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Do you support the war against Iraq?

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Do you support the war against Iraq?

Yes, I do support it. I think it's necessary.
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No, I simply go against it.
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I have no opinion. It doesn't bother me at all.
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Total votes : 32

Postby leen@rasel » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:28 am

its our land remember...and they stole it from us ,we agree that they have the right to stay but with out killing .... and it is obvious that they won't back off until they kill all palistenese people and control all palastinese lands...O.k ...i'm just making things clear don't misunderstand me ....O.k
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Postby Danyet » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:19 am

If you want to make things clear. Maybe you could tell me the name of the last recognized country to stand where Israel is now. You see according to historical records Arab people have never actually had a country there.

The last country to exist on the soil where Israel is now was the Jewish state of Israel which was overthrown by Romans in 70 AD. THe Romans were so mad at the Jews that they renamed the land in honour of Israels' arch enemy the Philistines, "Palestine".

At the time of the Balflour Declaration after World War I the Jewish remnant and the Arabs who lived there lived relatively peaceably with no formal government.

So as you can see there never was an Arab country there. Only squabbling war lords who would control the area from time to time. And always a Jewish presence there. There never was as many Palestinians as there are now in Israel. 100's of thousands were expelled out of Trans-Jordan and went to Israel. I think that was in the 1950's.

So they never stole this land from you because you never had it. It is Arabs who attacked the Jews in 1948. 6 Arab countries ganged up on her but they were defeated by a handfull of Jews with no help from England or America. Israel is quite willing to let you live with them but it is Arabs who refuse the offer and try to kill innocent women and children in shopping malls, pizza parlours and on busses. It is Arabs who kill Jews because they want Israel to go away.

But Arabs don't want a Jewish state because they only want Muslims to live there. They don't want the Jews to have their homeland back as provided for and agreed to by The Leauge Of Nations. Curiously I wonder if perhaps the fact that Arabs generally allied with the Nazi's in World War II has something to do with this.
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Postby juhainah » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:31 am

Let me comment on what you have said. It is the U.S.A which controls the historical records so this is why you see this country stated as Israel and not Palestine though it is PALESTINE whether the U.S.A accepts it or not. This is the truth. How come they falsify this truth.
It is not the case who are the last ones who exist on the soil. Nobody can deny that Jews are invaders and the obvious evidence that proves that they have no country in the world is that you can find them everywhere with different nationalities and cultures. Plus, if they were overthrown by Romans, what can we do with them? Arabs are not responsible for that. They had to have contracts with Romans. In addition to that, it doesn't make sense to have those weird people beside Arabs. They are completely different, so why do they insist on settling in Palestine?. You said something that proves that this land is not their land. You said that Jews don't have any problems to have Palestinians living beside them. They actaully don't have any problems with this because they know that they are invaders. Don't talk about something that has no relation with this case. Nazi's movement is something and Palestinian case is something else.
danyet wrote:If you want to make things clear. Maybe you could tell me the name of the last recognized country to stand where Israel is now. You see according to historical records Arab people have never actually had a country there.

The last country to exist on the soil where Israel is now was the Jewish state of Israel which was overthrown by Romans in 70 AD. THe Romans were so mad at the Jews that they renamed the land in honour of Israels' arch enemy the Philistines, "Palestine".

At the time of the Balflour Declaration after World War I the Jewish remnant and the Arabs who lived there lived relatively peaceably with no formal government.

So as you can see there never was an Arab country there. Only squabbling war lords who would control the area from time to time. And always a Jewish presence there. There never was as many Palestinians as there are now in Israel. 100's of thousands were expelled out of Trans-Jordan and went to Israel. I think that was in the 1950's.

So they never stole this land from you because you never had it. It is Arabs who attacked the Jews in 1948. 6 Arab countries ganged up on her but they were defeated by a handfull of Jews with no help from England or America. Israel is quite willing to let you live with them but it is Arabs who refuse the offer and try to kill innocent women and children in shopping malls, pizza parlours and on busses. It is Arabs who kill Jews because they want Israel to go away.

But Arabs don't want a Jewish state because they only want Muslims to live there. They don't want the Jews to have their homeland back as provided for and agreed to by The Leauge Of Nations. Curiously I wonder if perhaps the fact that Arabs generally allied with the Nazi's in World War II has something to do with this.
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Postby Dixie » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:40 pm

Who the hell is voting YES?
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Postby RedRose » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:58 pm

Dixie wrote:Who the hell is voting YES?


he must be an extreme idiot.
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Postby RedRose » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:07 pm

frengo wrote:Starting from Corea in the fifties, USA has never stopped to make a complete hash every time they have tried to "solve" some other nation's problems... I think they are just bunglers!


when USA robs money or oil or some other valuables from other countries, American leaders always say that we are trying to solve some problems of other countries. I wonder why US can lie so cheekily? when a person or a country is cheeky enough, he/it can do anything, such as the war against Iraq.....
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Postby Danyet » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:58 pm

juhainah wrote:Let me comment on what you have said. It is the U.S.A which controls the historical records so this is why you see this country stated as Israel and not Palestine though it is PALESTINE whether the U.S.A accepts it or not. This is the truth. How come they falsify this truth.

It is just silly to say that USA controls what is written in history. Perhaps it is your teachers in UAE that have misled you.

juhainah wrote:It is not the case who are the last ones who exist on the soil.

Then give me the name of the country complete with government.

juhainah wrote:Nobody can deny that Jews are invaders and the obvious evidence that proves that they have no country in the world is that you can find them everywhere with different nationalities and cultures.

There has also been Jews living in Palestine since the time of their formal Government in 70 AD. The reason that they can be be found everywhere is because they have been persecuted by the whole world. The world should be ashamed of their treatment of these people.


juhainah wrote: Plus, if they were overthrown by Romans, what can we do with them? Arabs are not responsible for that.

I did not say that Arabs were responsible. I am saying here is that Palestineans have nothing to do with the naming of the land where Israel stands. It was Romans who named the state of Israel "Palestine" meant as an insult, sometime during their occupation of Israel. Therefore just calling yourself "Palestinean" doesn't mean that you had a country there.

juhainah wrote: it doesn't make sense to have those weird people beside Arabs. They are completely different,

Firstly that sounds a little racist but I understand what you are saying. The Israelites have always been "completely different" to those that lived around them. That was the whole point of their society. 3000 years ago Israel was the most enlightened and civilized country around. The rest of the Middle East was barbaric and brutal.

juhainah wrote: so why do they insist on settling in Palestine?.

Because it is their traditional homeland and they have nowhere else to go. They have been kicked around the world by heartless people for centuries. Romans, Greeks, Babylonians (Iraq), Persians, Egyptians, Syrians, Nazis, Christians and Muslims. You can't find it in your heart to let them live in peace either, can you? Arabs have 22 countries and Israel is just a tiny strip of land that has not been much more than Bedouin camps for 1900 years.

juhainah wrote: Nazi's movement is something and Palestinian case is something else.
I bring it up because Arabs supported Hitler so it is no wonder they hate Jews.
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Postby Shazzam » Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:23 pm

This is a simple response! I don't support WAR in any shape or form. I would have hoped that we had learned after past WARS that nothing is gained from it.
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Postby Dixie » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:25 am

shazzam1452 wrote:I would have hoped that we had learned after past WARS that nothing is gained from it.


Contrary to what we want to believe, humans are the simplest animals... :( We never learn!
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Postby frengo » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:10 am

Dixie wrote:Who the hell is voting YES?


Come on, Dixie, if you read the posts you will find him easily...
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