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Lac wrote:To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society. But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Actually, why we forbid such unnatural marriage legally and constitutionally ? It might be contradictory to our current views but how can we know in future or a few more years ?
Marriage of the same sex brings no notion of "husband", "wife","dad" "mother", "kids", "uncle", "aunt". It seems to upset all of ordinary conception that has often been recognized as common standard for a happy family.
The topic given by Lenny TRAN is quite wide, not limited and commented in just few messages. The problem is that we should not condemn it as anything horrible like many asian countries have. It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

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I have made bold the two statements you made that bother me the most, at the moment and italisized the one that made me laugh the most....and I must add that you have answered it perhaps by a freudian [sic] slip ...with "of course" immediately beginning your next sentence...very cute! But then I am so sleepy I must be getting hysterical...
In my sometimes flawed opinion...your first problem is the very suspicion of the love between two human beings who have the same sort of heart as any other human...tell me how could they love any differently?
If they have found a way to cheat their hearts and love the ones they do not feel love for while forgetting the love they feel for the same sex ...well now that would be a great scientific discovery! Right? It would be like cheating death!
And before turning in I must say that you have it all wrong about the family bit....but then you wouldnt know that unless you had spent time with all your gay friends and family members as I have... there is the same exact sort of dynamic of which you speak, it is just that the aunties might be men and the uncles women...and the like.
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[quote="Norshan"]ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !![/quote]



Tikay:
Did you know that God has created...for those who believe in God.... that fish exist, who will actually change their sex....now tell me why why would a dissapproving God do this? What on earth could it mean? Also has everyone forgotten about such things as the hermaphrodite?
I am being a bit too catty maybe but I am very tired...yet I can't stop reading the posts.
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baby_love wrote:i think it's legal. :D U only feel happy when u get married to him/her who u love.Lesbians or gays are also people.Everyone should be respected

PEOPLE! EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED!

Thats it...I propose a scientific research for all who do not understand about gay people and lesbian people....get a few at least as friends to learn things, strait from these true experts on their lives! When you have some friends like this you may qualify for an unbiased an intelligent opinion.
Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
I love my friends who are real enough to question the status quo. Good subject LennyeTran! :wink:
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tikay wrote: Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
i once acted like a sheep, but as i grow older, i learned that there really is more to life than whatever is taught to me.. the italicised statement..i agree and alot of things i have realised and learned, i discovered them by myself. i never thought of joining forums like this, but you learn, unlearn and re-learn..and there are things we need to unlearn right..? i was able to discover so many things through this.... i guess it's part of growing up.. :D at home, i'm not afraid to speak my mind anymore, and i discovered that it was okay to have your stand and speak for it....it feels so good.. :D
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thats it! growing up comes to everyone at different stages and we all have to unlearn as much as we have to learn !!! WOW excellant point!
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hi tikay..sorry bt i didn't got ur idea !!
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when I was replying to you I wanted to point out that there are such things on this Earth as the hermaphrodite which is a person who has two sexes combined and then there are even fish that can switch their sexual organs at a point in their lives...I have seen this in a scientific show about the sexes...the fish will be one sex then they change to be the opposite sex...so I was just saying that as for God...how can man truly know what God had in mind, if you are a spiritual person...just ask yourself why these things would be happening...and especially this...why do these people love the same sex person sexually if God would not want it...why would God create something that God would dispise, in the first place?

Is that better? For my explanation?
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Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.
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There are so many different potential responses for that suggestion so it is very vague as to what you are meaning to convey...are you saying that the average person, loving their son will accept wholely the idea...or reject completely the idea or something that is possibly way more complex would happen in this scenario?
I suggest that the responses to this situation are as vast and as various as the individual who is facing such a situation.

You answer does not let us know anything clear about how you yourself would deal with this even.... so can you go pro or con?

I think you are saying you would be the accepting/loving kind of parent but I am not sure.

I will say that having three sons of recent dating/marriage ages, this potential is so real for me and I know my answer....sad but complete loving motherly acceptance, and not sad for their choice of lover/lifestyle and mate, but sad because there are so many who be unaccepting of their love as shown in here.

Sad for them ...that it is a sometimes hard road to travel, but we all have rocky places, and I will accept they will have the stregnth to carry them through their lives and be rewarded for their authenticity in love.

