Canadians:their life and relationships

[shokin]

Quebecers defend their language, their culture, in the middle of english-speaking parts (globalization and absorption). It is totally legitime, face to the many people who learn only english.

There are a lot of others ways to defend your language , culture . The Quebecois are very well known for theirs attitude towards English language or english people ( certainly we can't generalize ) .
In the same way France does compared to English language .

Do you prefer that Quebecers accept english more than french ? they simply speak french.

NB : there are english-speaking Quebecers who have the attitude : "What ? you speak french ! you are a separatiiiiiiist !" and they suddenly take a closer attitude, when they know that you speak french.

There are Quebecers, like these ones, who use of many way to denigrate or to snob the french language, and to absorb it consciously and with good-will. It would be so simple that the whole part were only english-speaking. They represent a danger, a factor against the french, against the diversity of culture.

Quebecers don't hate the immigrant. They simply ask that what should be spontan : immigrants and tourists to learn the local language, the local culture.

Why should a tourist learn French ? I lost something , because it is very hard for me to understand this .

If too many people learn only english and not the local language, there is (already now) a globalization of this language, to the detriment of each local language. It is the same for US culture who is coming up everywhere. It does not take Papineau's head to learn it.

Moreover, when you speak english, you are not in real contact with the local culture (except if you are in an english-speaking region). English has to be, at most, a transitionnal language, not the final language, that you learn. And language is an important, a necessary vector of the culture.

M'enfin ! it is so easier to be taken in the imperium of globalization.

Shokin

[Danyet]

If you are searching for hatred, let you go to Ontario, there where many hate Quebecers.

Shokin

Why speak of Ontario? The Whole of Western Canada is sick of Quebec. Everything has to be printed in an Extra language even in places where no one has even heard a French word spoken.

[shokin]

French is an "extra language" ? english is better ? are people lazy ?

The personal cumfort before the good health of the society and of the nature in long-term ?

Are we living in a society of the immediaty ?

Shokin

[vince90]

I did mean the Quebec, not only the town Quebec.

Quebecers defend their language, their culture, in the middle of english-speaking parts (globalization and absorption). It is totally legitime, face to the many people who learn only english.

Quebec is very nice town !

Quebecers don't hate the immigrant. They simply ask that what should be spontan : immigrants and tourists to learn the local language, the local culture.

That is very hard thing to do for people who travel around the word. At least for me! For instance, if I want traveling to Japan I have to learn Japanese first, if I want traveling to Egypt I have to lean Egyptian first, if I want traveling to Russia I have to learn Russian first and so on.. I don’t think I am able to do it. I am not that smart to learn deterrent languages in a short time.

If you are searching for hatred, let you go to Ontario, there where many hate Quebecers.

It is not true. My brother and many friends of mine who live in Canada and most of them live in Ontario province never say that. Quebecers are the one who discriminate people who speak English.

Do you prefer that Quebecers accept english more than french ? they simply speak french.

No, the tourists do not prefer Quebecers accept English more than French and they don’t give a dam about it because they don’t live there. They just want to communicate during their time in Quebec.

NB : there are english-speaking Quebecers who have the attitude : "What ? you speak french ! you are a separatiiiiiiist !" and they suddenly take a closer attitude, when they know that you speak french.

Yes they are. They ignored me when I asked for the information. If I can speak French then I don’t mind speaking French with them, however they do speak English, why don't they speak English with me?

[Danyet]

I think it all stems from the fact that there are still people who refuse to realize that the British kicked Frances' butt and Canada became part of the Commonwealth. The funny thing is the French problem in Canada seems to have become worse in the last 30 years, You would think that after 200 years of being British subjects they would have given up trying to speak French!

[shokin]

That is very hard thing to do for people who travel around the word. At least for me! For instance, if I want traveling to Japan I have to learn Japanese first, if I want traveling to Egypt I have to lean Egyptian first, if I want traveling to Russia I have to learn Russian first and so on.. I don’t think I am able to do it. I am not that smart to learn deterrent languages in a short time.

But you can learn more than only english. You are not asked to speak perfectly each language, at least to be able to talk.

If you are searching for hatred, let you go to Ontario, there where many hate Quebecers.

