Muhammed is the super star of western press/LINK TO CARTOONS

[ahmads]

the people who wants to built hate between people

And who are they?

the people who don't have open thinking,
regardless their countries .
and we can find a lack of schooling and education anywhere.
and we can't judge people by a group ...for example:
american army and english army burn the MOSQUEs.every day in iraq.
if we judge people by a group so we can say ,,all american are bad ,,and all british are bad too,,
and there are many nationalities:
like Spain army and and and kill people in iraq ..
and the people who have high education mustn't use press to MOCK people ..

[ahmads]

I want to ask you if someone
produces a film about the sematic what the world will do ?

Excuse my ignorance, I don't know what sematic is And, for me, as long as they don't attempt human rights, it's ok!

I mean judaism

[ahmads]

and I want to tell you I don't like Burning buildings and and ,,and there are many people here are like me

[ahmads]

Excuse my ignorance, I don't know what sematic is And, for me, as long as they don't attempt human rights, it's ok!

can you tell me what the meaning of human rights is for you(I don't mean you personally ,I mean in the europa )?
P.S:this is a debate.not fighting ,so take my word friendly,,ok

[Dixie]

can you tell me what the meaning of human rights is for you(I don't mean you personally ,I mean in the europa )?
P.S:this is a debate.not fighting ,so take my word friendly,,ok

Ahmads I don't think there's a need for me to explain to you what human rights are, you're smart enough.

[MissLT]

That reaction is, in my opinion, the result of a lack of schooling and education: educated people will never behave that way. Killing people? Burning buildings? Why? Because of some caricatures? Because of a joke? And don't you even dare tell me that Mohammed this or Mohammed that, this is simply not right. Be clever, learn to laugh at yourselves and you'll have a happier life.

I want to ask you if someone
produces a film about the sematic what the world will do ?

Did you see Passion of the Christ? The Jews were pissed because they said it was not accurate, but that was all they did. Nothing more!

You guys have to sit back and think about your actions. The more dramatic things you do to get your voices heard about this disrespecting thing, the more people will be scared and have personal prejudice about your religion. Talk about it. Protest. But don't burn down buildings, flags, throw stones, etc.

You said he was sent from God, and you respect him or listen to what he said because it was from God. Then you should realize what you're doing now will be judge by others who think, "Is it really how God wanted these people to behave?" There's a saying in Buddhism said, "If you spit to the sky, your spit will fall back to your face!" It's the same for these caricatures about Muhammad. If you think it's not the truth, then the spit will fall back on them. Think about it!

[lambliver]

Hello. Today we all are eyewitnesses of a new circuit of the old conflict between two civilizations western and eastern (Muslim). Arabs all over the world set on fire flags of western countries threaten taking hostages and breaking down western embassies. All this began due to printing some ridiculous pictures of the Muslim prophet in western press.

Where's the freedom of speech? Where's the freedom of expression? In the end we won't even be able to say hi to our neighbor.

That reaction is, in my opinion, the result of a lack of schooling and education: educated people will never behave that way. Killing people? Burning buildings? Why? Because of some caricatures? Because of a joke? And don't you even dare tell me that Mohammed this or Mohammed that, this is simply not right. Be clever, learn to laugh at yourselves and you'll have a happier life.

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

[MissLT]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Is there an internation law says that we can't?

[Dixie]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Who says that? So do you support those vandalic acts? Do you support murder to justify a joke? Are you insane?

[ahmads]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Is there an internation law says that we can't?

certainly no,,,
and this answer expresses the difference between humans and robots

[ahmads]

can you tell me what the meaning of human rights is for you(I don't mean you personally ,I mean in the europa )?
P.S:this is a debate.not fighting ,so take my word friendly,,ok

Ahmads I don't think there's a need for me to explain to you what human rights are, you're smart enough.

thank you for calling me smart ...
when I asked you,I meant ,,
the first think in the humans right is:
respect between people ...
the respect between people builds the love not hate

[ahmads]

Did you see Passion of the Christ? The Jews were pissed because they said it was not accurate, but that was all they did. Nothing more!