I will love the partner of any of my four offspring.... accepting them as human gifts from the same universal force of energy, that creates all the choices...that one can possibly decide to imagine or act on in this world. I will only have to worry a bit more for thier safety among certain beasts, known as men of ignorance.

I hope that my sons and daughter... will be brave enough to explore love as I have, and decide what they really need from love. If it is a person of their very own sex...is it not wonderful and good that they had the courage to find out?
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desertman wrote:Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.
If my son was just a little kid, I would laugh about it. If he was an adult, I would tell him to think twice before getting married with ANYONE. Marriage is not a game; you can't just press the reset button when you have come to a dead end for another round.

I would not care who he would marry to as long as he was happy. As a parent, you should consider your children's happiness over your fear of homosexuals. If you, yourself, think your children should not get married to homosexuals because it is wrong, then you're being too selfish. What is wrong to you doesn't mean it would be wrong to others. And by all means, marrying to a homosexual is nothing wrong!
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Actualy this topic is very long to read,, but it is very interesting.
I think it is very bad idea if man marries man or women marries woman:
I won't talk about religion because there are many people who you can not convince them by religion .
so ..
I think this action is OPPOSITE the nature.
we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself
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ahmads wrote: I think this action is OPPOSITE the nature.
we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself
This reason is invalid. The whole population won't turn homosexuals that is something I know for sure. Some people are straight, some are gays, and some are bisexuals. Why would everyone turn gay if homsexual people could get married? I know gay people. I like them. I think they should deserve to be heard. However, it doesn't mean I will turn gay.
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we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself
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Is this the only reason humans get married.... ??? They just want to reproduce n keep the human race going???? I dont think so... I married someone because I loved him... I am not ready to have kids yet but even when I do have em I wouldnt do it for the sole purpose of saving the human race from extinction...
Now lets assume, if gay/lesbian marriages are legalized, would you all of a sudden stop loving your partner of opposite sex now? Are you suggesting that law controls our emotions and feelings and that once legal system says its OK for us to get married to the person of same sex, we might just do it..... thats absurd !!!!
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LennyeTran wrote: This reason is invalid. The whole population won't turn homosexuals
good points.
First of all : Certainly the whole population won't turn homosexuals, and do you decide if something is a problem or not by this way?
and you can not wait a problem till erupt , then you try to solve it.
Some people are straight
SEcond of all: For what?
When we see car racing we say: this contestant is
in the road so he is a straight , and this contestant is out of the road so he isn't straight..
so in this example we use the street like a rule to decide if someone is a straight or not.
so.. you said some people are straight !!!can you explain straight for what ? straight on _______!
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CravinFood wrote:
Is this the only reason humans get married.... ??? They just want to reproduce n keep the human race going???? I dont think so... I married someone because I loved him... I am not ready to have kids yet but even when I do have em I wouldnt do it for the sole purpose of saving the human race from extinction...
Now lets assume, if gay/lesbian marriages are legalized, would you all of a sudden stop loving your partner of opposite sex now? Are you suggesting that law controls our emotions and feelings and that once legal system says its OK for us to get married to the person of same sex, we might just do it..... thats absurd !!!!
I didn't say the only reason ,I said the main reason ...and I colored main word by red ,,because I know I will received a question about this word!
And when I said main I think it means that there are another reasons,
But maybe they are less important than the reason I mentioned .
certainly I'll marry a girl who I love . and she'll marry me because she loves me.
and sex is a INSTINCT ,But the question is ?
Are there any rules to carry out this instinct?
and from where we can bring those rules!!!????
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ahmads wrote:
good points.
First of all : Certainly the whole population won't turn homosexuals, and do you decide if something is a problem or not by this way?
and you can not wait a problem till erupt , then you try to solve it.
Read that bold part a hundred times for me. Write it down a hundred times for me. Think about it a hundred times for me. When you've finished doing all these things, then you'll understand your question given to me.

