has the USA turned to a menace?

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:11 am

I don't know about Bush. I believe in conspiracy. There are people above presidents. BUt one thing I like is the fact that a killer like Saddam is gone because of Bush or someone. Who really knows?

I agree that it is a good thing that this criminal is being brought to justice. But maybe the price was a little too high. It is the deception that is the concern. But I do see your point Danyet!

sallak · Post by **sallak** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:59 pm

the price was tooooo high for the iraqi people.
main reason not because saddam is a criminal, for sure it was because of the oil, first things american soldiers secured when they got there was oil wells, " and not the iraqi museum in which kies the iraqi history for ages".
what happened in abu ghraib and guantanamu bay says that us only follow un resolutins, geneva, and human rights when that pleases her and only against other countries. but when it comes to its own actions, wipe all of that.
same as happening in uk today

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:26 pm

sallak wrote:the price was tooooo high for the iraqi people.

So nice of you to speak for them all. Which Iraqi people are you speaking of? The ones who agree with terrorism or the ones who welcome democracy for their children's children? Not everybody in Iraq would agree with your agenda.

sallak · Post by **sallak** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:45 pm

dear friend
it's not my agenda. it's the american agenda that we see in iraq.
difference between terrorist and us army is that us army is stronger and internationally oficial, other than that, they r the same. iraqi groups kill citizens" and we call them terrorists for that", and american do the same thing" but in this case, nothing is said to them or maximium we say ooops, it's a mistake, may be next time they'll kill less civillians"

both of them consider civillians as disposable casuality of war

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:20 am

sallak wrote:
both of them consider civillians as disposable casuality of war

No they don't.Terrorists target civillians purposely to cause terror. That is why they are called terrorists. Duh!

sallak · Post by **sallak** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:50 am

yea, right
civillians killed by us army much more than those killed by iraqi groups, and the worse, us never admit they made a mistake.
that if we believe it is " which i don't, and msot people don't " .
best example the attempt to murder the italian jurnalist after she was freed by the iaqi groups, the funny thing she mentioned that iraqis have warned her that us army may try to kill her. and that was right.

us army treat iraqi worse tahn they treat animals. if us citizen was killed, it won't be forgotten that easy, but others as i said are desposable. what happened in abu ghraib proves that. or u might think it wasn't us soldiers who did that?
may be ghosts did it, oh, u mean terrorists, i agree with u then, terrorists did that " us terrorists"

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:46 pm

There is no evidence that Giuliana Sgrena was targeted for murder by anyone except maybe by her terrorist captors.
Given the tone of your post and the way you assume that the terrorists are telling the truth one can only assume that you are a terrorist or a sympathizer yourself. Say"Hi" to Kadaffi Duck for me.

sallak · Post by **sallak** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:15 pm

danyet wrote:one can only assume that you are a terrorist or a sympathizer yourself. Say"Hi" to Kadaffi Duck for me.

well,all i got to say is " grow up"
the usual us action " if u don't agree with us then u r a terrorist"

wake up my friend, till now things are not well between italy and us, coz s have no "convincing reason for y its soldiers shoot on the italian journalist"

sure they have nothing to say
they won't admit that.
today american amy injured 26 iraqi civillians "by mistake", how this could be" u shoot all those ppl and say, oops, mistake"

usa better check its policy to other countries, coz that increase the hatery against it.
god bless iraqi ppl who fight for thier freedom from the us occupation. it's true,i sympathize with them

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:11 pm

sallak wrote: god bless iraqi ppl who fight for thier freedom from the us occupation. it's true,i sympathize with them

You're standing on thin ice here . I hope our troops find you soon.

