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Postby MissLT » Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:44 am

louvicine wrote:
Lenin Train wrote: Give me a month and I'll come back to discuss it with you .


Why a month, you must to discuss now, or maybe you nee instructions?????? :shock: :shock: :shock:

PS: IN MY CASE IS NOT ANTI MUSLIM FEELING, IS ANTI FANATISM FEELLING ABOUT ALL RELIGIONS

I have to read his two long articles first before I could actually debate my perspective, and right now I'm not in a mood of reading them. I have four books to read, three essays to write, and bunch of homework to do for school. There is no time for me to put time for this discussion. Maybe next month or a month after that I'll discuss it with you guys.
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Postby Danyet » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:57 pm

Jihad in Small Town America:Part 3 of a Series



"The extremists have taken over so many of our mosques, one mosque at a time. They have driven out those who disagree with their ideology." Those are the words of Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed, a respected faculty member at a university not far from Atlanta, Georgia. Dr. Mohamed is a proud and brave man, but he is also quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate. At the onset of this interview, he made it clear that he fears retaliation in response to the information he is providing, especially possible during the trip to Cairo he has scheduled for this summer.

Dr. Mohamed is a graduate of Ain Shams University in Cairo, and has been in this country since the mid-1970's. He is proud of his U.S. citizenship. "When I came to this country, it was everyone’s dream in Egypt to go live in America. Everyone loved Americans. Now when I go back to my home country, I do not advertise that I am an American."

He is quite concerned that this interview will cause him to be marked as an apostate, and he fears retaliation, especially on his planned trip to Cairo this summer.

"In Egypt, everyone knew about the Muslim Brotherhood, but it was illegal. After the peace treaty with Israel, the radicals came crawling out of the darkness. But they weren’t idiots. They were very cunning," he explained.

Dr. Mohamed continued, "The US knew there was going to be a problem. They had problems in Iran with the Ayatullah, now they were afraid there would be problems in Egypt. Jimmy Carter and his people were going to reach the next generation of young men by giving them scholarships to come and study in America. They were going to teach them how great the US was. They recruited from universities in Egypt, Syria, Saudia, the Emirates – all the Arab countries."

Dr. Mohamed thinks part of the problem was the students themselves. "They [the students] didn’t have to be the smartest. Some were just average students. They didn't just come from Cairo and Alexandria, they came from Benha and Assuit and Mansoura and Gharbeya. Anyone who wanted to come to the US and go to graduate school could with a little bit of work, and get a fellowship."

He explained that the rural enclaves of Egypt, especially in places like Assuit and Benha, were known reservoirs of Islamic extremism, even back in the 1980’s.

"The US paid their tuition to go to universities all over the country, and paid them living expenses – around 500 U.S. Dollars per month. You have to understand that was a great deal of money to these men, especially the men from Egypt. Most had been working in an Egyptian university or a public sector job, and they were making less that $50 a month. This is in 1980 money. Much of that $500 a month went to support Bin Laden in Afghanistan, with the blessing of the US," continued Dr. Mohamed.

According to Dr. Mohamed, the US inadvertently bankrolled a generation of sleeper agents, educating them, and helping them to become established, respected members of their communities. Many married American women, believing that marriage to an American allowed them to remain in the US. And for many, the two year home country residence requirement was a simple formality. Some took their new wives back to their homelands, remained for two years, and came back to the US. Others found loopholes in the law, or managed to get exceptions to the requirement.

"Go look at your newspaper. The US reported that they have a man in prison in Iraq, a man from Jordan, a man who is one of Al Zarqawi's assistants. They say he came to the US, took US citizenship, and lived in the US for over 20 years. How do you think he came to the US? Most likely he came to the US as a student. He probably came to the US to study, maybe paid for by the US, maybe paid for by Jordan. Most likely he married an American girl, got a degree in Engineering, maybe a masters or a doctorate. Or maybe he got lucky and won the visa lottery. Those are the two main ways to get into America and usually it is as a student. They say he lived here for 20 years so he had to have a job, or maybe he started a small business."

Dr. Mohamed shook his finger at me, as though lecturing a small child. "There are many like him here. He is not the only one."