You guys have to sit back and think about your actions. The more dramatic things you do to get your voices heard about this disrespecting thing, the more people will be scared and have personal prejudice about your religion. Talk about it. Protest. But don't burn down buildings, flags, throw stones, etc.

You said he was sent from God, and you respect him or listen to what he said because it was from God. Then you should realize what you're doing now will be judge by others who think, "Is it really how God wanted these people to behave?" There's a saying in Buddhism said, "If you spit to the sky, your spit will fall back to your face!" It's the same for these caricatures about Muhammad. If you think it's not the truth, then the spit will fall back on them. Think about it!

if you want to solve a problem ,,you must disroot its fundament ,,
don't think about the reaction that has come because of the problem

[Remanu]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Who says that? So do you support those vandalic acts? Do you support murder to justify a joke? Are you insane?

If some newspapers hadn't printed the pictures of Mohammed, there wouldn't have been any attacks. I don't support violated actions but I don't agree with inserting the pictures of Mohammed. It's this action which should be claimed as 'insane' or 'unlettered' because no one has right to draw the portrait of Mohammed, even to express your admiration or respects. That's what everyone should know about Islamic religion. Freedom of speech doesn't mean making others' religions' God a joke. If it's a joke, I have to admit that it's a rediculous joke. I feel sorry for your sense of humour in this point. If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed? That's just a normal knowledge to comprehend.

[Remanu]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Is there an internation law says that we can't?

There are no laws of this but there is one natural law that is respect others' religion. That's an infantile thought to insert the pictures of the prophet.

[Dixie]

If some newspapers hadn't printed the pictures of Mohammed, there wouldn't have been any attacks. I don't support violated actions but I don't agree with inserting the pictures of Mohammed. It's this action which should be claimed as 'insane' or 'unlettered' because no one has right to draw the portrait of Mohammed, even to express your admiration or respects. That's what everyone should know about Islamic religion. Freedom of speech doesn't mean making others' religions' God a joke. If it's a joke, I have to admit that it's a rediculous joke. I feel sorry for your sense of humour in this point. If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed? That's just a normal knowledge to comprehend.

OK then, if drawing caricatures is insane, can you please tell me the more appropriate adjective to designate the authors of its consequences and those who agree with that? You do not support violence but you justify those acts?

I've seen the caricatures and I didn't find them funny at all, but I didn't go and burned a building on order to protest. If everytime we see something we don't like or don't agree with we go and do criminal acts, the world will be turned to ashes.

I am so sick of this matter already. I don't like to discuss something which I find so basic. It's like trying to convince someone that the earth is round. Please thinka little. Do the effort, it won't cost you much and you will feel more mature and free.

[Dixie]

There are no laws of this but there is one natural law that is respect others' religion. That's an infantile thought to insert the pictures of the prophet.

You know what's infantile? Getting mad for some caricatures.

[ahmads]

what about the time that was chose for publication these caricatures???

[Remanu]

OK then, if drawing caricatures is insane, can you please tell me the more appropriate adjective to designate the authors of its consequences and those who agree with that? You do not support violence but you justify those acts?

I've seen the caricatures and I didn't find them funny at all, but I didn't go and burned a building on order to protest. If everytime we see something we don't like or don't agree with we go and do criminal acts, the world will be turned to ashes.

I am so sick of this matter already. I don't like to discuss something which I find so basic. It's like trying to convince someone that the earth is round. Please thinka little. Do the effort, it won't cost you much and you will feel more mature and free.

You didn't go and burned a building because you aren't a Muslim. You must know that Mohammed means a lot to all Muslims. He is the soul of everyone. And, well, I have to write again, according to Islamics' rule, no one has right to draw his portrait. So don't you think it's insane to insert those caricutures? If the author knew about this, he intended to disrespect Mohammed and Muslims. Given that he didn't know it, he was foolish to post them everywhere. Because he doesn't understand anything about Islamic, so who allows him to do that? The action that 'do what you don't understand', I regard as an infantile one.

You can't burn this world into ashes because you don't like anything. But this problem affects a class of people - Islamics, not any single one. I admit that burning houses or killing people is wrong and not all Islamics do like that. People who are guilty will be punished. I'm still young but it doesn't mean I'm not mature so you don't have to worry about that. After all, the world should learn something from this great lesson. Religions are holy. One, even small, action which profanes any religion will cause such a disaster.

