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You think so? I think those evidences didn't do him justice. They were just for the prosecutors who wanted some fame and families who wanted a pinch of Jackson's money. Most of the boy who had to testify told the court that they did not sleep with Michael. Also, they were free in Neverland. To me, he's a celebrity to has mental problems, but not a child molestor.Ms.A.Z wrote:HI
I saw Micheal Jackson's news on a program called 20/20 in MBC 4 and I really feel like he is guilty. Every evidence is against him but Im sure he will win this time too and set free.
but not me. I must admit my opinion is starting to change. I feel so sorry for him he has some pretty heavy demons in his wardrobe. It seems strange to me that his family hasn't been there during the course of his life (much) and they are there now. It all seems to be a little too late. I really won't be surprised at all if a GUILTY verdict is found in this case. There have been too many payoffs; not this time. 
Yes! I've watched his biography movie. Up till now I don't think anyone in the music industry could achieve what he has had. I could be wrong, though. But to me, no one could.shazzam1452 wrote: I'm a massive fan of Michael Jacksons talent. During the 70's and 80's he was definately KING of the music industry. I don't think anyone would deny that.
Really? It's different for me. At first, I believed he was guilty because the case was strange and semi-sexual. But it has been too strange that I've been starting to doubt myself. I'm starting to think if the whole case has been what the media want me to see or there are more to it.shazzam1452 wrote: I have watched and waited as all the events of the last several years have unfolded against him. Everyone around me believed he was guilty
If it's not about that, they wouldn't try to nail him. Trying to prove he's slept with those kids is all they have. If they could prove it, he could face years in jail, pay the fines and register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Proving that he's masturbated and kept pornos wouldn't do much for the case. They're just examples that those might be reasons why he is interested in kids, but they're not proves that he's slept with them. The prosecutors have been working really hard to find the way to convince the Judge; however, there is still some doubt since the lawyer who sues him has been on his back for years. He's failed once and now he's trying again. If he won this case, he would have million of dollars and fame. In addition, the families who sue him are poor. Most of them need money badly and as we know money is the source of all evil and good. They can lie to get the money or they're telling the truth, we don't know. I seriously don't know and think which side I should believe.shazzam1452 wrote: I really don't think the issue here is about sexual intercourse (or sleeping with children). He is into the masterbation side of things ; which is really worrying. Most of the testamonies given (present and past) have related to feeling, touching, oral sex etc. From what I have read on these sorts of topics that is usually the way the offenders work.
It's funny that those families knew he was psycho and all, but they still let their kids stay at Neverland. The boys, at first, denied they were sexually harrassed. Now, they've changed their words--they were sexually harrassed. What made them change their words? What? What? Please, tell us the truth. :?shazzam1452 wrote:It also seems that most of the victims have come from unstable family backgrounds (another sure fire sign). These are usually easier targets; as they are looking for attention and love.
Its all really sad. He has not only ruined his life but taken so many young soles with him.
I know what you mean but the thing is are those video tapes they say they have real? :? It's hard to say.shazzam1452 wrote:I can agree with some of your thoughts for sure. The only confusion is from what I have gathered about the case it isn't that he masturbates on his own; he does it in front of minors and then he assists them with masturbation. Those actions are criminal and you can be prosecuted for that; you don't have to have sexual intercourse to be prosecuted under the Crime Act. There seems that there is a long history of this type of behaviour. I think that is why the prosectution is going after him with such vigor. If these people are all lying god help them
Sorry, I forgot to answer your postshazzam1452 wrote:What Video tapes? Any info? I haven't heard about any videos; we only get very limited daily coverage (not a big issue here). Tell me more? ;)
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How's that, Dix? A person like him might be freed in your country?Dixie wrote:Let's wait for the results, although I don't care about them at all. If he's guilty, he should go to prison (although if the American system is like the Spanish one, he might be freed immediately).
The case has been going for too long. One of the jurors got kicked out of the team, Jacko is selling his Beatle collection ( I think), etc.seal wrote:Quiet honestly I don't know what to do think about him. The whole thing is very confusing me. I wonder how the jury will decide.
Oh, I get it now. :)Dixie wrote:I mean that our law system is so bad that criminals are freed after some years in prison "for good behavior". Penoso, verdad?