"Before the 1980's, before Camp David and the ensuing Arab appeasement, there weren't nearly as many mosques as you see now. We met in a classroom or a meeting room at the university, or at someone's home. Then the mosques started going up. They started small. Many started as a simple rented house. Then in a year or two they had the money to buy the land, and buy a building. Where did the money come from? Not the students. The students sent their zakah to Afghanistan. The money came from the governments. From Saudia [Saudi Arabia], from foundations that were set up by the Saudis."

"Who ran the foundations, who decided where the money went? The religious men, the ones serious about Islam."

But according to Dr. Mohamed, they weren’t just serious about Islam. Many were Wahabi Muslims, of the same sect as Osama Bin Laden. And it is these mosques that formed the core of the Islamic terror network that currently sleeps underground in America.

"We were very excited to have a mosque to pray in. As Muslims we are required to attend the Jumu’ah (Friday) prayer services. We believe that the reward for group prayer is 27 times that of saying the prayers individually, so having a mosque where we can assemble to say the prayers is something we were very happy about."

But divisions emerged, mostly regarding politics, according to Dr. Mohamed. "I prefer that politics and religion be kept separate, the way it is done here in America by your government. The separation of church and state is a good thing. Over the years the mosque became political."

Dr. Mohamed explained that at first, the political sermons were against Israel. Most Muslims were sympathetic to the Palestinian issue, and were largely unified against Israeli actions. Still, a few Muslims withdrew from the mosque community, but by and large the group remained together.

"First we got our own building. Then soon we needed a full-time Imam, someone who could lead the prayers and lead the community."

Dr. Mohamed explained that full-time imams have usually received advance education, maybe a doctorate or masters degree, in Islamic studies. And therein was a problem. Many of these imams have been educated in universities and schools surrounding conservative mosques like the Grand Mosque in Mecca. The Imams brought with them the ideology of Wahabi Islam.

And with the first Gulf War, the political divisions within the mosque intensified. As the decade of the nineties progressed, the sermons became more and more radical, says Dr. Mohamed. "Eventually it reached the point, after Bin Laden bombed the embassies in Africa, where I stopped going to the mosque. Anyone with eyes could see what was happening. I didn’t want to be connected to that. I love America. But there were so many people in the mosque that hated America. They are still there. Those of us who love this country don’t go to the mosque anymore."

Has he tried other mosques? Dr. Ibrahim admitted that he had tried several others, in the Atlanta area, and had not found one where he was confortable.

I asked how he handles the mandatory Friday congregational prayers? "Several of us get together at our homes, or in our offices at the university, or in a classroom and pray," he explained.

"You think there are no terror cells in America? You think the FBI and the Homeland Security has caught them all? I wish they would but they don’t. There are cells from Islamic terror groups in every big city in this country."

I asked "What about Atlanta?"

Dr. Mohamed’s answer was chilling. "I am absolutely certain there are groups here in Atlanta. I do not know who they are or where they are. But I am sure they are here. Do you want to know why? Because Mohamed Atta came to Atlanta. Why did he come here? There are flight schools all over America. Why Atlanta? The only answer is he had friends here, he had some sort of support group here."

Dr. Mohamed claims that he expressed these concerns to the FBI and he was assured that the matter would be investigated. He admitted that because he didn’t have any information other than speculation that it was unlikely that they would be able to do anything about his suspicions.

*Note: The name Dr. Ibrahim Mohamed is a pseudonym used to protect the anonmity of the actual source. It is NOT his actual name.
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Postby ahmads » Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:53 am

frankly,I didn't read this topic very well,
I think you danyet one of following:
1- tool for typing :lol: :lol:
2- person hates all things and human special himself. :twisted:
3- Hitler II. :shock:
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Postby Dixie » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:21 am

ahmads wrote:frankly,I didn't read this topic very well,
I think you danyet one of following:
1- tool for typing :lol: :lol:
2- person hates all things and human special himself. :twisted:
3- Hitler II. :shock:


Hahaha, you say you didn't read it but then you give your conclusions :lol:
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Postby ahmads » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:43 pm

Dixie:
Hahaha, you say you didn't read it but then you give your conclusions

1-I said :I didn't read it very well :lol: 8)
2-there are many bad people and good people In anywhere..
for example:
there are a lot of racialism in Europa toward Arabic people and toward many people who are from out of Europa ,but I think
in Europa too there are many people don't like the racialism (like you) so I talk with you ...and the same thing in America ....and anywhere.. :idea:
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Postby Danyet » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:02 am

The last part.

