banning gay marriages?

[lennye_tran]

Gay people have been coming out of their closets, but do people accept them for who they are? Do people respect the fact that they have the same rights as others? Let's take the issue of banning gay marriages is an example. Is that act justified? Is marriage really only a legally union between a woman and a man? Would it affect anything to the well-beings of children? Their future??......................
WHAT DO YOU THINK? SHOULD IT BE OR SHOULDN'T IT BE?

[DaveJavu]

Marriage began as a business deal and the woman was considered property. It has evolved for centuries without the help of the US and will continue to evolve. Let it evolve.

[lennye_tran]

Marriage began as a business deal and the woman was considered property. It has evolved for centuries without the help of the US and will continue to evolve. Let it evolve.

Without the help of the US? What's it supposed to mean? Did a marriage in US begin like that, a business between the man and the woman's family? And women are no longer being sold? Vietnamese women are being sold to other countries for money, especially Taiwan. Has it "evolved"?

[DaveJavu]

It means that marriage does not need to be legislated by politicians who just want the American people to forget about their failed policies. They're just using marriage as an election issue.

I said that marriage has evolved. Has it evolved to a perfect place. No. Are people still sold? Yes. Do most people marry for love. Yes. Is it wrong to deny marriage to two people that love each other? Yes

[lennye_tran]

It means that marriage does not need to be legislated by politicians who just want the American people to forget about their failed policies. They're just using marriage as an election issue.

Are you talking about Bush here? That's him only. He wants the Congress to make new admendment, which, will ban gay marriages. He thinks it's immoral and he uses that to get votes from people who are against this such kinda thing. He knows he will go down for the next term so that's his dirty work to get his votes, since, only five states allow gay marriages, the rest don't.
Gay marriages have been an issue for a long time, not only around this election time. Bush uses it because the mayor of San Francisco allowed gay people to get married. It raised a hatred throughout the nation. People in another states even came to San Francisco asking to stop it. They think it's against God's will. He sees that and he thinks it's good to use it. Quoted the CNN news, "The Vatican has launched a global campaign against gay marriages, warning Catholic politicians that support of same-sex unions is "gravely immoral."
Thus, Bush brings it up to remind people who believe in God that if they support it, it means they're against God. For people who don't believe in God but are conservative, it's time for them to end what they think is immoral. An example I can make is my family. Most of them don't think people should allow gays to get married. They think gays are out closet is enough. Now they want to get married, too? This is what my mom said when she was listening to the news,
"This country is getting crazy. People have so much rights, but they still ask for more. This is time to end this madness. Gosh, look at them queers. No wonder others say this country is crazy."
This is what my cousins in Vietnam said when they heard the news,
"America has too much freedom, even which they shouldn't have. They like to do everything although it's immoral and unethical"
They are the conservative ones and the idea of two gay people gives them goosebumps. They're not alone. There are so many people like that out there. (especially Asians)
In overall, Bush uses this to get his votes and it attracts people because that's the long-time issue they've been wanting to end for all--haters, non-haters, conservatives, open-mindeds, anyone...

[DaveJavu]

Do you actually think that Bush thinks for himself? He is a pawn of the Republican Party and he does what he's told. The Republican Party needs a divisive issue to anger voters and they've chosen gay marriage.

[lennye_tran]

That's what I meant. We need more than 2/3 of the votes in Congress to make an admendment and they haven't won yet.

[hung]

Same sex marriage is one of the largest issues in some recent years in the Us. There are many ideas about this and most oppose. So why havent you put and end to it?
Mister Bush has brought this issue to some Congressional meetings ( Mr. Bill Clinton also had done before). He said same sex marriage would have weaken the influence of society and it should be banned. I totally agree with him and I think you also should get rid of what are called civil unions. These hooyes only make everything go bad to worse.
As regards the action of Mister Bush, I have no idea but I think the end justices the means.

[lennye_tran]

To Hung,
1. What you think and what consevative or religious people think doesn't represent the whole idea of this nation. Marriage is a human right, not heteros privilege. It was more of a religious thing back then, but the meaning of its is slightly changed now. If it still is, then people who don't believe in religions can't have a meaningful marriage?!?!?!?!??! The majority is NOT always right. If they are, what about people back then who thought blacks were meant to be slaves? Were they right?
2.There are so many ideas about this whole thing and NOT all of them agaisnt it. Don't throw all whom you know are against this together and make it sound like all are agaisnt it. The minority group of people is small, but they're there. Their voices have to be heard. They're as human as you are so don't think of them as objects and reject their thoughts.
3. Baby Bush is not supposed to bring this to Congress or the election. He doesn't wanna make an end to this and he doesn't wanna lose the election. That's why he's brought this issue up. He should know whatever state decides something is up to that state. Some states are agaisnt this, up to them. Some states are not, good for them. That's how it should be done and it's been done like that.

[hung]

Hi lennye_tran
I am sorry for such a triffling discussion. We did not see eye to eye on this problem and maybe forever. The outlook of you and mine are completely different.
You might be right but you should know that: the voice of the minority, of course, always is respected in any society, but we still have to do for expectance of the majority. That are the two sides of a problem, we cannot gratify both, Ok?
PS: I will be really terribly sorry you if you are a lesbian (I hope you are not and shouldnt consider this as an insult words).
Yours.