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Postby MissLT » Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:26 pm

spointo wrote:i think japanese people of today ARE trying to mend the ways of the past but other countries are not letting them repair the damage so easily. please, don't forget also that many crimes were commited against japan and it's people also...crimes they too are still paying for. this doesn't make anything right of course ok!
everybody has been hurt from the past, in 1 way or another. discrimination is still everywhere, even in this day and age.

I live and work in Japan right now (I'm from Australia by the way) and I know that many many many people don't fully and 100% understand the situations some of you guys are talking about. If the Japanese people (not the japanese Government) were given the chance I think you would find them to be warm, honest, regretful, curious, welcoming and interested in other cultures.

I do Graphic Design here in Japan...I work with some very open minded and clever people...I meet many people who study English or want to study English...and when I ask them WHY? They all say..."because I want to talk to many people from all over the world!"

Please be careful not to mistake the actions and views of the Governments in ALL your countries to be the same view of the people also...this is what leads to conflict...it's a simple misunderstanding.

Exactly!
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Postby justinlan » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:32 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
justinlan wrote: :arrow: en....as far as I know,the government doesn't apologize formally.Maybe i have ignored some news :oops: ,..even they have apologized orally.they didn't show their sincerity!Their behaviors defied those violated contries, which really made people around mad.

Well, they said they did it, and they said Chinese government did not wanna take it. Chinese government said Japanese government was not sincere enough with their apology. Even they apologized to the Chinese government, but to Chinese government they just did it to calm people down and erase the past, not because they felt sorry for their acts or what they did was totally wrong.

And now you said this bold part... So I guess I was right that when you hated someone, normally you wouldn't buy an apology from them. I'm not judging that the Chinese governmen didn't take the apology from Japanese government is wrong. Well, I'm like that; I know I wouldn't if I was them. People can apologize to me because they have to if they do something wrong to me, but I will not trust them. I never will.

justinlan wrote: And one point i want to explan :wink: ,i don't mean all the japanese and the youth are wrong,I mean the government reflects the most people's consciousness,so i deem that there are a number of people and the youth continue to the worng road...

People are brainwashed in one way or another. We know wars are wrong, but we still go to wars because of patriotism. We feel like it's our job to defend our country even if it means we have to kill others. We think that, "Well, if I don't kill them; I'll get killed. Thus, I'll just defend myself from getting killed." And what do we know.... wars happen!

It's the same for Japanese people. Even if the young generation think what they did in WWI an II was wrong, but I bet you they would do it again to defend their country. What we need to do is tell them what they did was not a patriotic act; it was inhumane. Give them faith and tell them why they shouldn't defend their country in such acts like their grandpas did.

:wink: I agree with your views in some extent.,I think human can find a balanceable piont at last.Or,human would dog eat dog and go to perdition~~~
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Postby spointo » Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:54 am

having an opinion and voicing it is a very important thing...

however, all i see through this thread are people who don't have ALL the facts and people doing a lot more complaining about things rather than offering solutions on how to fix these problems...

japan has been giving aid and relief and help in the form of money and people to china and korea for many many years now! did you know that? I guess not!

china and korea don't want to accept the apology from japan because they will loose their precious and important aid money they receive. did you know that also? Probably not!

You're all talking about how Japan needs to do more...well...
when there is a world disaster they are 1 of the first countries in the world to send people to help. They are also 1 of the first countries to send people to help rebuild and keep peace. They are 1 of the only countries who see the job they start through to the end.

When a tragedy occurs in japan like typhoons, volcanoes and earthquakes, they don't get outside help and not many countries offer it. They manage it by themselves.

They are also 1 of the only countries that don't advertise this.
They are humble and modest and deeply regretful but as far as I can see it...they are 1 of the only countries doing something about mending these problems in the aim to move on!

There aren't too many countries out there doing the same thing...
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Postby MissLT » Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:08 pm

spointo wrote:japan has been giving aid and relief and help in the form of money and people to china and korea for many many years now! did you know that? I guess not!

china and korea don't want to accept the apology from japan because they will loose their precious and important aid money they receive. did you know that also? Probably not!

They do? :shock:
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Postby spointo » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:30 am

yep they sure do...not only money but infrastructure and systems also.
http://www.jica.go.jp/english/publicati ... /china.pdf

i have many more such documents outlining and explaining the work that HAS been done and will continue to go on.

do a quick search through unckle google and I'm sure you'll find more...they're not hard to find!
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Postby Unknownsu » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:16 am

spointo wrote:i think japanese people of today ARE trying to mend the ways of the past but other countries are not letting them repair the damage so easily. please, don't forget also that many crimes were commited against japan and it's people also...crimes they too are still paying for. this doesn't make anything right of course ok!
everybody has been hurt from the past, in 1 way or another. discrimination is still everywhere, even in this day and age.