Jihad in Small Town America: Part 4 of a Series



Vacation Bible School is a rite of summer throughout the American southeast. In the Bible Belt of the deep south, a couple of weeks after school lets out, the elementary school aged kids flock to their churches for a week of Bible Stories, crafts, and fun.

It’s changed a little since I was a child; some churches now schedule the sessions in the evenings to accommodate working parents. The curriculum has been jazzed up a little, and often they have themes like and even mascots. But for the most part, Vacation Bible School is still the same thing that many of us experienced as children.

For example. children at suburban Atlanta Peachtree Corners Baptist Church (where runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks was to have wed) will spend next week exploring a theme of “Ramblin’ Road Trip: Which Way Do I Go?”

You probably wouldn’t be surprised to hear that there is an Islamic equivalent.

I had the opportunity to spend an evening last week at one of these sessions, and I was amazed at what is being taught in this country to children between the ages of 5 and 10. The differences between a Vacation Bible School and the Islamic Summer Study Week were apparent from the moment I entered the door, starting with the dress code.

Kids at Vacation Bible School for the most part wear shorts, and t-shirts, although some of the girls wear cute little outfits from Gap Kids and Gymboree.

The youngsters at this Atlanta-area Islamic Center were required to wear Islamic dress, even though the air conditioning was only functioning at a minimal level and the temperature during the days rose into the high 80’s. The boys were clearly more comfortable that the girls; they wore navy pants, and white t-shirts or white polo shirts. Some of the boys wore longer, knee-length navy shorts.

The younger girls wore long navy pants, a long sleeve white cotton shirt, and a navy tunic. Even some of the youngest girls were wearing a white hijab (headscarf), although a hijab was optional for the girls until they reached the age of 10. Some of the older girls were wearing a long floor length skirt instead of long pants. According to the director, the girls who opted to wear pants were required to wear the knee-length sleeveless tunic over the pants and long sleeve white shirt so as to be dressed in a non-revealing manner.

I expressed surprise that the young girls especially were willing to wear the hijab, and the director suggested I ask some of the kids to explain their reasons.

Selwa, a cute little five year old with blonde curls escaping from under the headscarf to frame her face, told me “I like to wear it. My mommy wears it too.” I asked her what she liked about it. Her blue eyes were wide as she exclaimed “Cause then bad men won’t kidnap me and hurt me.”

Hosnia, who is 6 years old, explained in a very serious manner: “I’m Muslim. God says girls have to wear it.”

After a few more minutes of socializing while other students arrived, the rally began. The group filed into the large room where the rally was to be held. The boys were already sitting in rows on the floor near the front of the room. The girls sat in rows behind the men.

I asked the teacher who was sitting in front of me why the girls were at the rear, when the younger ones wouldn’t be able to see over the heads of the older boys without standing. Little Hosnia, who was sitting beside me, heard my question and whispered to me “we have to sit back here so the boys can’t look at our butts”. She burst out into giggles, but the teacher immediately told her to hush.

The director introduced the Imam from the mosque, who started the rally with a quotation from the Qu’ran in Arabic. The surah of the day, which would be the Islamic equivalent of the Bible Verse of the Day, Al Ikhlas. The imam translated the surah as:

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.

The Imam repeated it several times in Arabic, line by line, encouraging the children to repeat it with him. Shifting back into English, he told them that their task for the day was to memorize this 4-line surah.

He then began to explain the surah, and its importance. He told the children that this surah described the essence of Islam – that there is only one Allah, and that Allah has no children. Then, quite abruptly, he told the room full of children that this surah was what Muslims were dying for in Palestine, and Iraq, and Chechnya. He told them that the Christians were all doomed to eternal hell for the sin of “shirk”, or assigning partners or a son to God.

He ranted for around 10 minutes about the “kafirs” and how the ambition of these unbelievers used the name of Christ to work with the Zionists to kill all of the Muslims in the world.

Then, suddenly he shifted gears. He started discussing Jews and Zionists, explaining that they were the most hated creatures by Allah. He told the children that Allah in fact hated them so much that at one point he turned all the Jews into pigs and monkeys.

