Virginia Tech Shootings.

[Butler]

I am watching the news right now, having just come home from work and found that some gunman has gone on a rampage in a Tech in Virginia. Reports say that 32, including the gunman, are dead.

Is this world gone mad????????

I feel so shocked and sad. Im stunned.

[Danyet]

I heard about it, too. It appears to me that people are becoming sicker in the head and more dangerous every year.

I believe that here in USA we have the best AND the worst of people. There are a lot of bad people here. Of course there are mostly good people in America but it is a fact that there are a lot of bad people here too.

[Danyet]

Hmmmm.... The latest news is that the killer was actually a 24 year old student from China. He chained the doors closed from the inside so no one could escape and then started killing people. He was here on a student visa issued in Shanghai.

Police think that his crime was planned in advance because he called in two bomb threats recently so ho could see how the police would respond.

[vince90]

The killer was from S. Korea. Man, I am sick of it.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech. ... index.html

[Danyet]

The latest news is that the killer had "Ismail Ax" written in red under his arm?

Know what that means?

Ismail refers back to Abraham of the Old Testament. Muslims world-wide use the name "Ismail" extensively. Each country may have some variation, but it always refers to Abraham. He is a special figure in Old Testamant history. He had a legitamite sone, Isaac, and illegitimate, Ishmael.

Ax refers to the Muslim belief that he Abraham was to kill Ishmael instead of Isaac (as in the Old Testamant) using an axe as opposed to a knife.

So it appears we have a widely understood Muslim reference to an Old Testament figure (Abraham) who was told to kill either his legitimate (per the Old Testament - Judaeo Christian) or his illegitimate (per Muslim belief) son by God's (or Allah's) command. The Old Testament reports this command was not carried out as God presented an alternative animal sacrifice to Abraham at the time he was to kill Isaac (or Ishmael = Ismail).

But the Old Testament says a knife was to be used while Muslims say an axe was the tool to be used. There is a difference in meaning. The word "axe" denotes the intention to decapitate, to cut off, the head. A knife denoted to stab the heart. There is also some indication of a belief that Abraham attacked idols with an axe.

Thus, this phrase is undeniably related to Islam.

It can mean that Islam's Ishmael must kill the legitimate "son", Isaac, the source of the Western civilization.

(Ibrahim = Abraham):

After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were offered to them, but the food was untouched. "Well, why don't you eat? The food is getting cold." He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left. --The Koran

[Misi]

There is only one nationality which is possible for citizens of USA. They are 'americans'. And it does not matter which ethnic group or religion they belong. The student from Virginia Tech was an american, in spite of his korean roots! But all americans have the right to carry guns. This right is recognized as a "natural" right endowed to them by their Creator as written by the founding Fathers. This right is to ensure that no future government (US or foreign) will be able to take any of their rights away from them. As well as for self preservation. This right is what makes Americans the "Freest" people on Earth.They have the right to defend themselves from their own government if necessary! The action of desperation which that american commited in university of Virginia was just horrible and useless fight against a stifling atmosphere of racism and intolerance in the university and in an american soceity, but being an american he had a right to do it.
P.S. Of course, it would be better, if all students and teachers had the guns in their pockets at that day and could protect themselves. Perhaps his horrible action would not happened in such situation.


With the best wishes and deep regret
Misi / a learner of english /

[Danyet]

There is only one nationality which is possible for citizens of USA. They are 'americans'. And it does not matter which ethnic group or religion they belong. The student from Virginia Tech was an american, in spite of his korean roots! But all americans have the right to carry guns. This right is recognized as a "natural" right endowed to them by their Creator as written by the founding Fathers. This right is to ensure that no future government (US or foreign) will be able to take any of their rights away from them. As well as for self preservation. This right is what makes Americans the "Freest" people on Earth.They have the right to defend themselves from their own government if necessary! The action of desperation which that american commited in university of Virginia was just horrible and useless fight against a stifling atmosphere of racism and intolerance in the university and in an american soceity, but being an american he had a right to do it.
P.S. Of course, it would be better, if all students and teachers had the guns in their pockets at that day and could protect themselves. Perhaps his horrible action would not happened in such situation.


With the best wishes and deep regret
Misi / a learner of english /

Well said!!

[Shazzam]

There is only one nationality which is possible for citizens of USA. They are 'americans'. And it does not matter which ethnic group or religion they belong. The student from Virginia Tech was an american, in spite of his korean roots! But all americans have the right to carry guns. This right is recognized as a "natural" right endowed to them by their Creator as written by the founding Fathers. This right is to ensure that no future government (US or foreign) will be able to take any of their rights away from them. As well as for self preservation. This right is what makes Americans the "Freest" people on Earth.They have the right to defend themselves from their own government if necessary! The action of desperation which that american commited in university of Virginia was just horrible and useless fight against a stifling atmosphere of racism and intolerance in the university and in an american soceity, but being an american he had a right to do it.
P.S. Of course, it would be better, if all students and teachers had the guns in their pockets at that day and could protect themselves. Perhaps his horrible action would not happened in such situation.


With the best wishes and deep regret
Misi / a learner of english /

Well said!!

What a load!!! These rules were written in a time when we didn't know any better. Good grief. Freedom has nothing to do with shooting people. Wake up!! I feel saddened by the fact that people feel that freedom comes with war and weapons. That is what is wrong with this world. Danyet of course you would agree with it, lets face it you are a cowboy that has lived out on the ranges. Apply this theory to people with mental issues etc. Re-think it!!!

[Shazzam]

I heard about it, too. It appears to me that people are becoming sicker in the head and more dangerous every year.

I believe that here in USA we have the best AND the worst of people. There are a lot of bad people here. Of course there are mostly good people in America but it is a fact that there are a lot of bad people here too.

So do you classify yourself as American now Danyet? I'm not sure where you loyalities lye anymore. Enlighten us!!

[Danyet]

I have no country! I am rejected by Australians and I am treated as a foreigner by Americans.

But the fact remains:
If you want to know what a true Australian is - look at me.
If you want to know what a true American is - look at me.