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:25 pm

sallak wrote:
danyet wrote:one can only assume that you are a terrorist or a sympathizer yourself. Say"Hi" to Kadaffi Duck for me.

well,all i got to say is " grow up"
the usual us action " if u don't agree with us then u r a terrorist"

wake up my friend, till now things are not well between italy and us, coz s have no "convincing reason for y its soldiers shoot on the italian journalist"

sure they have nothing to say
they won't admit that.
today american amy injured 26 iraqi civillians "by mistake", how this could be" u shoot all those ppl and say, oops, mistake"

usa better check its policy to other countries, coz that increase the hatery against it.
god bless iraqi ppl who fight for thier freedom from the us occupation. it's true,i sympathize with them

What Italian journalist? Are you sure that they intentionally assassinated this person. It just doesn't sound right to me. Are you sure this person wasn't caught up in a "friendly fire" situation.

I don't believe for one minute that US troops are acting like terrorists. I also disagree with the fact that fighting for any reason is good. There has always been friction and death in the Middle East. I wish the rest or the World would stay out of it too and let these guys do what you want to each other. If your idea of freedom is living in a dictatorship (Hussein and others) fine. Same thing applies in any other country where the main issues are land and religion!

To me I was thinking that US was actually trying to obtain freedom for people there. Once they go you will have a democratically elected government. Isn't that what you want?

:?

sallak · Post by **sallak** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:07 am

dear friend
what kind of freedom u r talking about? freedom to humiliate civillians the way us military did in abughraib and others prisons?
freedom to bomb innocent civillians in thier homes and in hospitals?, that makes us worse than saddam. at least he knows and we know he's a dictator, and he's not talking about human rights and UN resolutions, and next thing he do, start a war with out approval of UN. that's what bush did.
i believe us govenment is a hypcrait

about the italian journalist, the were no cross fire. it was clear shot for italian convoy, and not a friendly fire.

that weak erxcuse for the war about weapon of mass destruction which appear to be a mere cheap lie .
if US is so interested in "human rights and freedom, and wmd free world" why not starting with its own waepons and nuclear bombs, every body still remember hiroshima and nagazaki.

why supplying israeli troops with those weapons as they use them to kill palestinian kids?
for god's sake they US supply "khmere rouge " in kambudia" , they killed more than 2 millions of theier own ppl thanks to US help, and that was admitted by US defense ministry to ABC news, so u can't deny it.

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:17 am

sallak wrote:dear friend
what kind of freedom u r talking about? freedom to humiliate civillians the way us military did in abughraib and others prisons?
freedom to bomb innocent civillians in thier homes and in hospitals?, that makes us worse than saddam. at least he knows and we know he's a dictator, and he's not talking about human rights and UN resolutions, and next thing he do, start a war with out approval of UN. that's what bush did.
i believe us govenment is a hypcrait

about the italian journalist, the were no cross fire. it was clear shot for italian convoy, and not a friendly fire.

that weak erxcuse for the war about weapon of mass destruction which appear to be a mere cheap lie .
if US is so interested in "human rights and freedom, and wmd free world" why not starting with its own waepons and nuclear bombs, every body still remember hiroshima and nagazaki.

why supplying israeli troops with those weapons as they use them to kill palestinian kids?
for god's sake they US supply "khmere rouge " in kambudia" , they killed more than 2 millions of theier own ppl thanks to US help, and that was admitted by US defense ministry to ABC news, so u can't deny it.

Yeh right

I think you need to move on. I'm going to.

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:29 pm

sallak wrote:yea, right
civillians killed by us army much more than those killed by iraqi groups, and the worse, us never admit they made a mistake.

I do not wanna participate in this topic since Bush forced the US army into war, so he could make a democracy government in Iraq and then leave as a hero blah blah blah...

anyway, where did you get that fact I quoted above? I'd like to read something like this with a fact, ya know.