[Danyet]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

That is EXACTLY what freedom of speach is all about.

There are no laws of this but there is one natural law that is respect others' religion.

There is NO law to respect another's religion. Our law is; If I think that your religion is a joke, I AM ENTITLED TO SAY SO!!!

If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed?

Muslims have NEVER RESPECTED Jesus or Christians. Muslim Fathers and brothers STILL KILL THEIR OWN sisters and daughters for converting to Christianity. Muslims say that Jesus was not GOD!!! Where is your respect????

There is no wonder that there is so much trouble in the middle east if all the people there think like you. One can not even have an intelligent debate with you lot. And quite frankly I don't see the point anymore, anyway. Your true colors have been shown to the world.

[ahmads]

If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed?

Muslims have NEVER RESPECTED Jesus or Christians.

actually ,,if you want to be muslim ,,you must believe in Jesus and Moses and all prophets ,,
this is a rule to be muslim ..
so you are wrong .

[Romantic]

If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed?
Jesus and Mohammed are prophets, all human beings must respect them.

NO specific religion...

[MissLT]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Is there an internation law says that we can't?

There are no laws of this but there is one natural law that is respect others' religion. That's an infantile thought to insert the pictures of the prophet.

Do you wanna talk about respecting other religions? Let me show you something about respect...

http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm

Read this whole frigging link and tell me where the heck is the respect???? :x

"The leader of the Taliban Islamic militia in Afghanistan Tuesday shrugged off international condemnation of his order to destroy ancient Buddhist statues, saying "all we are breaking are stones."

Buddha statues are something to us, too. If those guys said what they did was just breaking stones, and they tried to deny the fact that they were not just breaking some stones; they were destroying one of the treasures of human beings. Then let me tell you, those pictures are just simply drawings. Just as much as a Buddha statues caved in the mountain that were destroyed.

[Romantic]

by the way danyet i know christians they do respect Mohammed and Muslims they do respect Jesus...

[MissLT]

People who are guilty will be punished.

This is what I mean by too much violence! If you believe in your religion, does it ever tell you people who are guilty will be punished by GOD on the Judgment Day? Not by you, me, or anyone else except GOD? I thought you believed in God and your Muhammed....

[MissLT]

no one has right to draw the portrait of Mohammed, even to express your admiration or respects. That's what everyone should know about Islamic religion.

Excuse me, we are not Muslims. We do not have to obey your Islamic rules. We obey the international laws. And international laws say nothing about someone doesn't have a right to draw anything if he feels like it. Stop thinking about this whole world as if it's yours. If you think we're violating your laws, you're violating ours! It goes both ways, hun!

[MissLT]

if you want to solve a problem ,,you must disroot its fundament ,,
don't think about the reaction that has come because of the problem

And don't you think if you had ignored those stupid drawings, nothing would have happened? Killing people, burning down buildings, throwing stones, chanting "hang the man who disrespects our religion"???? I am in rage. I've never been this mad. Well, I have. Once. It was the time when I was watching those people who got stoned for something they did that had nothing to do with the people who stoned them. :x

[MissLT]

You didn't go and burned a building because you aren't a Muslim.

And every day I thank for this fact.

And, well, I have to write again, according to Islamics' rule, no one has right to draw his portrait.

And, well, I have to write again, according to the Internation laws, no one has a right to shut someone up for a picture he drew about someone else. God, prophets, Pope, whatever.... And how do you know they ain't laughing up there? My grandma makes jokes about monks in front of monks, and let me tell you, they laugh. Sometimes they even ask her to make jokes to lighten the moments. If you think your religion is perfect, why don't you try to learn something about the less perfect one to make it more perfect? Try learn to not overreacting about something meaningless! Go pray. If you go out burning down buildings and killing people, you would miss your praying time.

[ahmads]

Go pray. If you go out burning down buildings and killing people, you would miss your praying time.

so.. good job you know many things about me ....

[Dixie]

You didn't go and burned a building because you aren't a Muslim.

