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Postby MissLT » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:06 pm

phantomer wrote:http://images.google.com.tr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.komikparti.org/upload/0taraf.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.komikparti.org/default.asp%3Fid%3D230&h=300&w=390&sz=25&tbnid=sDk7ntWws2AJ:&tbnh=92&tbnw=120&hl=tr&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%25C4%25B1rak%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dtr%26lr%3D

plese click this site and remember what abd did in ıraq
the peacefull american people..i think we can not describe them as people...animals dont do it eachother but americans do and document their photos to show their groundchilds what a wild mans they were...
there are lots of web sites and hundreds of photo like that...
so please americans and their flatterers;
do not mention about peace
do not mention about humanity

just be sorry and pray for poor not only ıraqians but also all people who americans crashes all over the world...

Excuse me, children in the Third World countries work 12 cents a day to feed their families and some of the still get beaten up by their alcoholic or gambling addicted parents. Little girls in those countries still get arranged marriages. Some of them get sold to brothels. Should I go on more of what is happening to children around the world, and not just in America?
And "we cannot describe them as humans" and "animals don't do it to each other but americans do"??? Excuse me, when you make a comparison between humans and animals, you indirectly take away the rights of animals. Also, please don't show those pictures anymore. I find them extremely disturbing. A person with a sicko mind can do it with no trouble with photoshop, you know.
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Postby phantomer » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:33 pm

ok guy...

i am agree with you about the children in the 3rd world countries.

but do not want me to believe usa is a defencer country of humanrights in the world. usa just defence their profits..is it normal? yes of course..all countries have to defence their profits, this is the normalist right they have..so, what is the problem? it is which way countries follow when they defence their profits..

the way usa follow in iraq is out of humanity..yes you want to get more petroleum, you want a base in the middleaest for your futuristic ideas, may be you want to obtain peace in iraq, as a matter of fact you want to obscure more land..all of them can be described normal intentions for countries..it is war..but war also has their own rules designated by international treaties..

but, when trying to realize their aim, any country can not allow their army to kill children, babies, civilians,etc....can not allow tortures in their jails...can not allow their wild people to take photos when they torture to other countries' babies, children and civilian people..

at last, all of us know that the photos didnt do with photoshop..the usa person who took photos like this are being judged by usa military courts..they are real..i really dont want to be real but they are..
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Postby MissLT » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:18 am

Okay, clearly we're not gonna board on the same platform together, so why don't you give me the proof that those pictures were not products of photoshop? Remember, with today technology an amateur could make those pictures if that person takes a bit of time to learn about photoshop. If they could airbrush a model from size 6 to size 2 in pictures, then it's possible to do anything with photoshop.
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Postby phantomer » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:49 am

if the photos were taken by usa troops in the usa jails producted with photoshop why usa punished their own personnel because of their tortures...the government accepted this torture but you dont..its your choice...of course i can not give you a proof...
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Postby Unknownsu » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:17 pm

Lennye, it's true, the torturing of Iraqi prisoners in Iraqi jails was a major scandal in the US. Chances are those photos are real. An amateur who takes a bit of time to study photoshop wouldn't be able to produce something like that. It is possible the photo is a fake but the torture of prisoners is not.

phantomer, if what you say is true, then there are not many "people" living in this world. We're just all animals. With war comes war crimes. Every country has committed an atrocity in one form or another and I'm sure Turkey is not exempt. Take the Japanese for example, what they did in WWII in China is so cruel and vicious, for a Christian, it would be a sin just to think about it. Not every American wanted this war in Iraq and Bush will never admit it to be his fault (very similar to the Vietnam War) but the world is so caught up in American politics that we tend to let our passion overcome our reasoning.
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Postby MissLT » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:29 am

Unknownsu wrote:Lennye, it's true, the torturing of Iraqi prisoners in Iraqi jails was a major scandal in the US. Chances are those photos are real. An amateur who takes a bit of time to study photoshop wouldn't be able to produce something like that. It is possible the photo is a fake but the torture of prisoners is not.