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:40 pm

sallak wrote: dear friend
what kind of freedom u r talking about? freedom to humiliate civillians the way us military did in abughraib and others prisons?
freedom to bomb innocent civillians in thier homes and in hospitals?, that makes us worse than saddam. at least he knows and we know he's a dictator, and he's not talking about human rights and UN resolutions, and next thing he do, start a war with out approval of UN. that's what bush did.
i believe us govenment is a hypcrait

Hey, I thought the UN was with him... :? What the....? What about England and other countries that were behind his a$$??? Just standing in the background for a group picture?
And you think it's okay that Iraqi people got killed or burried alive days after days under Saddam's government? Just because you know, he knows, we know, everyone knows makes it okay for someone to murder his own citizens? What have they ever done to him? Robbed him blind? Killed his mother? Or what?

sallak wrote: every body still remember hiroshima and nagazaki.

Yes, everyone does, but just think what if those bombs didn't drop, how many more would be killed by the Japanese? I believe if you did a calculation, you would know Japanese had killed way more people during WWI and II than those two bombs combined. So your point with the bombs is.....??? :?

sallak wrote:why supplying israeli troops with those weapons as they use them to kill palestinian kids?

:? Hah?

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:24 am

I dont like Bush , i dont like the USA president who cant stop the war.
Why is Bush still a president, and continue war with Iraq, menace Middle East where has much oil in the world?
My country has only been in peace for 30 years, and i know the hurt war left for us.
And i was also learned history bout 2 bombs in Nagasaki, Hiroshima.
Those the truth we can see.
But there're something we can see, that's hurt USA left for Vietnam .
Have u ever seen children who have to burden the hurt war?
They are not normal as us.
They are as young as me( the gaps after the war ) .
But they seems not the human ,they look so strange, freak cos the poison USA left in Vietnam which we call CHAT DOC MAU DA CAM
It destroyed million ha of forest, and ppl........
Who can understand that hurt?
And now war is still , and Bush is still...........

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:28 am

Plzzzzzzzzzzz, tell me bout ur opinion.
Can u share with us , with poor Vietnamese are hurting????????????

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:03 am

quicksilver7486 wrote:Plzzzzzzzzzzz, tell me bout ur opinion.
Can u share with us , with poor Vietnamese are hurting????????????

It doesn't matter who starts wars, or who finishes it. War is not a good thing; everyone gets hurt.

The problem is that decisions like this are taken by politicians; the majority of people in every country don't agree; but the politicians do it anyway.

One day there will be peace on earth, i really believe this! I do believe that there is alot of good in people.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:50 am

quicksilver7486 wrote:I dont like Bush , i dont like the USA president who cant stop the war.
Why is Bush still a president, and continue war with Iraq, menace Middle East where has much oil in the world?
My country has only been in peace for 30 years, and i know the hurt war left for us.
And i was also learned history bout 2 bombs in Nagasaki, Hiroshima.
Those the truth we can see.
But there're something we can see, that's hurt USA left for Vietnam .
Have u ever seen children who have to burden the hurt war?
They are not normal as us.
They are as young as me( the gaps after the war ) .
But they seems not the human ,they look so strange, freak cos the poison USA left in Vietnam which we call CHAT DOC MAU DA CAM
It destroyed million ha of forest, and ppl........
Who can understand that hurt?
And now war is still , and Bush is still...........

Where do you get your information from? You live in a tightly controlled country. How do you know what you are told on your news is true or what you are taught at school is true?
You have no reason to dislike USA. American soldiers risked their lives to help your people. 58,000 were killed and many thousands more were maimed. And also thousands of soldiers from the other Western nations under the UN, who fought for South Vietnam democracy were killed and injured. Perhaps you are unaware of this because of your form of government.

This is an example.
PLEIKU - For a second day Friday, Vietnamese officials prevented foreign journalists from meeting with members of ethnic minority groups in the Central Highland region who participated in several days of rare violent protests last month. The government's strong reaction to the protests, which have been condemned almost daily in the official press, illustrates the sharp limits on dissent in Vietnam's tightly controlled society. Protests, especially ones challenging government authority, are highly unusual.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guenin/ ... ccessh.htm

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:18 am

"Where do you get your information from? You live in a tightly controlled country. How do you know what you are told on your news is true or what you are taught at school is true? "
Truth is all the things i see everyday.
Truth is that Dyoxin poison .