This is the funniest thing that someone has told me for months So if I was a muslim, I would have burnt down a building? I didn't know I had so much violence inside

All the things I was going to say to you have been already said by Lennye, so I take her words as mine too. I was going to say exactly the same: maybe your laws forbid you to make any drawings of Mohammed but those are not MY laws. I will do whatever I feel like to do; I, fortunately, live in a free world, not like you. Honestly I think you've been all brainwashed since you were born. I am sorry to put it that way but that's what I think.

[Danyet]

If Islamics respect Jesus, why don't Christians respect Mohammed?

Muslims have NEVER RESPECTED Jesus or Christians.

actually ,,if you want to be muslim ,,you must believe in Jesus and Moses and all prophets ,,
this is a rule to be muslim ..
so you are wrong .

Then prove me wrong and proclaim that Jesus is God not just a prophet in your next post!!

If Muslims can say Jesus is just a prophet then anyone can say Mohammed was just a warlord and Allah a figment of his imagination.

[ahmads]

there is a book ,,I don't remember its name ..
american book for the greatest 100 men in the history ..
the best one of them is Mohamed prophet ,
the book says that prophet mohamed changed all history positively ....

[lambliver]

I dont think Freedom of speech is making a joke of a prophet.

Who says that? So do you support those vandalic acts? Do you support murder to justify a joke? Are you insane?

Im very intrested in these topics which is related to Religion and current affair.

Starting with 11th september, UK's bombing and Baslan attacks, Madrid etc. These bombings attacks are not an islamic behaviour and those who do the attacks are not obeying islamic rules in battles and in what we call it "Jehad". Islam didn't ask to go and kill innocent people, bomb urban places and killing children and women.

The first victim of throat cutting and barbaric act mohamed son "Hussian bin ali ". terroist cut his head and put it on a spear " More information go and read about Karbala ". the first point is, those people who make bombers are not discipline and not obeying islam's jehad rules.

About the cartoon. I dont think that the freedom of press in Denmark should be international, to make fun of a symbol of a religion that has some group of people who are very extremit. This cartton may lead and pron people to risks.

I think that mohamed is a great prophet and mankind. If an artist want to depict he should respect his own character as an artist and other people symbol

[Dixie]

About the cartoon. I dont think that the freedom of press in Denmark should be international, to make fun of a symbol of a religion that has some group of people who are very extremit. This cartton may lead and pron people to risks.

Finally someone admits they are against freedom of expression.

[MissLT]

Im very intrested in these topics which is related to Religion and current affair.

Starting with 11th september, UK's bombing and Baslan attacks, Madrid etc. These bombings attacks are not an islamic behaviour and those who do the attacks are not obeying islamic rules in battles and in what we call it "Jehad". Islam didn't ask to go and kill innocent people, bomb urban places and killing children and women.

The first victim of throat cutting and barbaric act mohamed son "Hussian bin ali ". terroist cut his head and put it on a spear " More information go and read about Karbala ". the first point is, those people who make bombers are not discipline and not obeying islam's jehad rules.

About the cartoon. I dont think that the freedom of press in Denmark should be international, to make fun of a symbol of a religion that has some group of people who are very extremit. This cartton may lead and pron people to risks.

I think that mohamed is a great prophet and mankind. If an artist want to depict he should respect his own character as an artist and other people symbol

Why are you repeating your posts? What is your point, dude?

[mr_Love]

This is my Point of view

"i belive there is only one god who is Allah

and i belive that Mohammed is his massanger."

[Dixie]

This is my Point of view

"i belive there is only one god who is Allah

and i belive that Mohammed is his massanger."

OK that's what you are taught in Islam and I think it's great, but it doesn't have anything to do with the last past events.

[mr_Love]

you know,,,

the last past events maks muslims more muslims,,,

i mean it maked their islam more and more stronger,,

dont you see how much they love Mohammed,,,

he is Died!! but we still love him ,, he is in our hearts,,,

we love him more than any one in the world...

[Remanu]

There is NO law to respect another's religion. Our law is; If I think that your religion is a joke, I AM ENTITLED TO SAY SO!!!

It's the law of the jungle. That's the MAIN REASON has caused attacks of Muslims in all over the world recently. So, if you don't like anyone, you ARE ENTTTLED to kill him?