Well, even if the photos were real, I still wouldn't wanna believe it based on the way he talked. This is what he said, "i think we can not describe them as people...animals dont do it eachother but americans do and document their photos to show their groundchilds what a wild mans they were...". I, myself, would rather choose to be an ignorant than believing in people with prejudiced opinions.
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Postby Admiral » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:16 am

I don't know why americans think that they are the saviors of the world and from whom they got the priviledge to unify the world under their nationality.
http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/manifest/manif1.htm#man

".... the right of our manifest destiny to over spread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federaltive development of self government entrusted to us. It is right such as that of the tree to the space of air and the earth suitable for the full expansion of its principle and destiny of growth." (Brinkley 352)


Do you think that "destiny" is a good reason to overspread the continent and to conquer other people?
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Postby phantomer » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:33 am

Lennye

ok, i accept, a made a mistake when describing usa troops as "americans"..in fact i know not all of americans support this war and bushs politics..but as i said the war is acceptable..maybe usa has valid reasons to be in iraq, for their profits..but in spite off all, torture, killing babies, women, civilians is not acceptable...and i think you do not support this kind of behaviours and of course anybody must not..


unknownsu said me "if what you say is true, then there are not many "people" living in this world. We're just all animals. With war comes war crimes. Every country has committed an atrocity in one form or another and I'm sure Turkey is not exempt."

yes you are right, there arent many...and you, if we behave like them we are just all animals..but i tihnk you arent right "war comes war crimes"..lots of treaty countries have, and according to these teraties wars' rules were designated, and countries signed them...though you are in a war but you cant do whatever you want for winning the war...

also, i dont want to be seen as racist but i am sure Türkiye is exempt..through the centuries, Türks were in war against lots of countries..but neither they were fighting nor after occupation, Türks did not damage any work of art and also did not injure any civilian..

some examples about Türks..
When conquer the İstanbul, the great conquerer Fatih Sultan Mehmed published some rules to his troops about the work of arts and old owners of İstanbul..according to that, any Ottoman didnt damage none of arts iclude Hajia Sophia and others, didnt forced any byzantianes people to be Muslim, didnt want them to kneel down before Sultan..and for centuries these go on and on like this...

and one example from Atatürk, the founder of the republic of Türkiye..after their occupation in 1918, greeks (sons of byzatienes) has commited atrocity in the western Anatolia..they set on fire lots of cities, they violated our grand grand mothers, killed babies and old peoples..when their commender came to İzmir, the westest city of Anatolia, he stepped on a Türk flag that was spread by his men to enter their headquarter..after four years Türks put out them from Anatolia, and our commander Atatürk came to İzmir with his soldiers..he also went to same headquarter..the people who couldnt forget greeks did, spreat greek flag in front of the enter..when he saw it, Atatürk ordered his soldiers to get the flag from there..he want them to clean it and bring to him again..he presented the flag to greek commender who was taken captive by Türks when he showing honour to his colleague...

so not every country has committed an atrocity in one form or another...and i am sure Türkiye is exempt...
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Postby Unknownsu » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:21 pm

LennyeTran wrote:Well, even if the photos were real, I still wouldn't wanna believe it based on the way he talked. This is what he said, "i think we can not describe them as people...animals dont do it eachother but americans do and document their photos to show their groundchilds what a wild mans they were...". I, myself, would rather choose to be an ignorant than believing in people with prejudiced opinions.


How can it be prejudice when it's real since this person is stating what he saw and believed? CNN interviewed two former guards at the prison who did not partake in any of the torture rituals and found that these two guys wake up screaming every night to what they saw in the Iraqi prison. One can't even consider himself American anymore.

If you are going to torture (both mentally and physically) another human being for your own pleasure, you forfeit your right as a human being.
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Postby Unknownsu » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:54 pm

Turkey has never committed war crimes? Ever? Forgive me if I cannot believe that. Either you are brainwashed by continuous propaganda or you are suffering the similar fate of young Japanese today where their history books are completely wiped clean of all their inhumane acts of WWII.

Perhaps you should visit these sites...

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/7758/

"The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail." - William W. Howard, 1896, An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/chro.e.html

The Greek Holocaust of Thrace, Asia Minor and Pontos
http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/gree.e.html

The Armenian Genocide
http://www.teachgenocide.org/files/News ... arious.pdf
http://www.cedarland.org/armenia.html

And let us not forget the illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus
http://www.heureka.clara.net/sunrise/cypdiv.htm

Maybe you should visit my other topic here:

http://www.englishclub.com/esl-forums/v ... hp?t=35279
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