"You have no reason to dislike USA. American soldiers risked their lives to help your people."
Who told u that i dont like USA, and American?
Read again all the things i typed, i only mention Bush and President who...........Read again
"And also thousands of soldiers from the other Western nations under the UN, who fought for South Vietnam democracy were killed and injured"
So as you , if USA soldiers fought Vietnamese my ppl shouldnt have done anything?
We have to sacrifice to protect our country .
And USA, what did they want to protect?
Now time passes by and i know .
The mistake as i told, doesnt belong to any soldiers, cos they only did as the goverment led.
That 's all.

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:01 am

shazzam1452 wrote:
quicksilver7486 wrote:Plzzzzzzzzzzz, tell me bout ur opinion.
Can u share with us , with poor Vietnamese are hurting????????????
It doesn't matter who starts wars, or who finishes it. War is not a good thing; everyone gets hurt.

The problem is that decisions like this are taken by politicians; the majority of people in every country don't agree; but the politicians do it anyway.

One day there will be peace on earth, i really believe this! I do believe that there is alot of good in people.

Yeah , i hope so , i hope there's no war .
Everybody will live in peace.
Thanks for ur opinion.
Forever roses in Vietnam and the world..........

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:18 pm

quicksilver7486 wrote: So as you , if USA soldiers fought Vietnamese my ppl shouldnt have done anything?

USA soldiers fought alongside the Vietnamese people as friends. They were not enemies. They were asked for help by the Vietnamese to help them fight against northern communist invaders.

You say that you do not like Bush because of USA in Vietnam. You don't make any sense! You still did not say how you get reliable news and infomation. Your news and media are controlled by your government.

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:55 am

Ha ha ha ha ha
I am not controlled by any one ,any thing
I am who i am , i say what i want and what i think .
Vietnamese are very friendly, we dont want to have enemies.
And the curreent news i wanna discuss bout is Bush and the USA presidents who controll the war .
Have to tell u again , not USA soldiers.
And now u see war is still happening in Iraq, by USA.
And the last , i am not controlled by any goverment

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:38 am

You say Vietnamese are friendly and have had peace for 30 years. These are lies. There have been sightings of American and Australian soldiers still being held in Vietnam as prisoners of war. This means you are still at war for these prisoners. Why have these men been kept as prisoners and slaves? This tells us that your government has serious problems. I have already posted a link to a news article that shows that your press and media are not free but controlled by your government , to which you did not respond.

You should clean up your own government's problems BEFORE you talk about Bush.
http://www.powfoia.org/timesad.pdf
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/vw_dod_pow_mia.html

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:45 am

"There have been sightings of American and Australian soldiers still being held in Vietnam as prisoners of war. This means you are still at war for these prisoners"
Ha , who prisioners?
We keep ur ppl?

So funny , it's a fiction
Hey , if we keep ur ppl , Bush wont let us still.
Maybe there will be war in Vietnam again ......

Any way , i dont want have an agurment with u .
U know nothing bout the truth bout the action of UAS in Vietnam

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:55 am

quicksilver7486 wrote:
"There have been sightings of American and Australian soldiers still being held in Vietnam as prisoners of war. This means you are still at war for these prisoners"
Ha , who prisioners?
We keep ur ppl?

So funny , it's a fiction
Hey , if we keep ur ppl , Bush wont let us still.
Maybe there will be war in Vietnam again ......
Any way , i dont want have an agurment with u .
U know nothing bout the truth bout the action of UAS in Vietnam

What is so funny?

:? I don't understand "there have been sightings of American and Australian soldiers still being held in vietnam" and you add

do you find that amusing somehow?

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:08 am

i find it funny is when i heard that there're soldiers in Vietnam

Where?
So funny, as i told u , if it was truth Bush wouldnt let us still.
And the info "USA soldiers in Vietnam ".........is a fiction.