Muslims have NEVER RESPECTED Jesus or Christians. Muslim Fathers and brothers STILL KILL THEIR OWN sisters and daughters for converting to Christianity. Muslims say that Jesus was not GOD!!! Where is your respect????

The truth sometimes is distorted.

There is no wonder that there is so much trouble in the middle east if all the people there think like you. One can not even have an intelligent debate with you lot. And quite frankly I don't see the point anymore, anyway. Your true colors have been shown to the world.

I don't want to talk about this because I'm just afraid bad words and disrespects may be shown here. If you find it's not an INTELLIGENT debate, well, feel free to get it off. I don't force you to discuss with me. I don't come here to argue, I come here to show my opinions and protect Islamics. I always say people who are guilty will be punished.

[Remanu]

Excuse me, we are not Muslims. We do not have to obey your Islamic rules. We obey the international laws. And international laws say nothing about someone doesn't have a right to draw anything if he feels like it. Stop thinking about this whole world as if it's yours. If you think we're violating your laws, you're violating ours! It goes both ways, hun!

I was going to say exactly the same: maybe your laws forbid you to make any drawings of Mohammed but those are not MY laws. I will do whatever I feel like to do; I, fortunately, live in a free world, not like you.

That's a completely wrong opinion. Sorry but I have to say that. You are non-Muslim, so you have right to profane Muslims' God? Perhaps, international laws don't say about that but each country has its own laws, which all people, even foreigners, must obey. I don't think of the whole world as my own world. We 'violate' your laws of freedom of speech? Please ask why??? Just read what you wrote again. Doesn't it mean you don't need to learn anything about other countries? So where is what called international cultural exchanges in your post? You don't need to understand the laws and rules of others, so you can do anything you want, doesn't it mean there are no respects between human and human in your post?

Honestly I think you've been all brainwashed since you were born. I am sorry to put it that way but that's what I think.

Once again, I don't want to talk about this.

[Remanu]

And don't you think if you had ignored those stupid drawings, nothing would have happened? Killing people, burning down buildings, throwing stones, chanting "hang the man who disrespects our religion"???? I am in rage. I've never been this mad. Well, I have. Once. It was the time when I was watching those people who got stoned for something they did that had nothing to do with the people who stoned them. :x

If we could ignore this, so why wouldn't other people ignore similar things? The Islamics in Denmark were waiting for just an appology from the press inserting the bad portraits of Mohammed, but they wouldn't do that. That has caused a wave of demonstration in all over the world. The editor just said it was a joke, like some people here said. If he had officially apologised instead, whether the demonstration would have spreaded? However, everything happened. That's what Islamics never wanted, that press never wanted, so did the whole world. I also don't want to have a critical debate in this forum because of it. Isn't it better to find out some real solutions?

[meny]

there is a book ,,I don't remember its name ..
american book for the greatest 100 men in the history ..
the best one of them is Mohamed prophet ,
the book says that prophet mohamed changed all history positively ....

the name of the american writer is Michel Hart but i don't know the name of the book in english bec i have the arabic version translated by anis mansour but if i translate the title by myself it will be( the eternal persons are hundred, the greatest is Mohammed the messanger of God, peace be upon him.

[Remanu]

you know,,,

the last past events maks muslims more muslims,,,

i mean it maked their islam more and more stronger,,

dont you see how much they love Mohammed,,,

he is Died!! but we still love him ,, he is in our hearts,,,

we love him more than any one in the world...

You should be proud of what you were taught. You should be proud of your God. No religions teach anything wrong. But some others always want to distort the truth. Love our God as you ever loved him then!

[Remanu]

People who are guilty will be punished.

This is what I mean by too much violence! If you believe in your religion, does it ever tell you people who are guilty will be punished by GOD on the Judgment Day? Not by you, me, or anyone else except GOD? I thought you believed in God and your Muhammed....

God teaches you to do right. If you do wrong, laws will punish you. Laws here include court of society and court of your own soul. Yes, I do believe in my God. Bhagwan tumari raksa kare! Cok jasa! God please bless me in my tomorrow exam! Oh, I hate chemistry!

[Dixie]

Once again, I don't want to talk about this.

