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baobao wrote:Yes..first of all, I agree to say that babies is innocent and cute but unfortunately the proverbs point to man not babies.

My dear, the baby is man. They are not animals.
The philosophers pointed at all men. "Men" here means men, women, boys, girls, included babies.

Baobao wrote:Second that environment is created by people too, so I think is so hypocrite to blame environment.

The question is :
are you a product of an environment or a heredity.

Baobao wrote:That I believe basically we are selfish which can be change.

We're basically nice and innocent. Just keep it. Don't change it. Don't be a wolf. I don't wanna be a wolf. Your philosophers might have wanted to.

Baobao wrote:People have their own point of view, I respect everypeople point of view.

You got it. You got it, my dear. Everybody has their own point of view, included you and me. So, in my opinion your philosophers were wrong. That's my opinion, and you should respect it.

Baobao wrote:I won't say it wrong because, I'm not so superior smart to judge it wrong.Thank You

Are you suffering from a mental disorder called inferiority complex?
C'mon, wake up
Be confident
Criticize everything you consider wrong
Don't be a buffalo

You should have known that some philosophers are not better than you. In some ways, you might be better that your admired philosophers. Don't you know that some philosophers committed suicide. They were hopeless. Do you want to copy or follow them?

Are they better?

Don't commit suicide my dear

This life is so beautiful to enjoy.
There a lot of beautiful things in this world.
There are a lot of things to enjoy rather than committing suicide.

Be a man instead of a copycat.

You mean be yourself...Ohh..I got your idea..About right or wrong..I want to ask you something.I have read a book that said a debate can't judge it right or wrong,because there are always pro and contra right.Then when you say that homo homini lupus wrong isn't that you judge..haha...suicide..quite funny..By the way what is inferiority complex?You are an indonesian right?how old are you?Because me too i'm from jakarta too..nice to meet you my friend^^

By nature we humans are all animals and selfish, but by nurture we can be different and WE ARE!! Our environmental factors influence the behavior and traits of our life.

I think that it's true! It's rule of ourtimes. We can't live without this strain. But degree of this is different for others...

baobao wrote:I have read a book that said a debate can't judge it right or wrong,because there are always pro and contra right.

Nothing's wrong with debate. The most important thing is how we react to a debate properly. A debate can sharpen our understanding about something.


Nice to meet you too my fellow Indonesian.

I can't agree with you.

i believe we are. Now, those people who'd react hard on this, ponder: For once in your life, didn't you think of saving your own neck before others.
It's human nature. We people tend to think of ourselves first before we try to do something good to others.
But human as we are, there are still those times we we become selfless and think of others. I hope there are still people who are like that. I can't guarantee myself all te time. ^__^

When people say that "we're all basically selfish" they are equivocating, or confusing, different meanings of the word "selfish". Of course we are all concerned with our own survival, but man is a very weak animal on his/her own. We all depend on other people. So there is a clear social dimension to all of us. We would not exist as individuals, as persons, without a group or a society. And social life requires that we look after the interests of other people too and not just ourselves. So we're basically unselfish too. If you treated other people like ~ all the time, they would treat you badly too, and eventually you would die in total isolation.

Hi there,

I think it is true but we should find a balabce between ourselves and others. indeed, I am trying to be good with others and deal with them as the same way that I eccept them to do in return...We are really selfish but we can overcome it....

becuase we just thinking about our self and after the other



so we are selfish

I agree with you

Yes. We are selfish in essence. I think that the basis of our civilization is sustained by two main columns: selfishness and sex.

Yes, I think we are basically selfish but the question is :" how much selfish are you"?

There are people totally selfish and other reasonably selfish.

I think to be a reasonably one.

Human beings are naturally animals, selfish is a human concept. So the technical answer to your question is yes we are naturally selfish.
But,its really about the survival instinct, all animals are selfish when it comes to survival, procreation and nurture are close to it in dominance of instinct though, that's why most humans and animals protect their young fiercely and why we are all driven to have sex frequently.

So, I believe the hardest thing for humans to overcome is pride and selfishness.