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:20 pm

quicksilver7486 wrote:i find it funny is when i heard that there're soldiers in Vietnam
Where?
So funny, as i told u , if it was truth Bush wouldnt let us still.
And the info "USA soldiers in Vietnam ".........is a fiction.

I understand your opinion but i think your reaction is really inappropriate. None of this is a laughing matter. I'm glad that you are a happy person, but you need to keep some perspective in such a serious forum, as it could be taken the wrong way.

The other thing is that I'm not in favour of the war in Iraq by any means; but i'm sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World.

quicksilver · Post by **quicksilver** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:58 pm

ha, USA is being blamed?

i dont metion USA ppl, cos they dont do anything harmful
USA is always the country fights other countries, that's not true?
Have u ever heard that other countries fight USA?
About Iraq , now, Iraq or USA started?
About DONG DUONG ( Vietnam , Lao , Cambodia).......and Japan, Korea....Plz think

vince90 · Post by **vince90** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:35 pm

shazzam1452 wrote:
quicksilver7486 wrote:i find it funny is when i heard that there're soldiers in Vietnam
Where?
So funny, as i told u , if it was truth Bush wouldnt let us still.
And the info "USA soldiers in Vietnam ".........is a fiction.
I understand your opinion but i think your reaction is really inappropriate. None of this is a laughing matter. I'm glad that you are a happy person, but you need to keep some perspective in such a serious forum, as it could be taken the wrong way.

The other thing is that I'm not in favour of the war in Iraq by any means; but i'm sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World.

I don’t suppose to be here, but thanks to make me fell better.

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:15 pm

vince90 wrote:
shazzam1452 wrote:
quicksilver7486 wrote:i find it funny is when i heard that there're soldiers in Vietnam
Where?
So funny, as i told u , if it was truth Bush wouldnt let us still.
And the info "USA soldiers in Vietnam ".........is a fiction.
I understand your opinion but i think your reaction is really inappropriate. None of this is a laughing matter. I'm glad that you are a happy person, but you need to keep some perspective in such a serious forum, as it could be taken the wrong way.

The other thing is that I'm not in favour of the war in Iraq by any means; but i'm sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World.

I don’t suppose to be here, but thanks to make me fell better.

Sorry but I don't understand you post. Can you please try and explain it to me. :?

vince90 · Post by **vince90** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:40 pm

shazzam1452 wrote:
vince90 wrote:
shazzam1452 wrote: I understand your opinion but i think your reaction is really inappropriate. None of this is a laughing matter. I'm glad that you are a happy person, but you need to keep some perspective in such a serious forum, as it could be taken the wrong way.

The other thing is that I'm not in favour of the war in Iraq by any means; but i'm sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World.

I don’t suppose to be here, but thanks to make me fell better.
Sorry but I don't understand you post. Can you please try and explain it to me. :?

I mean it bothers me when people blame on US for every problem around the world. I know it is not true but I rather keep my mouth shut. You the one who said “ I’m sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World”. It makes me feel better and I thanks for that.

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:53 pm

danyet wrote: USA soldiers fought alongside the Vietnamese people as friends. They were not enemies. They were asked for help by the Vietnamese to help them fight against northern communist invaders.

This information is authorized by the government. People who are born after 1975 are not supposed to know that. Don't tell them or you'll get your a$$ on their list, and you'll get into trouble if you happen to visit Vietnam (well, if you will in the future).

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:54 pm

vince90 wrote: I mean it bothers me when people blame on US for every problem around the world. I know it is not true but I rather keep my mouth shut. You the one who said “ I’m sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World”. It makes me feel better and I thanks for that.

Exactly, Vince.

Shazzam · Post by **Shazzam** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:02 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
vince90 wrote: I mean it bothers me when people blame on US for every problem around the world. I know it is not true but I rather keep my mouth shut. You the one who said “ I’m sick and tired of the US being blamed for every single problem that has happened in the World”. It makes me feel better and I thanks for that.
Exactly, Vince.

Sorry Vince I didn't understand it; but now I do thankyou. :D