Then don't. I don't wanna try to convince you of something I find so basic, really. The day muslims will learn to respect human rights, the world will improve a lot. Meanwhile, you will keep on living in prehistoric times.

[Remanu]

Once again, I don't want to talk about this.

Then don't. I don't wanna try to convince you of something I find so basic, really. The day muslims will learn to respect human rights, the world will improve a lot. Meanwhile, you will keep on living in prehistoric times.

What do you want then? Wanna a debate without any respects? I've been trying to respect you but it seems you don't? Prehistoric time? I can't forget these disrespected words. D*mn my exam!

[Dixie]

What do you want then? Wanna a debate without any respects? I've been trying to respect you but it seems you don't? Prehistoric time? I can't forget these disrespected words. D*mn my exam!

Why don't you try to open your eyes and mind to the world? Sorry if you thought I was misrespecting you. Believe me, that was not my intention. It just freaks me out when I see people defending the criminals that are killing people, burning down buildings and so on, just because of some caricatures. I just can't comprehend that.

Good luck on your exam.

[MissLT]

That's a completely wrong opinion. Sorry but I have to say that. You are non-Muslim, so you have right to profane Muslims' God? Perhaps, international laws don't say about that but each country has its own laws, which all people, even foreigners, must obey. I don't think of the whole world as my own world. We 'violate' your laws of freedom of speech? Please ask why??? Just read what you wrote again. Doesn't it mean you don't need to learn anything about other countries? So where is what called international cultural exchanges in your post? You don't need to understand the laws and rules of others, so you can do anything you want, doesn't it mean there are no respects between human and human in your post?

And what kinda law and culture are those people living in that they think they can throw stones, burning down buildings, KILL people for a couple of pictures?? To you people he's something; to non-Muslim people he's nothing. For instance, to me he's nothing. However, it doesn't mean I will laugh at those pictures or think they're funny. On the other hand, I don't approve your actions.

And if you think you've learned and respected other cultures, then bring back the Buddha statues that you guys destroyed. If you could bring them back, then I will be on your side protesting about those pictures. Otherwise, you are just bunch of hypocrites to me. No hypocrite can come to me and talk about something they want when they've done those things to others!

[MissLT]

God teaches you to do right. If you do wrong, laws will punish you. Laws here include court of society and court of your own soul. Yes, I do believe in my God. Bhagwan tumari raksa kare! Cok jasa! God please bless me in my tomorrow exam! Oh, I hate chemistry!

And God will punish people with those laws, not you, me, or those people!

[MissLT]

If we could ignore this, so why wouldn't other people ignore similar things?

Every culture has an ~. If you replies to an ~, it's like throwing a stone to an endless sea. Do you understand this ?

The Islamics in Denmark were waiting for just an appology from the press inserting the bad portraits of Mohammed, but they wouldn't do that.

They apologized, but they won't step back publishing those pictures if this is what you meant!

Isn't it better to find out some real solutions?

I thought you guys did. You burnt down buildings, threw stones, killed people, etc. Those weren't your solutions to this problem? What are they then?

[lambliver]

Im very intrested in these topics which is related to Religion and current affair.

Starting with 11th september, UK's bombing and Baslan attacks, Madrid etc. These bombings attacks are not an islamic behaviour and those who do the attacks are not obeying islamic rules in battles and in what we call it "Jehad". Islam didn't ask to go and kill innocent people, bomb urban places and killing children and women.

The first victim of throat cutting and barbaric act mohamed son "Hussian bin ali ". terroist cut his head and put it on a spear " More information go and read about Karbala ". the first point is, those people who make bombers are not discipline and not obeying islam's jehad rules.

About the cartoon. I dont think that the freedom of press in Denmark should be international, to make fun of a symbol of a religion that has some group of people who are very extremit. This cartton may lead and pron people to risks.

I think that mohamed is a great prophet and mankind. If an artist want to depict he should respect his own character as an artist and other people symbol

Why are you repeating your posts? What is your point, dude?

My point is to let you know that Mohamed and his household are the first people who were victims of terroist. Hussain peace be upon him " Son of Mohamed's PBUH daughter ", an army that call them self muslim " As Binladen and Abo mosaab " cut Hussain's head and put it on a spear.

I want you to read history a little bet more .