The whole population won't turn homsexuals, you've agreed with me. There will be heteros, homsexuals, and bisexuals. If the whole population CERTAINLY won't turn gays, then what is your point saying that human race will be extinct? Why is it a problem?
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Some people are straight
SEcond of all: For what?
When we see car racing we say: this contestant is
in the road so he is a straight , and this contestant is out of the road so he isn't straight..
so in this example we use the street like a rule to decide if someone is a straight or not.
so.. you said some people are straight !!!can you explain straight for what ? straight on _______!
Straight= hetero. Gay, queer, fag, etc= homosexual. Got it? Are you straight? And what do you mean by for what? Why are you straight? Because everyone around you is straight and you can't be gay is that what you're telling me? :?
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I believe that everyone has the right to do whatever makes them happy :lol:
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I don't know what to say....
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I think marriage between same sex people should be allowed in all country.when we love someone, we want to talk to them all the day and care for them so why don't we give a gay/lesbian sympathy.
I agree with Profsegarra, let them do what they feel happy about.I want to tell you that because my most closely friend is a gay, he doesnt want to play or talk with any girls.when his parents found out that, they felt offended and didnt think that he's their son any more.Now his friends hate him and I'm also embarassed to meet him but day by day he look more fainted and poor.therefore, I decide to come to meet him and encourage him in order to help him to pass through the sorrow.Afterthat, he try his best to look after homeless children, old people, orphans, etc.finallly, I hope all of you can sympathize with homosexuals
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Why not?

in my opinion, to marry whom is just part of human rights.
each one has his own rights to choose who he loves and who he would like to spend all his life with.

laws usually forbid abnormal marriages such as, a male marries more than one female at the same time or, a female marries more than one male at the same time. but laws do not forbid marraige between two people who are in same sex, such bans are not written in terms, also there are not terms of permission.

but, if there is true love between gays, why do we others forbid it? such relationships are nothing different from those relationships between men and women. they are same. for people who are in love with each other, sex is really not the point they care.
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hi everybody.
marriages between pipl of the same sex is smth rather new in the world. And there will always be thousands of different opinions: some1 saying oh ~, how is it possible, why does our government allows these marriages; some1 says ok it's up to them, why not; and the religious point of view will always be NO. There will be falways pro and con. If you wanna know my opinion, I'am not against, and I'm not 100% for these mattiages. I'll explain why: to me it seem very uncommon. but from the other hand I can understand those pipl (same sex couples) - they do not like people of the opposite sex. In some cases it is because of nature, in others smth else. So what of that? WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE THEM. ONLY GOD IS THEIR GUDGE. if they are happy with each other, why not. Though frankly speaking when i saw Elton Jonh and his fiance wedding, i was touched. That was so lovely, and the same time a bit funny. Two guys, and they are husband and WHO?????
Life is a strange thing, you know.
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julka wrote: Though frankly speaking when i saw Elton Jonh and his fiance wedding, i was touched. That was so lovely, and the same time a bit funny. Two guys, and they are husband and WHO?????
Life is a strange thing, you know.
I believe one is less feminine than the other. Or you can put it as less gay :lol: :lol: . That one is the bride. Heh heh heh heh...
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you know some weeks ago, there was kind of a discussion in our country. I'll explain. Gays and lesbians wanted to make a gay parade (like those in other european countries). BUT: our government and church forbided them to engage in this kind of things. I guess that is right cuz our pipl didn't get used to such kind of feasts.Though there're lot of gays in our show business, in our government, schools and wherever :wink:
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[quote="LennyeTran"][quote="julka"] That one is the bride. Heh heh heh heh...
Sounds funny. HE IS A BRIDE. Isn't it? :) where our world goes??? what will be next??? :?
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julka wrote:you know some weeks ago, there was kind of a discussion in our country. I'll explain. Gays and lesbians wanted to make a gay parade (like those in other european countries). BUT: our government and church forbided them to engage in this kind of things. I guess that is right cuz our pipl didn't get used to such kind of feasts.Though there're lot of gays in our show business, in our government, schools and wherever :wink:
Awwww... what a pity! If you had been to any gay parade, then you would have known how fun it would be. My aunt and uncle from Vietnam came to the States to visit us last year were so amazed with the San Francisco gay parade.
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julka wrote: Sounds funny. HE IS A BRIDE. Isn't it? :) where our world goes??? what will be next??? :?
I don't know which one is the bride, but we had our discussion in Current News and I remember saying the thin man was the bride. "Gotta watch my girly figure, my dear" :lol: :lol:
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Yeah, i have not been to gay parades, but have seen different gay shows in clubs. That was really fascinating, i must say, and really beautiful. I like gays cuz they are different from other guys (i mean their gestures, habits, manners) and i really think they are sweet and lovely :wink:
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julka wrote:Yeah, i have not been to gay parades, but have seen different gay shows in clubs. That was really fascinating, i must say, and really beautiful. I like gays cuz they are different from other guys (i mean their gestures, habits, manners) and i really think they are sweet and lovely :wink:
The only thing that pisses me off is when gay guys are hot and good-looking. I mean, can they at least be bi and not completely gay?
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Good question. But i think if he is gay, then he is every inch a gay. that's life buddy. If I'm natural, tham I'm natural to the marrow of my bones.
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bis and gays are different. a complete gay will not be interested in ladies, like a usuaul guy can't be interested in a man, cuz he feels disgust even at the thought.
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julka wrote:Good question. But i think if he is gay, then he is every inch a gay. that's life buddy. If I'm natural, tham I'm natural to the marrow of my bones.
Uh huh.
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julka wrote:bis and gays are different. a complete gay will not be interested in ladies, like a usuaul guy can't be interested in a man, cuz he feels disgust even at the thought.
I knew that. That's why I said I hoped he was at least bi and not completely gay, for he would date women if he was a bi.
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Do we really want to regulate love? Why do we want to try to stop people from making loving committments to one another?
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For my opinion the most dangerous thing in this field is that they want to foster baby. I think that it’s impossible to grown up to absolutely normal human is such medium.
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Boris wrote:For my opinion the most dangerous thing in this field is that they want to foster baby. I think that it’s impossible to grown up to absolutely normal human is such medium.
Is this your theory or you indeed have proofs?
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It’s my opinion and making an experiment in this area is equal to breaking someone life.
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Boris wrote:It’s my opinion and making an experiment in this area is equal to breaking someone life.
Whose life? You mean the life of a little child who could finally have a home coming from a homosexual couple or what?
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Yes I think about child.
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Boris wrote:Yes I think about child.
If you did think about the child, then you would know what every child needed was a home. A home! Not just a home of straight people or gay people. Just a home! And if any adult could give an orphan a home, we should embrace that idea. You or social psychologists have no proofs that a child would turn gay if he/she lives with homosexual parents. Just because you have your hypothetical ideas of this you would throw away a thought that a child would finally have a home?!?!?!??! If this is just, I would rather be gay to not belong in the same group.
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First of all I know that parents are most important examples for every child. You right I haven’t any proofs but you haven’t it too. And sometime it’s better to live without any home then have many serious problems during all life. Do you ready to take this responsibility?
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Boris wrote:First of all I know that parents are most important examples for every child. You right I haven’t any proofs but you haven’t it too. And sometime it’s better to live without any home then have many serious problems during all life. Do you ready to take this responsibility?
may i join your passionate conversation?