The focus shifted to politics again. The imam told the children to never forget the struggle of the Palestinians, who were only trying to regain their ancestral land, which has been their home for thousands of years. He told the story of Mohamed Durah, and explained to the audience how the 14 year old had been killed while “innocently going down the street with his father.” He emphasized that the killing was an unprovoked murder by the “Jewish sons of pigs and monkeys”. He reminded the children that the goal of every Christian and Jew was to kill every single Muslim, even the tiny babies.

The imam explained that although they are in America they have an obligation to help their fellow Muslims elsewhere in the world. He told the kids to save their quarters and dollars and bring them to the center each day, and at the end of the program they would send the donations to their Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine and Iraq.

At that point, he abruptly shifted back to the Surah of the Day. He offered several of the older boys the opportunity to recite the surah in front of the group.

Then he announced that the groups would go to their respective classes.

The classes were not coed; boys and girls were separated, even at the youngest ages. The classes were grouped according to age: Kindergarten and First Grade together, Second and Third Grade together, and Fourth and Fifth Grade together.

I chose to remain with the Kindergarten and First Grade class.

The teacher, Amina, was an American woman who grew up in South Georgia as a Southern Baptist named Tiffani. She married a Palestinian man while still in college at Georgia State University. She converted to Islam and dropped out of college when she got pregnant. She was now pregnant with her third child in as many years. Her husband had finished his graduate degree, and in three weeks she was returning with him to his home in the West Bank.

She explained to me that the first 45 minute session for the youngsters was to learn the phrase “Allah Akbar”. They started with a large coloring page with the words Allah Akbar written on it in Arabic. After they colored the page, they took turns reciting the phrase.

She told the kids how to determine when it was appropriate to shout “Allah Akbar”: intimes of great joy, when someone is martyred, or when the Zionists or Kafirs are attacked. She introduced a video, in Arabic, showing scenes from the West Bank, and told the kids to shout “Allah Akbar” when they thought they should.

The kids quickly got the message that when something blew up, or an Israeli soldier was shot that they should shout Allah Akbar. I expressed my concern to Tiffani about children so young being exposed to such violent scenes. Tiffani/Amina assured me that the kids had been watching similar videos since they were two years old, and that they weren’t disturbed in the slightest by them.

Playground time was next. The younger girls joined the older kids on the playground. Although the boys and girls shared the same playground, there was a clear but unmarked demarcation between the sexes. If one of the boys accidentally kicked a ball into the girls section, one of the girls or teachers tossed it back. The boys weren’t allowed to come into the girls section at all.

While the girls played chase and hopscotch and other typical children’s outdoor games, the boys were playing what appeared to be some sort of combination of cowboys and Indians and GI Joe.

I wandered over closer to get a better look.

Sure enough the boys were playing jihad. While I watched from the sidelines, the boys drew lots to see who would act as the American airplane. The loser had to pretend he was an American airplane flying around, and then the other boys pretended to attack it by throwing Nerf balls. The “airplane” fell to the ground, and the other boys pounced on it. The “airplane” turned into a pilot and the boys “captured” him. They stood him against a wall, and formed a pretend firing squad. Instead of toy guns, the boys used their multifunctional Nerf balls to execute their prisoner, all the while yelling “Allah Akbar”.

The male teachers, most of whom were in their twenties, stood over at the side of the playground talking to each other, not paying any attention to the activities in which their students were engaged.

I noticed one boy standing over not to far from where I was standing, holding a box against his face. He appeared to be watching the other boys intently. I asked him, in English, what he was doing.

His answer? “I’m the camera man. I’m taping them.”

After playground time ended, the kids filed back into their classrooms for a snack, and then returned to the assembly hall for a final assembly before their parents picked them up.

As I left, I reflected upon the morning’s events. I wondered how many of the parents knew what their children were being taught in these sessions.

Did the parents approve or disapprove?

How many of these children will be making headlines over the next decade?
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Postby Danyet » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:30 pm

November 22, 2005: Virginia man convicted for joining Al Qaeda and plotting assassination of US President

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, a 24-year old American Muslim from Virginia, was convicted today on charges that he joined Al Qaeda and plotted to assassinated US President George W. Bush.

Abu Ali, a valectorian of his graduating class at the DC area Islamic Saudi Academy, confessed to the plot while in custody in Saudi Arabia.
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