Agree with you totally. I mean, what kinda loudsy parents are they? Letting their kids stay at Neverland, letting them sleep in the same bed with a psycho and sueing the guy for sleeping the same bed with their children--what the hell?!!?!?!?!?shazzam1452 wrote:I think the parents of the children involved in this case should be on trial, for too many reasons to list! Firstly and foremost explotation. I mean really who in their right mind (as a parent) would allow their children to share a bed with a grown man...it is neglect on their part. Putting the prosecutors etc in the middle doesn't help the case. They are just doing their jobs.
Just my opinion.
leen@rasel wrote:IBLIEVE THAT HE IS GUILTY BECAUSE EVEN THE JURY BLIEVED SO BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THERE WERE NO ENUOGH EVIDENCE AND THE BOUYS WHO WERE FRIEND OF HIM WERE ALL STARS THEY HAVE POWER HE CANT HURT THEM BECAUSE HE WILL BE IN A BIG TROUBLE :x
One, don't do capital. It hurts my eyes to read your post. I know you're trying to show that you're angry, but don't you think smileys would do a fine job?leen@rasel wrote:IBLIEVE THAT HE IS GUILTY BECAUSE EVEN THE JURY BLIEVED SO BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THERE WERE NO ENUOGH EVIDENCE AND THE BOUYS WHO WERE FRIEND OF HIM WERE ALL STARS THEY HAVE POWER HE CANT HURT THEM BECAUSE HE WILL BE IN A BIG TROUBLE :x
shazzam1452 wrote:I think the parents of the children involved in this case should be on trial, for too many reasons to list! Firstly and foremost explotation. I mean really who in their right mind (as a parent) would allow their children to share a bed with a grown man...it is neglect on their part. Putting the prosecutors etc in the middle doesn't help the case. They are just doing their jobs.
Just my opinion.
I don't know if he's helped other people are not, but I must admit enough is enough. If those families need money that bad, work for it then. Money doesn't grow on trees, and what's so hard to work for food and other expenses in the States? Some people are just too rotten to be slaves of money although it has something to do with their souls.Sigmaboy wrote:This is the biggest current news.
I think everyone could make mistakes,rather that Michael Jackson is aslo a normal person,he also could do some unbelieve things,even he is famous. He gave us so many happy things and wouderful music and great dance, we all should forgive him! Don't allways catch his mistakes to defeat him untill he is in prison or dead. Think about his past, his contribution to our world,not only music ,entertainment,but he also helped many persons out of charity! In china, if he did many good things or he was orginally a good person ,when he make mistakes ,our will think about all his before! We also should do like this
I support you ,Michail!!
How about the other around? Money can buy everything that it makes people sold their souls to tell lies, to sell their kids in the process of adult's problems.hedwig14 wrote:money can buy everything...
that's what we should always remember.. we might say money couldn't buy our dignity, principle. all of them are big lies now..
michael jackson has lots of money.. i guess he's guilty. but it's really hard to prove it since he's a very popular and influencing people...
i just said, i guess...
I actually think the same. He's been guilty to me all along...Dixie wrote:leen__rasel wrote:IBLIEVE THAT HE IS GUILTY BECAUSE EVEN THE JURY BLIEVED SO BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THERE WERE NO ENUOGH EVIDENCE AND THE BOUYS WHO WERE FRIEND OF HIM WERE ALL STARS THEY HAVE POWER HE CANT HURT THEM BECAUSE HE WILL BE IN A BIG TROUBLE :x
He was born on 28th August, 1958. He turned 47 this year.mr_Love wrote:how old is he now???
At the risk of getting into another religious battle I must put it to you. Perhaps M Jackson still has fans for the same reason that the Catholic church still has fans even after The Inquisition.shazzam1452 wrote:Michael Jackson has made his first public appearance since the trial in London a few days ago. Apparently he was swarmed by fans; they still love him.
It is such a shame ; because quite frankly why does he still have fans.
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So are you saying that Michael Jackson is like religion? :?danyet wrote:At the risk of getting into another religious battle I must put it to you. Perhaps M Jackson still has fans for the same reason that the Catholic church still has fans even after The Inquisition.shazzam1452 wrote:Michael Jackson has made his first public appearance since the trial in London a few days ago. Apparently he was swarmed by fans; they still love him.
It is such a shame ; because quite frankly why does he still have fans.
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Someone likes him is hard to find. I meant, musical skills, not the other areashazzam1452 wrote:Michael Jackson has made his first public appearance since the trial in London a few days ago. Apparently he was swarmed by fans; they still love him.
It is such a shame ; because quite frankly why does he still have fans. I used to love his music; but when was the last time he released a hit. I can't remember.
