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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Postby ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:30 pm

wolff wrote:Hello. I guess the headline is clear enough to understand what the point is to be mentioned here.
We all watch news. What has been going on for the last time in my opinion is the beginning of the next war. This time between civilizations. Eastern and Western.

America strikes Islamic terrorism all over the world. Terrorists supported by some countries plan new terracts.(which means hypocrisy, ‘we all fight terror’ some leaders say but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital, Arab countries send them(terrorists) money and weapons) The whole world it seems is on the edge of a total crisis - a new global war.
There is no need to prove it. We all saw how some simple pictures in Danish newspaper lead to confrontation between many countries and even to death of people! Is this normal???

Iran wants to have its own nuclear weapon and in the same time calls for destroying other country, though I’m sure it will strike back by its own nuclear weapon. Shirak said France will use atomic bomb in vengeance to terror attacks and I’m sure he’s not lied! Where are we going??? Can we stop it here?


first-
policy of America and europa are responsible about all the terrorism
second-
iran want to have nuclear for energy not weapon,but some of politician assumed that,and America have weapon ,France ,Israel ....etc I know nuclear is not good ,for all people not just iran
all of them can have ,but iran can not ,Why?
we must carry out this rule over all of them .
Third -all things that happen every day in prisons
are come of hatred and disparagement that are built in new generations toward muslims :idea:
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Postby Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:32 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Tora wrote:
I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence!..

To me, we can. People are the deepest thread of the problem here.


So... We are both ensured that it is not the religion.
Do you see the roots of the problem in ourselves saying "people"?
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Postby Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:44 pm

ahmads wrote:
Tora wrote:
ahmads wrote:
Tora wrote:ahmads, i don't feel any hatred!
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Honey ,I didn't talk about you !!!! :D


Sweetie you are... :D :oops: :roll:

hhhhhh but I don't agree wolff


Look, what wolff wrote:
"We, me and you and other common people all over the world together must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if we will lose it the world may stop existing..."
I fully agree with it...

And the hatred against muslims... I face with it not every day but still... That brings me down, though i'm christian, Islam is a peaceful religion, but people see what they want to see or what they are been told is seem... ( :shock: ) And so hard to convince somebody...
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Postby ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:58 pm

Tora wrote:
Look, what wolff wrote:
"We, me and you and other common people all over the world together must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if we will lose it the world may stop existing..."
I fully agree with it...

And the hatred against muslims... I face with it not every day but still... That brings me down, though i'm christian, Islam is a peaceful religion, but people see what they want to see or what they are been told is seem... ( :shock: ) And so hard to convince somebody...

yes,, I see ...like me ...I'm very peaceful . I agree
The problem is (between east and west):
there are many many many of people mix between terror and struggle .
so... there are many countries have requested from palestinian take struggle off ,it is very fun ..struggle waw ...this is the point that makes big problem ....
I can not understand ...... imagine that someone asks you to kill your self hhhhhh . and you can add another things
( CUMULATIVE)
sometimes I feel that I'm in the mad world ,,or maybe I'm mad man
:lol: :lol: struggle :lol: :lol: :roll: :lol:
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Postby wolff » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:08 am

Monster wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
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back off. I don't need your tone towards me

This is exactly what I mean!

Did I do it to you first? I posted a question to everyone. You answered my question. I posted back. Who started the fight here, huh? :x


You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.


No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.
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Postby MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:04 am

wolff wrote:
Monster wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
Monster wrote:
back off. I don't need your tone towards me

This is exactly what I mean!

Did I do it to you first? I posted a question to everyone. You answered my question. I posted back. Who started the fight here, huh? :x


You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.


No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.

I read my posts again, and I see why he was giving me an attitude. I asked a question first to everyone. He answered my question. However, I didn't understand if he was really answering my question; therefore, I asked him again. And he replied to me. Once again, I wasn't really sure if I understood it correctly, so I asked him again. I think he thought I was mocking him. Excuse me for being extremely slow, I did not mock at him or give him an attitude. If I had been, this would have been next to my question ---> :roll: . I used this --> :? to express that I wasn't sure or confused.

Anyway, back to you Monster, to me people who give me an attitude are people who want to fight with me. If they don't wanna fight with me, why would they give me an attittude when I'm not the one who started it in the first place? From what I see, this is a misunderstanding between my posts and yours. Take it or not is your choice, but as for me I'm gonna let this go since what I see it is a misunderstanding.
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Postby MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:13 am

Tora wrote: So... We are both ensured that it is not the religion.
Do you see the roots of the problem in ourselves saying "people"?

When you look at religion and read religious books, they're all about peace and love. They're the part of the moral code ethics. And there are people with faith to carry on the religion correctly to live a peaceful life. To some people, they should practice their religion right to be in heaven or to reach Nirvana. On the other hand, there are people who abuse their faith and religion to a different path. We, humans, created the religion. We follow our faith. And with our own hands we've destroyed what we created.

I think whoever hasn't destroyed what we created should not get blamed. There are people who try to live a peaceful life no matter they're religious or not. And there are people who would kill others in the name of religion. To me those who kill others in the name of religion have destroyed what we created. And they should be blamed.
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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Postby Arale » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:23 am

Monster wrote:I will be surprised if this topic won't be closed as it happened to my one.


I will close any thread which has been too far from the main topic or members are fighting there. We need opinions here. Is it clear? Anyway, I will delete some off-topic posts in this thread. Please discuss and respect your friends here. Thanks a lot! :roll: If you have any opinion about my moderating, please contact me or the Admin. Thanks again! :roll:

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Postby Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:37 am

LennyeTran wrote:
wolff wrote:
Monster wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
Monster wrote:
back off. I don't need your tone towards me

This is exactly what I mean!

Did I do it to you first? I posted a question to everyone. You answered my question. I posted back. Who started the fight here, huh? :x


You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.


No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.

I read my posts again, and I see why he was giving me an attitude. I asked a question first to everyone. He answered my question. However, I didn't understand if he was really answering my question; therefore, I asked him again. And he replied to me. Once again, I wasn't really sure if I understood it correctly, so I asked him again. I think he thought I was mocking him. Excuse me for being extremely slow, I did not mock at him or give him an attitude. If I had been, this would have been next to my question ---> :roll: . I used this --> :? to express that I wasn't sure or confused.

Anyway, back to you Monster, to me people who give me an attitude are people who want to fight with me. If they don't wanna fight with me, why would they give me an attittude when I'm not the one who started it in the first place? From what I see, this is a misunderstanding between my posts and yours. Take it or not is your choice, but as for me I'm gonna let this go since what I see it is a misunderstanding.


This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.
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Postby wolff » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:01 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Tora wrote:
I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence!..

To me, we can. People are the deepest thread of the problem here.


I don't agree with you at 100% that people are the main problem. Infants aren't born bad or good but they can grow to good children or not so good. It depends on their parents and their inviroment. In our case parents are the goverment and constitution and enviroment is religion and common relations between citizens, citezens and goverment and how the state relates to foreign countries.
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