Boris, you can't judge as far as you were an orphan and were involved in all this kind of struggle. otherwise it's impossible to speak about! Every child needs a home, and this is something i share with Lennye! Sure, for my own child i would like her or him (or them :roll: ) to be straight, otherwise i'll take it for granted, i mean their being different... The family means too much for a child and it does't matter wether parents are gay, lesbian or orthodox christians... the only thing that is obligatory is their loving care to the child! :!:
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Do we want all seven billion people in the world to be "absolutely normal"? What is that? I think that so many different people with different languages and different cultures doing what is necessary to live peacefully together is most important. Children can be taught -- and can teach. Love them and learn from them. Anyone can do that.
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Tora wrote:
Boris wrote:First of all I know that parents are most important examples for every child. You right I haven’t any proofs but you haven’t it too. And sometime it’s better to live without any home then have many serious problems during all life. Do you ready to take this responsibility?
may i join your passionate conversation?

Boris, you can't judge as far as you were an orphan and were involved in all this kind of struggle. otherwise it's impossible to speak about! Every child needs a home, and this is something i share with Lennye! Sure, for my own child i would like her or him (or them :roll: ) to be straight, otherwise i'll take it for granted, i mean their being different... The family means too much for a child and it does't matter wether parents are gay, lesbian or orthodox christians... the only thing that is obligatory is their loving care to the child! :!:
I totally agree with your words, Tora. And boris, if you said I had no proofs that living with homosexual parents would not damage a child's life, then you also had no proofs that living with heterosexual parents would not damage a child's life. We both have no proofs about such thing; therefore, we must talk about humanity here, a belief in mankind.

Your hypothetical idea is biased and prejuded. Just because the parents were straight, they'd capable of raising a child better than a homosexual? What about straight parents who raise their children to be prejudiced towards homosexuals? What's your say about those parents? What about parents who raise their children to look at people based on their skin, race, ethnicity, etc? What's your say about those parents? And what about straight parents who molest their children?