He is a has been. Simple and true. The media needs to move on to people that are actually doing something; not people that used to do something?
. Thus, I think just because he doesn't release new albums we should forget him. A talented person is always appreciated through time. In addition, I think he's one of the idols that the old generation have left to admire of-- he reminds them of the old days. Just imagine how stupid it would be if the old generations were fans of the young ones like Hillary Duff, Christina Aguilera .The fans that I saw on the television that were swamping him in England weren't older people Lenny they were people ranging from 17-20's from what I saw!LennyeTran wrote:Someone likes him is hard to find. I meant, musical skills, not the other areashazzam1452 wrote:Michael Jackson has made his first public appearance since the trial in London a few days ago. Apparently he was swarmed by fans; they still love him.
It is such a shame ; because quite frankly why does he still have fans. I used to love his music; but when was the last time he released a hit. I can't remember.
He is a has been. Simple and true. The media needs to move on to people that are actually doing something; not people that used to do something?
Well, you have to admit his old albums are still way better than most the young ones' albums. Right? So if the old is gold, why turn our backs away from it? 8)shazzam1452 wrote: The fans that I saw on the television that were swamping him in England weren't older people Lenny they were people ranging from 17-20's from what I saw!
I agree that he is music is great. I must admit I think is old hat though. If he still wants adulation he needs to write a new album and do something. He can't keep sitting back on works he produced decades ago.LennyeTran wrote:Well, you have to admit his old albums are still way better than most the young ones' albums. Right? So if the old is gold, why turn our backs away from it? 8)shazzam1452 wrote: The fans that I saw on the television that were swamping him in England weren't older people Lenny they were people ranging from 17-20's from what I saw!
You know what, actually I prefer it this way. He's had a good time, and now it's turn for the young ones to make their moves. I'm okay with him trying to relive his moments, but trying to rebuild it is quite meh to me unless his new album is a promise of best of the best (whatever this meansshazzam1452 wrote:I agree that he is music is great. I must admit I think is old hat though. If he still wants adulation he needs to write a new album and do something. He can't keep sitting back on works he produced decades ago.
).Funny you should say that because alot of people felt the same way about artists like TINA TURNER and DAVID BOWIE and they did great things when the restarted their careers. I just think if he is going to do something he had better do it really soon. People get sick of has beens quickly. Especially ones with the sort of repututation that he is gaining.LennyeTran wrote:You know what, actually I prefer it this way. He's had a good time, and now it's turn for the young ones to make their moves. I'm okay with him trying to relive his moments, but trying to rebuild it is quite meh to me unless his new album is a promise of best of the best (whatever this meansshazzam1452 wrote:I agree that he is music is great. I must admit I think is old hat though. If he still wants adulation he needs to write a new album and do something. He can't keep sitting back on works he produced decades ago.
But on the other hand, with the reputation he's having right now, he might not have as many people who will be curious in his new album. I mean, if he waited for awhile and then popped up the new album, peope would be really curious, "hmmm let's see what this guy is up to? New album? I wonder if it's good?" However, if he started right now, some people would be, "I'm not gonna listen to that children molester's music." A lot of negative effects are still going on. I think if he wanted to rebuild his past moment, he should wait for the tension to cool down (I don't think it'll ever be off since he's titled as a children molester even he won the case). To me, when people are no longer angry, they would transfer their feelings to curiosity to someone they were angry with. Don't you think?shazzam1452 wrote:Funny you should say that because alot of people felt the same way about artists like TINA TURNER and DAVID BOWIE and they did great things when the restarted their careers. I just think if he is going to do something he had better do it really soon. People get sick of has beens quickly. Especially ones with the sort of repututation that he is gaining.
I mean what is that about? I am not sure ,,Shazzam wrote:I heard yesterday that Michael Jackson has been living in Bahrain since the end of his trial.
as I know, In usa have SO many people s in favor of him and hate him!!!LennyeTran wrote:The case has been going for too long. One of the jurors got kicked out of the team, Jacko is selling his Beatle collection ( I think), etc.seal wrote:Quiet honestly I don't know what to do think about him. The whole thing is very confusing me. I wonder how the jury will decide.
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/05-30-2 ... a7b5c.html
If he's found guilty, he could face up to 20 years in prison. *sigh*.......
about the case which I hear of many time ...i remember during the period , alway have guy stay out to throw stones at him... i ever so hate it when happening!! i hate him can't face up to the fact....