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Terry is dead.

Postby real_lord » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:50 pm

What do you think about this? Is this death right or wrong?
What is your opinion?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4399555.stm

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Postby Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:56 am

It's a complicated case! There are too many of he said, she said, they said......
He said: it's her wish to not living a life like that.
She said: nowrdfoagnadrfameorzfdafdnaofdanf. We don't know what she said before she collapsed. It's quite sad and unfortunate.
They said: she could have had better treatment......
When I was looking at her picture when she was young and looking pretty attractive before the collapse, I felt a bit bitter. If she didn't have the eating disorder condition, she wouldn't have desvatated brain injury; therefore, she wouldn't spend 15 years of her life on a vegetative state depending on a feeding tube. If I was her, I don't think I would wish to live a life which I didn't know anything and had to rely on a tube to live. Also, I had wasted time and money of my beloved ones. I'd rather end my life and let them miss me as who I was than let them look at me everyday with suffering that they couldn't do much to help. It's sad, I tell ya, it's really sad.
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Hmmm....

Postby real_lord » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:50 am

Your letter is one big hmmm...hmmm...hmmm... for me. For many years it has been totally clear we should defend life. People has been in agony for several days, weeks, close people were crying over them and marking cross signs on their foreheads when they couldnot ease their pain. The cross signs were done because Jesus Christ died on cross and had suffered great physical pain before he died. In gospels we even have descriptions of one Roman soldier who took his spear and wanted to ease his pain on the cross via puncturing his heart with his spear. But Christ has already died. As far as I know Terri (not Terry) -sorry, don't have too much time - didn't suffer! She was unconscious! Moreover she died starved after 2 weeks! It means she had strong body/strong organism! Her husband - as far as I know - didn't allow her parents to be present at the death of theirs daughter. Is it normal? He has - as far as I know - new family- new wife, kids - everyone healthy. Couldn't he THE MORE give a chance of LIFE to her first wife?!
For me it's a normal murder and he is a normal murderer! What a strange law you have in your US! Law that suppors murderers!
And they say Europe is worst. I really have doubts:(((
Nice day:)))
real_lord:(((
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Postby Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:37 pm

One point, I think you forget the fact that she was under a vegetative state, which means her body functioned as normal but her brain had stopped functioning what it was supposed to do. In another words, she was alive, but had a live as like a dead person, don't you think? When they disconnected the feeding tube, there was no nutrients for the cells in her body to survive; therefore, they'd stopped functioning. That's how she is dead, but wasn't her already dead from the beginning :?: :?: :?: ?????
Another point, you've brought up Christianity so let's talk about it. When a Christian lady gets married, her father hands her to her husband on the wedding day to let him taking care of her for the rest of her life. So, it means they've already handed over their responsibility of her personal life to a new person, right? They no longer involve in her personal matters except her husband and herself; they're one now. Isn't that right? Correct me if I'm wrong because that's how I see it as for a Christian wedding. If I'm right then her husband has the right to do what he thinks is best for her and under the US law, oral will counts. I think that's the reason why he's won the case. He's said over and over that it was her wish to not live a life like that.
One more point, if you were her, what would you do? Would you rather live a life like that and let your parents or husband to take care of you or you'd rather go so they all could move on with their lives? What would you do????
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Oh LORD!

Postby real_lord » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:46 pm

Simply - you seem to boil down all christianity to marriage?!?
Don't be so simple, beg you. Nothing nowhere is told - as far as I know about any fathers or husbands responsible for their daughters/wives. There is Jewish tradition, not Christian.
Besides neither Christ nor any of his closest disciples weren't married (during time of their living together and after Christ's death at least). Besides, Gospel isnot about marrying. Once Jesus told even to someone: "Man, I am not sent to care about will of your father" or something like that. Jesus was mostly healing ill and crippled people. And he disliked Jewish religious leaders. Man and woman should live together of course and be one body or what - YES. But in bed, girl. In spite of that, I don't know anything about being subdued to anyone (my father including). I am not Jewish (neither Hindu -probably)! Wake up, please:)))
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PS.

Postby real_lord » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:51 pm

Oh! And I forgot about Terri. YES- her life wasnot too interesting since her terrible accident ( I must admit). And I would prefer not to live 15 years or what in such a state (must admit too). But I must also admit I wouldnot like to be STARVING for almost two weeks!!!
I am happy not to live there cause I would have to write every day and every day again I don't want to be starved by some nurses!!! NO WAY!!!
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Re: Oh LORD!

Postby Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:16 pm

real_lord wrote:Simply - you seem to boil down all christianity to marriage?!?
Don't be so simple, beg you. Nothing nowhere is told - as far as I know about any fathers or husbands responsible for their daughters/wives. There is Jewish tradition, not Christian.
Besides neither Christ nor any of his closest disciples weren't married (during time of their living together and after Christ's death at least). Besides, Gospel isnot about marrying. Once Jesus told even to someone: "Man, I am not sent to care about will of your father" or something like that. Jesus was mostly healing ill and crippled people. And he disliked Jewish religious leaders. Man and woman should live together of course and be one body or what - YES. But in bed, girl. In spite of that, I don't know anything about being subdued to anyone (my father including). I am not Jewish (neither Hindu -probably)! Wake up, please:)))
real_lord

I'll get back at you with this whole Christianity and Jesus. I've gotta ask my boyfriend first.
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Yes, I do believe

Postby real_lord » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:24 pm

your boyfirend will explain you everything.
Hope he is rich enough.
If not - the more health and happiness I wish to both of you.
Specially in bed cause as I presume any renting problems in US.
Unfortunatelly, Jesus Christ didn't predict in his speeches my problems with mentally crippled Polish people.
But it seems to me I found my way in life and three lovers of mine sure when only I finisg my studies, dear child.
Besides - what can I say? Trust to your boyfriend, do trust him in everything (specially in flat) very much, and I wish to see your happy letters here in 10 years here still...
8)
real_lord
PS. I am not planning any stupid mistakes here never ever, dear kid and everyone else.
Bye:)))
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Re: PS.

Postby Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:25 pm

real_lord wrote:Oh! And I forgot about Terri. YES- her life wasnot too interesting since her terrible accident ( I must admit). And I would prefer not to live 15 years or what in such a state (must admit too). But I must also admit I wouldnot like to be STARVING for almost two weeks!!!
I am happy not to live there cause I would have to write every day and every day again I don't want to be starved by some nurses!!! NO WAY!!!
real_lord

Do you think you would feel any pain when your brain has already stopped functioning or sending chemical signals from the the nerves that are responsible for those responses???? When they took out the tube, her body's cells did not have enough nutrients to carry on their functions; therefore, cells started to die, couldn't carry blood or oxygen to heart and that's how she died. To my belief, if she could response or had a chance to recover, they wouldn't accept to take off the tube. Fifteen years of being hospitalized and she had not show a sign that she would recover in any day. If I were her, I would not choose to live like that :roll: .
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Re: Yes, I do believe

Postby Guest » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:30 pm

real_lord wrote:your boyfirend will explain you everything.
Hope he is rich enough.


He's a Catholic although he doesn't go to church on the weekends like he's supposed to do, he still knows enough about it. Besides, he'd love to see me convert so it would make it easider for us when we decide to get married, I bet he would love to tell me all about Christianity when I ask him about it.
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