You look at homosexuals who would like to adopt an orphan as homosexuals and not as human beings. And because you look at them that way, you directly shut your eyes turning away from the fact that a child might have a good home. That child might live with people who actually open their arms to take him in and raise him well. Those people would take care of babies that 'straight' people didn't want in the first place.
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Think outside the box. Can anybody discuss connecting a positive side with another positive side rather than a negative one for an electrical current? Connecting the same sides is a grave mistake. From this point of view, it is illogical to discuss a question like this. Simply because there are phenomenons in this world that we are not allowed to interfere in.
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It isn't normal at all that homosexual people live together and adopt children. What a waste of time to talking about, we all know that homosexuals are very very out of mind, having sex with your own gender is absolutely crazy! I vomit off it!
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moerdijk wrote:It isn't normal at all that homosexual people live together and adopt children. What a waste of time to talking about, we all know that homosexuals are very very out of mind, having sex with your own gender is absolutely crazy! I vomit off it!
How sane are you? :roll:
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Lenny
You make a strange issue.
I absolutely agree with you when you speak about this such terrible thinks “throw their babies in the garbage, kill them to get insurance money, force them to work in brothels, train them to become con artists, etc”. But if adopting kids by homo couple will be legalize it’s don’t solve this problem, it’s only can bring new.
I don’t want to enlarge among of homosexuals (Do you?) because I sure that such relationship is illness, illness of brain, illness of society.
I respect private of everyone. Everyone can love and have sex with hi want. But I don’t want this population make influence for kids, and society. And I don’t understand what proof do you asked. Maybe you want to make such experiment and bear responsibility for results. And another question, do you want to ask orphan if they want such parents?
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Boris wrote: Lenny
You make a strange issue.
I absolutely agree with you when you speak about this such terrible thinks “throw their babies in the garbage, kill them to get insurance money, force them to work in brothels, train them to become con artists, etc”. But if adopting kids by homo couple will be legalize it’s don’t solve this problem, it’s only can bring new.
Bring new what? :?
Boris wrote:I don’t want to enlarge among of homosexuals (Do you?) because I sure that such relationship is illness, illness of brain, illness of society.
I've said in previous page that homosexuality is within ourselves. It's something we're born with, and it's not something we choose. If you're born as a homo, you will end up being a homo. You can or cannot show it depends on the situation and society. This is sad that people can't even be themselves because there are people who think they're being different is sick. You need to be open-minded that people are born with something different than yours are not sickos. Is this how you treat people who different than you? If this is how you treat homosexuals, I wonder how you would treat people who in special classes and so forth.... :roll:

Boris wrote:I respect private of everyone. Everyone can love and have sex with hi want. But I don’t want this population make influence for kids, and society. And I don’t understand what proof do you asked. Maybe you want to make such experiment and bear responsibility for results. And another question, do you want to ask orphan if they want such parents?
The influence we're talking about here is love. Love anyone who is different or similar. No separation between whom and whom we should not love. Tight yourself in your own pool is what Hitler did. He selected his own group and tried to eliminated people who were different: Jews, homosexuals, mentals, old people, etc.
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Boris wrote:And another question, do you want to ask orphan if they want such parents?
All those kids want and need is a family, no matter the sex of the parents as long as love is involved! As long as the child is loved and raised in a happy environment, what does it matter if their family is formed by a man and a woman, two men, two women, etc.? There can be many, many kinds of families.

Do you have any idea what kind of childhood orphan children have? I'm sure you wouldn't like that for any kid. Nobody would. The more couples who want to adopt, the better, for me. Why do you think it wrong to have two dads or two moms? What do you think will happen to the child?
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Dixie wrote:
Boris wrote:And another question, do you want to ask orphan if they want such parents?
All those kids want and need is a family, no matter the sex of the parents as long as love is involved! As long as the child is loved and raised in a happy environment, what does it matter if their family is formed by a man and a woman, two men, two women, etc.? There can be many, many kinds of families.

Do you have any idea what kind of childhood orphan children have? I'm sure you wouldn't like that for any kid. Nobody would. The more couples who want to adopt, the better, for me. Why do you think it wrong to have two dads or two moms? What do you think will happen to the child?
Well, i agree that doesn't matter for child, two moms or two dads. But only while child is the litlle one and has no experience. But what will be later?
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