shokin wrote:For bilinguism, it is false, as in Quebe, as in Switzerland. Bilinguism is an illusion.
Are the Catalan people, are you determinated to be(come) a country, a nation ?
if yes, how do you act to achieve this common goal to the end ? how can you politically be recognized ?
shokin wrote:"self-hatred" ? why ? aren't they proud of their own culture ?
Tell me about los partidos politicos en España, y en la Catalunya.
Isn't there a party, whose the goal is the sovereignty of the Catalonia ?
Who is the first ministre of the Catalunya ?
Dixie wrote:Self-hatred, for instace, because everytime they meet someone who doesn't address to them in Catalan, they speak to them in Spanish (you know, "we are in Spain", "let's be polite" and all that bunch of nonsense that makes them abandon their own language and adopt the other one).
Politic parties? Well in Spain there are PSOE (Workers Socialist Spanish Party), PP (Popular Party, and let me tell you, they worship Franco and all related to fascism; they hate everything related to Catalonia or the Catalan countries, starting from our language; this party should be penalized, and yet they are one of the most powerful nowadays), and other minor parties. In Catalunya we have the same, and also ERC (left-wing Republican party of Catalunya), who claims for our sovereignty and defends the use of our language in the Spanish Parliament and so on (they're my favorite) and other minor parties too.
The prime minister? Well you mean the president, I guess. His name is Pasqual Maragall, he belongs to the PSC (Catalan version of PSOE, still the same party).
shokin wrote:You, who believe in your culture, should encourage your discouraged compatriots to speak catalan, even with non-catalan people. "You are in Catalunya, you have to learn and speak Catalan !" like in any country. The respect of your own culture is more important than the laziness of others people, it is necessary for preserving your own culture. Face to an non-catalan Spanish, face to a tourist, face to an immigrant.
shokin wrote:Hola, com estàs?
Estic be, gràcies. I tu ?
Estic be. Com et dius ?
Em dic Joan. I tu ?
Em dic Antoni.
Adéu Antoni !
Adéu Joan !
shokin wrote:I hope that he, Pasqual Maragall, is active in promoving and preserving the catalan culture.
Let you all act with the ERC !
Can you separate the true from the false in this next text :
"In primary education 81% of the language used is catalan. this ensures that people know the language thus preserving it. interestingly, if we move up in the educational scale we find that once we reach the vocational level the use of catalan decreases to about 48% while 51% is entirely bilingual. while catalonians may well select to speak mostly in catalan in their daily activities they are largely bilingual. "
"catalan is spoken by 6,000,000 million people in catalonia and other enclaves around europe. however, it is not a language of interest to foreigners because it is too restrictive. while it is evident that learning english, spanish, french bring a large exposure to many countries around the world, what exactly is the benefit of learning catalan or dutch unless you live there? other than an academic exercise there is very little benefit. now, quebec is not in europe. it is surrounded, influenced and its well-being depends on the north american continent which happens to be anglo. I would think that intelligent politicians in quebec would want to pursue a policy at home to protect language and culture, make them appealing to the rest of the continent, and embrace their situation as unique instead of becoming offensive to the abglo mass that they so badly need for their own survival. this is where I see the separatists position as not productive or of benefit in the long term."
Dixie wrote:The next bold part is funny: "It is not a language of interest to foreigners". Well, let me tell you that most students of Catalan are foreigners. And by foreigners I mean people from other coutries who are interested in learning the language in order to be able to use it in daily life.
Dixie wrote:In college, an Australian professor told us that he could speak Catalan fluently, but he couldn't use it in the street, because when he went into a shop, the clerks, seeing he was a foreigner, addressed him in Spanish. My professor was so disappointed he couldn't use Catalan in Catalonia because of the "auto-hatred" I mentioned in a previous message.
Dixie wrote:Oh, and I forgot I've got a Dutch student! She's in her forties, and she's been living here for about 20 years. Her Catalan is excellent! And now she's studying more in order to improve it.
shokin wrote:I am not sure that "self-hatred" is the only one reason why some people prefer speak not their own language in their own land. Some may want to speak the language of the immigrant/tourist. I am not sure that Catalan people hate their own language.
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