It is not true. My brother and many friends of mine who live in Canada and most of them live in Ontario province never say that. Quebecers are the one who discriminate people who speak English.

My sentence was so quickly, and wrongly, said.

Speaking french means discriminate english-speaking people ?

if you don't speak the local language, you will feel a bit discriminated.

I keep the opinion that people have to adapt themselves to the local, and not reciproquely.

And I don't want french, and diversity of languages, to disappear from North America (and after that, in the World).

Do you prefer that Quebecers accept english more than french ? they simply speak french.

No, the tourists do not prefer Quebecers accept English more than French and they don’t give a dam about it because they don’t live there. They just want to communicate during their time in Quebec.

Anyway, they can do the effort of trying to learn french. Is it to the local people to learn a language which is not their, which is not local ?

NB : there are english-speaking Quebecers who have the attitude : "What ? you speak french ! you are a separatiiiiiiist !" and they suddenly take a closer attitude, when they know that you speak french.

Yes they are. They ignored me when I asked for the information. If I can speak French then I don’t mind speaking French with them, however they do speak English, why don't they speak English with me?

What is your mother tongue ?

Shokin

[vince90]

But you can learn more than only english. You are not asked to speak perfectly each language, at least to be able to talk.

In few hours, a day, a week or a year? I can’t wait for my trip


My sentence was so quickly, and wrongly, said.

Speaking french means discriminate english-speaking people ?

No I did not say that. What I said is Quebecers discriminate people who speak English

And I don't want french, and diversity of languages, to disappear from North America (and after that, in the World).

Don’t worry Shokin! French is still one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. I don’t think it will disappear and even in North American


Anyway, they can do the effort of trying to learn french. Is it to the local people to learn a language which is not their, which is not local ?

Why do I have to learn French? Remember Canadian is multiple cultures and they are not only speaking English and French but other languages like Indian, Vietnamese, Filipino, Spanish, Chinese and so on. Do you speech Chinese when you go to Chinatown?

Yes they are. They ignored me when I asked for the information. If I can speak French then I don’t mind speaking French with them, however they do speak English, why don't they speak English with me?[/quote]

What is your mother tongue ?

You did not answer my question yet. Why do you ask me that?

[shokin]

In few hours, a day, a week or a year? I can’t wait for my trip

Are you slave of the law of the non-effort or of the law of the immediat pleasure ? let you keep time to try, from the moment when you've decided to travel to a specific country (internet and bookshops don't miss languages items).

No I did not say that. What I said is Quebecers discriminate people who speak English

And how do they so ? one Quebecer did it so all Quebecers will do so ?

Don’t worry Shokin! French is still one of the most widely spoken languages in the world. I don’t think it will disappear and even in North American

I am not as optimistic as you.

If demography of the Quebec is low and if immigrants learn english rather than french, will the french-speaking in the Quebec increase ?

Why do I have to learn French? Remember Canadian is multiple cultures and they are not only speaking English and French but other languages like Indian, Vietnamese, Filipino, Spanish, Chinese and so on. Do you speech Chinese when you go to Chinatown?

Multiculturalism a big word. Even if all these languages are spoken in the Canada, they are only a small part of the Canadians. English keeps being the main language and is official.

Yes they are. They ignored me when I asked for the information. If I can speak French then I don’t mind speaking French with them, however they do speak English, why don't they speak English with me?

What is your mother tongue ?

You did not answer my question yet. Why do you ask me that?[/quote]

When I talked about these people, I thougt about the english-speaking federalists. But I don't know whether the people, whom you have met, are federalists or sovereignists.

You know, many people, who are determinated to defend their opinion (sovereignists or federalists) can have very different attitudes acording to the language that you speak.

Shokin

[vince90]

Are you slave of the law of the non-effort or of the law of the immediat pleasure ? let you keep time to try, from the moment when you've decided to travel to a specific country (internet and bookshops don't miss languages items).

Do you mean to learn how to say hello and goodbye?

And how do they so ? one Quebecer did it so all Quebecers will do so ?

Most of people say that not only me. I go with the majority.

I am not as optimistic as you.

If demography of the Quebec is low and if immigrants learn english rather than french, will the french-speaking in the Quebec increase ?

