Spanish Judge bans Catalan Ad

[shokin]

Va cacare ! say Italians.

Badly... many people use the same abreviation in french... AMHA : A mon humble avis.

Shokin

[Alfabeto]

OK since you provided your list, I'm giving you mine. It's a couple of links and I think they are in Spanish or Catalan, and I've got a whole list too, but I have to translate it and I have no time now. Ask me if you're interested and I'll translate it for you.

I read the first one, but I don't see how it helps a reasoned argument. I have read and seen Americans from the Northern States engage in Southern-bashing (you can imagine in what terms they referred to people from Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, etc) but that only proves that prejudice exists within the same country. Those are appeals to emotion, not reason ("they hate us, so we should go our separate ways" and that kind of thing).

I was going to remind you of the 1978 Spanish Constitution which was ratified via referendum by the majority of Catalans on Dec. 6 of that year, a Constituition drafted, among others, by two Catalans (Mr. Roca Junyent and Mr. Solé Tura) and which affirms the national unity of Spain. But I read this morning that the new forum rules prohibit discussion of politics and religion, so I'll stop. Maybe it's better this way, since our ideas are so diametrically opposed that we would only manage to irritate each other.

[Dixie]

I doubt it, in fact I like you after all Thanks for your participation. Yes I was thinking about this thread when Josef said no discussion about politics... Anyway it's been a pleasure

[Rui]

well, i was really enjoying this discussion, because as Dixie knows its one of the things i cant understand in spain, specially when we are talking about a country that has grown a lot lately given to everybody a good quality of life, in my opinion spain should remain together to be stronger, this is my opinion, however i dont have the same informations as you both have, so thats why i was enjoying so much, not forgetting the high quality of your English, which is another reason added to keep following this thread

[ilargia]

I agree with you Rui. It has been a good discussion. Not only their English is really brilliant but also I am impressed by their knowledge of History and laws.They are two intelligent persons.
But I need to listen to people who has the capacity of showing empathy with other feelings. As you know, I´m from Basque Country and, in my case, to defend my language, my country or, in fact, my feelings is considered, in many cases, a problem which must be punished by the law.

[Dixie]

As you know, I´m from Basque Country and, in my case, to defend my language, my country or, in fact, my feelings is considered, in many cases, a problem which must be punished by the law.

I'm really interested about this issue. Why don't you post a new thread about the language situation in the Basque Country, Ilargia?

[ilargia]

The Basques have been fighting to protect their language and culture for thousands of years.
No one knows where we came from. Our language, known as Euskera, has no clear links with any other known language in the rest of Europe.
Nowadays, many schools in the region use Basque as the primary language of education. Over 90% of Basque children are now enrolled in Basque-language schools. However, in Navarre, Basque has been declared an endangered language by the conservative government.
The promotion of Basque has caused protests by those who defend that monolingual Spanish speakers could be left as second-class citizens. However, Spanish is today essential for everyday life, while Basque language is still in the minority.
Euskera also lost ground because large numbers of Spanish-speaking immigrants began arriving to work in the industrialized region. During the dictatorship of Franco, we were even punished for speaking Euskera at school.
Some non-Basque Spaniards speak about what they see as an obscure small language, but for the Basques, it is a question of identity.
I consider that the preservation of a language involves the conservation of the group that speaks it. But we need voluntary efforts such as linguistic immersion methods at schools and free political options.

[Dixie]

The Basques have been fighting to protect their language and culture for thousands of years.
No one knows where we came from. Our language, known as Euskera, has no clear links with any other known language in the rest of Europe.
Nowadays, many schools in the region use Basque as the primary language of education. Over 90% of Basque children are now enrolled in Basque-language schools. However, in Navarre, Basque has been declared an endangered language by the conservative government.
The promotion of Basque has caused protests by those who defend that monolingual Spanish speakers could be left as second-class citizens. However, Spanish is today essential for everyday life, while Basque language is still in the minority.
Euskera also lost ground because large numbers of Spanish-speaking immigrants began arriving to work in the industrialized region. During the dictatorship of Franco, we were even punished for speaking Euskera at school.
Some non-Basque Spaniards speak about what they see as an obscure small language, but for the Basques, it is a question of identity.
I consider that the preservation of a language involves the conservation of the group that speaks it. But we need voluntary efforts such as linguistic immersion methods at schools and free political options.

Same here. Although it strikes me that people were punished when they spoke Basque in school. Wasn't Basque forbidden during Franco's dictatorship, as well as in the Catalan lands? I mean, people were not punished if they spoke Catalan in school - Catalan was literally banned from any public institution. People could only speak their mother tongue at home - not even in the street.

I think we need a different thread now

[ilargia]

Sorry for introducing personal events but we knew, at least, how to speak in Spanish but my grandparents didn´t know it and they only could speak in their own language at home. In one ocasion they were arrested for whispering in Basque in the city (Bilbao).
It´s difficult to forget it.

[Dixie]

I know, dear. Too many horrible things happened during those years. Have you recently seen the movie Salvador? If not, I strongly recommend it to you. I loved the movie, it portrayed society as it was during the 70s and it is based on real events. I think we need more films like that one, so people open their eyes to what WAS their own country.