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Postby Shazzam » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:36 pm

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In my country we believe in the principle 'innocent until proven guilty'. This woman has not/and is not, under any suspicion. :shock:

Well, same thing for almost everywhere, don't you think? If they had doubts, they would have hung her with him. They haven't done it like that, have they? I was speaking my own feelings about this whole thing. I was saying that I have some doubts about her position in his life and her position in this whole picture. Who could raise their hand and say she is really innocent beside herself (if and only if she doesn't lie)??


I don't think I can answer the question with a YES. The reason is corruption. I don't agree that judicial systems always make the right choices based on evidence. It is well known that in some countries; you can buy your way to freedom. :roll: There is also evidence that these countries can also imprison someone wrongfully because of their religious or political beliefs. There have been many executions carried out on this basis alone. :shock: :(
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Postby Unknownsu » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:45 pm

LennyeTran wrote:What if this is not his first time doing it? In other words, it means he's ruined lives of young people who might have had a bright future but instead they are living a life as like worthless, pathetic people. And what if those people got AIDS because of doing drugs and they then passed it on to other people? I think people should think twice about people doing weeds, but heroine?


No Lennye, he would not be ruining their lives, if they did buy from him, which I doubt, they would be ruining their own lives. It's easy to blame another person for your own faults.

If it wasn't his first time smuggling in drugs, he's lucky the previous times. But regardless of how many times he did it, the death penalty is too severe.
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Postby Danyet » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:59 am

I agree. Death penelty is too severe.
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Postby Shazzam » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:57 am

It appears from reports that this young man is ready to die; he knows what he has done is wrong. His mother has asked Changi prison for the right to cuddle her son before he dies this has been denied. :twisted:
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Postby MissLT » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:26 pm

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No Lennye, he would not be ruining their lives, if they did buy from him, which I doubt, they would be ruining their own lives. It's easy to blame another person for your own faults.

If it wasn't his first time smuggling in drugs, he's lucky the previous times. But regardless of how many times he did it, the death penalty is too severe.

Most of the young kids don't touch heroine until those drug dealers come to them and persuade them to try. When you're young you're vulnerable and easy to fall for bad things. You know, you're just trying to break the rules, doing new things and acting cool. I know this is a two-way situation. If you're strong enough, you'll say no to drugs no matter how much they try to persuade you; however, you'll have to be responsible for your own failure if you're weak and fall into their trap. One thing, though, would you fall into their trap in the first place if they didn't try to make you fall for it? To me, they're the ones who are more to blame since they're trying to make money in an evil way, and they're trying to get people to do their evil deeds.
I hate drug dealers, and I think death penalty is what they deserve. I dislike, oh no, I hate, hate, hate people who try to make money in an evil and easy way. I hate people who earn money without an ambition to get money because they have dreams and ideas, and they'll get money because of their dreams and ideas.
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Postby MissLT » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:33 pm

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I don't think I can answer the question with a YES. The reason is corruption. I don't agree that judicial systems always make the right choices based on evidence. It is well known that in some countries; you can buy your way to freedom. :roll: There is also evidence that these countries can also imprison someone wrongfully because of their religious or political beliefs. There have been many executions carried out on this basis alone. :shock: :(

He came or stopped by Singapore, I don't know, but the point is it's Singapore. You'll get your butt whipped if you throw trash on the street, talking about heroine. He should know that. Don't ever mess with their laws. They carry out their laws as much as possible. I think it's the reason why Singapore is only a small island, but they're recognizable for their strict laws and ecnonomy.
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Postby Unknownsu » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:34 pm

Again, I disagree with you, Lennye. You know nothing about this man yet you assume he is the one on the streets selling this stuff. Can he not be the suppier? I know some drug dealers and none of them walk the streets to sell drugs. The buyers usually go to them. The main attraction for drug use today is peer pressure. Without demand, there wouldn't be supply.
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Postby Danyet » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:14 pm

I agree again. Drug dealers have no problems getting people to come to them. The stories of dealers approaching innocent kids with proposition of heroin sounds like it is right out of propaganda and disinfomation movies like "Reefer Madness".

People that get into heroin these days are more likely to be influenced by their circle of friends and disolution with the world that has been passed down to them.
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Postby MissLT » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:38 am

Unknownsu wrote:Again, I disagree with you, Lennye. You know nothing about this man yet you assume he is the one on the streets selling this stuff. Can he not be the suppier? I know some drug dealers and none of them walk the streets to sell drugs. The buyers usually go to them. The main attraction for drug use today is peer pressure. Without demand, there wouldn't be supply.

By the way he was carrying this stuff, I doubt it was his first time or he was a drug dealer who sold stuff on the street. He got hooked-up, connections and stuff. It's even worst then a non-professional drug dealers. He's in the connection. I wonder how many people he's indirectly killed with his drugs. There are drug dealers who would come to young people to offer them drugs when they're in a bad moods, and those people would hook up with other drug dealers to get more. You think mafias dealing with drugs are longer existed? I know people who know drug dealers and let me tell you, it's not a pretty picture. It never is. This is the reason why I hate them. I don't feel sorry for any of their deaths. And I never will. :x
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Postby Shazzam » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:19 pm

THIS IS BIZARRE!

Sinapore's hangman has become a celebrity. He is doing interviews for magazines and television telling them that Tuong won't suffer any pain etc, because he is so good at this job. The chief executioner's name is Darshan Singh he is 74 years old and has hanged more than 800 prinsoners over 45 years.

Good grief! :twisted:
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