I think I know why. People have learned to accept the fact.

Multiculturalism a big word. Even if all these languages are spoken in the Canada, they are only a small part of the Canadians. English keeps being the main language and is official.

To be honest with you, I wish the whole world speak the same language and I don’t care what language it is. (I don’t mean one nation control all) It will be a lot benefit and easier for the human. There will be no more conflict between languages and peace may come to all of us.

I rest my case here. Thanks for good debate Shokin.

[shokin]

Do you mean to learn how to say hello and goodbye?

Not only. You can find much more on internet. It is good that people can have a conversation like the our now, in french in the Quebec. With grammar and vocabulary.

Most of people say that not only me. I go with the majority. /quote]

That is not why I've heard or read. Quebecers, whom I did speak to, sovereignists or federalists, told me opposite. You seem to injury all the Quebecer people, especially the Quebecers who respect each one.

But you know that there is a ditch between french-speaking and english-speaking Quebecers.

I think I know why. People have learned to accept the fact.

To accept a low demography ? it is fatalist, it is suicid to resign face to a low demography. It is a suicid, a madness to resign face to the globalization of a culture or of a language (or of a currency ... or ... ).

But french has to keep being the main language in the Quebec. Happily two new Quebecers papers appeared recently ! but it is not enought yet face to the mountain of english-speaking medias.

To be honest with you, I wish the whole world speak the same language and I don’t care what language it is. (I don’t mean one nation control all) It will be a lot benefit and easier for the human. There will be no more conflict between languages and peace may come to all of us.

To be honest with you, I don't wish so.

- One only language would not make the conflicts disappear. (you dream)
- the diversity of languages, of cultures, is as necessary as the biodiversity, for the "good-working" (good health) of the system, and we have to accept this diversity.
- Each people has right to the auto-determination, to the sovereignty, to feel "at home". Would you feel at home, when you are in country in your house where people does not speak the same languages ? the local people haven't to learn the language of the immigrants, it is to immigrants to do this effort, and to tourists, too.

Why I defend the french in the Quebec, and the sovereignty of the Quebec :

- for preserving the diversity of languages and of cultures. Language is necessary vector of the culture. For example, the french, the Quebecer culture in the Quebec, especially in the middle of two great english-speaking parts. But, catalan, too, the Catalunya face to the Spain, even if it is not the same situation.

- Quebecers are more orientated to nature and social that the ROC (Rest Of Canada). But Quebec is under the spleen of the Canada (Paul Martin is the first minister of the Canada, but liberal and anti-sovereignist ; Quebecers regret to have voted for John James Charest, liberal too ! and who claimed english from the first primary school ; during spring, there were a strike of students because this one cut in grants, and in nurseries...)

- Most Quebecers want the Quebec to become a country, in order to put their priorities right, not only after money and economy, like the liberals. And with the now political system, the BQ (Bloc Québecois) cannot have a first minister of Canada. There are soon the elections in the Canada (23 january 2006). The first minister can be probably either again the liberal Paul Martin or the Conservator Stephar Harper. According to recent inquiries, Conservators have some advanced face to the liberal. Even if Gilles Duceppe, chief ot the BQ, cannot be first prime minister, the numbers of BQ deputies can be greater. And just because most Quebecers want the Quebec to be a country, I will keep their direction.

- Because of the low démography and because of the numbers of immigrants learning english rather than french, the french-speaking population in the Quebec is decreasing. The statu quo is complice of this extinction of the french language. That is why the linguistical control of immigrant and their integration is necessary. Unhappily, the Canada, and not the Quebec, chooses which immigrants are accepted or refused. With the sovereignty, the linguistical emancipation of the Quebec is guaranteed, which is impossible without the sovereignty.

- The Accords of Meech, which accepted the legitimity to the quebecer and linguistical laws, was refused by a majority of Canadians. Canadians don't seem to want the cohabitation, in the constitutionnal text, clauses guaranteeing linguistical collective rights with clauses protecting the individual rights. This refusing says much about the incapacity of Canadians to imagine their state as multinational, to see and admit the diversity. The Canada have refused the principe of distinct society. The Quebec has consequently only one solution : the sovereignty.

Shokin