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Hopes fade for Nguyen Tuong Van.

Postby Shazzam » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:58 am

The mother of condemned Australian drug trafficker Nguyen Tuong Van has paid a second visit to her son on death row as hope for a final reprieve all but disappears.

Kim Nguyen and Nguyen's twin brother Khoa spent about two hours at Changi Prison visiting the condemned Melbourne man, who is scheduled to be hanged on December 2nd.

Nguyen, 25, was arrested in 2002 at Singapore's Changi airport caarrying almost 400 grams of heroin.

After being convicted, he lost his appeal and had all appeals for clemency from Canberra turned down.

Now there appears almost no chance that Nguyen will avoid the gallows.

Prime Minister John Howard, who has led repeated, last minute calls for clemency, has conceded that Canberra has now exhausted all practical diplomatic avenues.

"I do not believe the government of Singapore will change its position. I have to say that and I owe it to Mr Nguyen's family, I owe it to the Australian people to give an honest opinion, Mr Howard told reporters in the Pakistan capital Islamabad.

Howard ruled out the chances of a final legal appeal, saying the International Court of Justice had no jurisdiction as Singapore was doing nothing illegal.

Despite that bleak assessment, Victoria state Attorney General Rob Hulls is travelling to Singapore to press Nguyen's case once again.

Accompanied by Australia's High Commissioner to Singapore Miles Kupa, Hull's is set to meet with Singapore's Senior Minister of State for Law and Home Affairs Ho Peng Kee on Thrusday.

Mr. Ho, however, is a relatively junior member of Singapore's political establishment. It is understood that Mrs Nguyen will be allowed hour-long visits on Thursday, Friday and next Monday, with longer visits in the final three days before the December 2 dawn hanging.

Authorities at Changi Prison have declined to comment on whether Mrs Nguyen would be permitted to see her son this weekend, which is likely to be his last.

A Singapore woman, Pauline Oi Chen Ni, wrote arguing strongly that no clemency should be shown to Nguyen. "Australia, in indluging in mob hysterics (and maybe a false sense of moral superiority) has chosen to ignore Singapore's sovereignty and the laws governing our land and people," Mrs Oi said.



news.ninemsn.com.au. aap

What do you think? I would be interested to hear everyone's opinions on this :idea: :(
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Postby Danyet » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:52 pm

I think that Aussies should boycott all countries that have laws like Singapor. I have been to enough countries to realize that I want nothing to do with any place that is tyrannical or uncivilized. There is no thrill in travelling there anymore. Aussies should stay home and lock the gates as far as I am concerned.

Sure, I've been to Singapore. It has skyscrapers and commerce to equal anyones and it is clean well taken care of. But at what cost? I won't go back.
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Postby Shazzam » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:59 pm

danyet wrote:I think that Aussies should boycott all countries that have laws like Singapor. I have been to enough countries to realize that I want nothing to do with any place that is tyrannical or uncivilized. There is no thrill in travelling there anymore. Aussies should stay home and lock the gates as far as I am concerned.

Sure, I've been to Singapore. It has skyscrapers and commerce to equal anyones and it is clean well taken care of. But at what cost? I won't go back.


I have mixed feelings about this case. :? If you are going to deal in drugs then you have to suffer the consequences. Australians, or anyone for that matter should know better. I think we should stay out of it. The same thing has happened in Bali and the government pretty much left two aussie girls to fend for themselves. It wasn't heroin. In one case some weed and in the other two estacy tablets. Schapelle Corby is imprisoned in Bali for 20 years for weed. She was lucky to escape the death penalty. Michelle Leslie served three months for having two estacy tablets on her at a party in Bali.

Everyone knows what these countries policies are but they continue to take drugs there. Are they stupid!! :roll:
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Postby Danyet » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:06 pm

Actually not everyone who goes to these countries know of their draconian laws. Many people have gone there thinking that there were no laws against drugs because of the amout of drugs openly used during the Vietnam War era. I have personaly witnessed this.
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Postby Shazzam » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:16 pm

danyet wrote:Actually not everyone who goes to these countries know of their draconian laws. Many people have gone there thinking that there were no laws against drugs because of the amout of drugs openly used during the Vietnam War era. I have personaly witnessed this.


:roll: Maybe twenty years ago that would be true Danyet; but with the media coverage these days what planet are people living on? :roll: I don't think ignorance is an excuse anyway. People know that drugs are wrong; they know that dealing drugs is wrong. Maybe the punishments in these countries is too rigid I agree, however the punishments in my country are too weak. That is why we continually have repeat offenders.

I don't agree with the death penalty anywhere (just my opinion) but if you are going to openly break the law in the country that has these penalties then its your own fault. :roll:
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Postby Danyet » Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:18 am

Not everyone thinks that drugs are wrong. In some countries they are accepted. Haven't you been to Amsterdam where you buy the grass at the cafe and sit down with a nice cup of coffee or hot chocalat on a rainy afternoon and watch Pink Floyd videos. Hmm? It is actually hard to believe for some people to believe that the law in ANY country could be so harsh as Singapore or Malaya. maybe you don't realize this living a in OZ where you do.
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Postby Shazzam » Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:43 am

danyet wrote:Not everyone thinks that drugs are wrong. In some countries they are accepted. Haven't you been to Amsterdam where you buy the grass at the cafe and sit down with a nice cup of coffee or hot chocalat on a rainy afternoon and watch Pink Floyd videos. Hmm? It is actually hard to believe for some people to believe that the law in ANY country could be so harsh as Singapore or Malaya. maybe you don't realize this living a in OZ where you do.


The difference here is they aren't sitting at a cafe sticking needles in their arms. This guy was carrying 500g (1/2 kilo) of heroin. I agree that in most countries these days (except for Indonesia etc) the laws regarding marijuana have been decriminialised.
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Postby Danyet » Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:52 am

But still the penalty for even a tourist carrying a tiny amount of pot can be Death in Thailand. This is inhumane and barbaric. It is the same in Saudi Arabia but most people are already aware of how barbaric Saudi laws are. Not so with many travellers to SE Asia especially those from countries soft on Pot like Holland and Denmark. Even Canada is a lot softer on Pot than the USA.

Many countries would be even softer than they are, except for the external pressure that is put on them from countries like the USA, to keep inline with their own failing drug policies. Recently Holland toughened up their laws a little to appease USA.

The so called "War on Drugs " is a farce.
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Postby Shazzam » Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:21 pm

I agree on that on lighter charges like carrying enough weed for your own personal use (which shouldn't even be a charge and in most places in Australia now isn't) but a fine would do if there had to be a penalty at all.

But this case isn't about a small amount of weed. This guy was carrying 1/2 kilo of heroin into a country that carries the death penalty for such an offence. :roll: I personally think we should stay out it! It isn't up to the government to push our ideas on any country. We should be discussing issues like this at summits; not waiting for an individual case. I would find it hard to believe as he is of obvious Asian background that he wasn't aware of the penalty. :idea:
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Postby Shazzam » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:53 am

Looks like Australian politicians haven't given up yet. John Howard is away and the acting Prime Minister has released further information on the process. You have to give them 100/100 for effort. :o

Here is the link if you would like to read it.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=73901
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