I live and work in Japan right now (I'm from Australia by the way) and I know that many many many people don't fully and 100% understand the situations some of you guys are talking about. If the Japanese people (not the japanese Government) were given the chance I think you would find them to be warm, honest, regretful, curious, welcoming and interested in other cultures.

I do Graphic Design here in Japan...I work with some very open minded and clever people...I meet many people who study English or want to study English...and when I ask them WHY? They all say..."because I want to talk to many people from all over the world!"

Please be careful not to mistake the actions and views of the Governments in ALL your countries to be the same view of the people also...this is what leads to conflict...it's a simple misunderstanding.


The thing is, it is the country's government that speaks for the people so you can't really blame the evident hostility hovering around this subject. I have always known that the Japanese people tend to be extremely friendly and courteous, more so than the Chinese, I'm afraid.
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Postby justinlan » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:56 pm

sky888walker wrote:Well, I dont have any further comment about japanese. As all of you may have read in any history books, they have done very evil things in many asian countries, including my country (although i dont have to say from which country i am coming from). I think two things are missing here. They should have known that they had made many people suffered. They should have known that they had slaughtered people. They should have known that they would never be able to change the history.

First, they should have expressed their sincere apologies to all asian nations. Not only by words but also by actions. I have noted that on many occassions, the prime minister of japan, on behalf of his nation, was expressing japan's regrets. However, one thing is missing here. Those were just words; which disappeared in thin air. No real contributions.

Second, they are trying to cover the truth of war. If they are really upholding honor and dignity, they should be able to admit all mistakes. No matter how bad these mistakes were. Mistakes are mistakes. A blood stain on a white cloth can never be erased. They should have admitted it and should not cover it. They started the war very bravely but when it comes to an end, where is their courage ?? Why can they admit these mistakes as bravely as when they started the war ??

I know that it's very human to cover all mistakes but here we are talking about honor and we are talking about one nation; which claimed to be a great nation. My question remains... where is their courage ??


Right!!!I do agree with you!!!Japanese government attempt to juggle history,their schoolbooks have been edited by japanese government to beautify those evil wars which they imposed to asian people . A great nation should recognize their past if they want to show their sincerity ,but not to cover and distort the history!
So how do Japanese get the understanding of those victims?UM.....We shold know,all the nation should faces the history sincerely.and against some stupid actions(like juggle history by editing schoolbooks) of Japanese government strongly.
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Postby justinlan » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:07 pm

spointo wrote:having an opinion and voicing it is a very important thing...

however, all i see through this thread are people who don't have ALL the facts and people doing a lot more complaining about things rather than offering solutions on how to fix these problems...

japan has been giving aid and relief and help in the form of money and people to china and korea for many many years now! did you know that? I guess not!

china and korea don't want to accept the apology from japan because they will loose their precious and important aid money they receive. did you know that also? Probably not!

You're all talking about how Japan needs to do more...well...
when there is a world disaster they are 1 of the first countries in the world to send people to help. They are also 1 of the first countries to send people to help rebuild and keep peace. They are 1 of the only countries who see the job they start through to the end.

When a tragedy occurs in japan like typhoons, volcanoes and earthquakes, they don't get outside help and not many countries offer it. They manage it by themselves.

They are also 1 of the only countries that don't advertise this.
They are humble and modest and deeply regretful but as far as I can see it...they are 1 of the only countries doing something about mending these problems in the aim to move on!

There aren't too many countries out there doing the same thing...


Maybe Japan is the only 1 country to beautify the evil wars and tamper the history.For more detaisl,you can search "Japanese schoolbooks event(sorry,I don't know whether the expression of "schoolbooks event"is right or not,my English is poor)" :?
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Postby MissLT » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:09 pm

justinlan wrote: Maybe Japan is the only 1 country to beautify the evil wars and tamper the history.For more detaisl,you can search "Japanese schoolbooks event(sorry,I don't know whether the expression of "schoolbooks event"is right or not,my English is poor)" :?

Read the last pages. Japan not the only country does this. Other countries hide the truth as well. It's a history of winners and losers. There is no truth in life. If we could find the truth in life, we ain't this suffering. And yet here we are...
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Postby justinlan » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:01 am

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