Iran’s nuclear program to create the A-BOMB

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:44 pm

Um, yeah, I'm with LennyeTran here. The concept of Israel as a peaceful and free country is laughable.

What is laughable?

loosy · Post by **loosy** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:05 pm

What is laughable?

Monster, are you asking me what the word means or what did I mean by using it?

*loosy*

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:28 pm

loosy wrote:
What is laughable?
Monster, are you asking me what the word means or what did I mean by using it?

*loosy*

I asked what makes you think that Israel is not a peaceful state.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:36 am

loosy wrote:The concept of Israel as a peaceful and free country is laughable.

Your laughable if you can't see what's going on in the Middle East. I hope you're not old enough to vote!!!!

loosy · Post by **loosy** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:14 pm

Monster: I meant to say that Israel has more overt conflicts than say, Tasmania. I meant to say that there's a very tense situation between the Israelites and Palestinians, hence the numerous Peace talks that were orginized throughout the end of the XX century. If there's a need for a peace talk, I'm not making much of a leap if I view the concept of Israel as 'peaceful' (peaceful meaning, as dictionary.com defines it: Undisturbed by strife, turmoil, or disagreement; tranquil) country as laughable.

I never meant to say that Israeli people were some kind of peace-hating warmongers. The second definition of peaceful (peaceful2= inclined or disposed to peace; peaceable) might've made you, Moster, think I meant it that way. In hindsight, I see how my words might've been misinterpreted. I think people in Israel might want what everyone wants: live their lives in peace.

Danyet: Perhaps (most likely) my ideas on the Middle East situation are wrong, I never claimed to be an expert on the subject. I was just giving my opinion, like everyone else on the board.

*loosy*

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:29 pm

Thanks for explanation. I didnt mean to blame you for using the term "laughable" I just wanted you to clarify your point. Anyway next time you try to say something about what you arent sure or lack of knowledge firstly think how it may affect others which may know more then you and regard your words as nonsess or simple ignogance.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:01 pm

I can tell by your posts that you have bought in to all that leftie ideaology taught as fact by retarded professors and school teachers these days. Where there are no absolutes and there is no right or wrong anymore!! You can't see that the mastermind at Beslan was twisted by Islam. He had two women with him with their heads covered wearing suicide belts for Pete's sake. He blew one of them up himself, just to make a point!!! However the Chechnyen conflict started, it has become taken over by Islam. And this fact is what the lefties and Media refuse to wake up to.

loosy · Post by **loosy** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:38 am

I'm replying to the last post just because I wouldn't like people to think I run away from confrontation. There's only one more thing I'd like to say and that is:

Danyet, if I can understand that you have your own point of view, one that stems from your own experiences and knowledge, then I wish you could understand -or at least tolerate- mine. A simple 'I don't agree with you' would've sufficed.

*loosy*

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:22 am

No it won't suffice. There is already too much slander spread about Israel by her enemies these days.So much so, people are actually beginning to believe it, like you.
And I, as Defender of the Good People of this Galaxy, have a duty to call a balony sandwich a balony sandwich.

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Wed May 03, 2006 8:55 am

Yesterday iranian minister of defence said that if US attacks Iran it strickes back on Israel even if this country didnt join US in its military actions against Iran

essie · Post by **essie** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:36 am

danyet wrote:No it won't suffice. There is already too much slander spread about Israel by her enemies these days.So much so, people are actually beginning to believe it, like you.
And I, as Defender of the Good People of this Galaxy, have a duty to call a balony sandwich a balony sandwich.

My friend, Isreal is no better than any other nation in this confused world.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:16 pm

essie wrote:
danyet wrote:No it won't suffice. There is already too much slander spread about Israel by her enemies these days.So much so, people are actually beginning to believe it, like you.
And I, as Defender of the Good People of this Galaxy, have a duty to call a balony sandwich a balony sandwich.
My friend, Isreal is no better than any other nation in this confused world.

If you think that Israel is no better than at least the nations around her you are no friend of mine.

Note to self:- Essie is a moron.

essie · Post by **essie** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:54 am

lol.

Note to everyone: Anyone that disagrees with Danyet is automatically marked as a moron.

Danyet, I'm from Iran and despise the Iranian government, but I despise the Israeli government just as much.

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:00 am

Note to other's note: too many notes.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:48 am

Noted! Miss Notariety

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:50 am

Israel is not Iran. Israel does not threaten its neihbours to wipe them out of the world. Israel is an open state with a democratic form of government.

Iran is an absolutely opposite case. Iran threatens Israel. The speeches of its leader remind the speeches of Adolf Hitler. The only difference is that Iran is not developped enough still to begin a war or demand from other nations what it wants without asking them.

But even now we may see how Iran try to blackmail the world with the prices on oil. Creating of the atomic bomb will bring Iran all what it needs to dictate the world its own rules of the game but then nobody will be able to stop it.

essie · Post by **essie** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:10 pm

Monster wrote:Israel is not Iran. Israel does not threaten its neihbours to wipe them out of the world. Israel is an open state with a democratic form of government.

Iran is an absolutely opposite case. Iran threatens Israel. The speeches of its leader remind the speeches of Adolf Hitler. The only difference is that Iran is not developped enough still to begin a war or demand from other nations what it wants without asking them.

But even now we may see how Iran try to blackmail the world with the prices on oil. Creating of the atomic bomb will bring Iran all what it needs to dictate the world its own rules of the game but then nobody will be able to stop it.

How many of it's neighbours has Iran killed recently? Would you like to compare that to the amount Israel has killed? LOL.. The truth is, I'm not debating on the Iranian governments side here. They can die for all I care. The Israeli, Iranian, American, and British Government.. It's all the same $h!t. Trying to figure out which @$$hole they come from is pointless.

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:58 pm

Would you like to compare that to the amount Israel has killed? LOL..

So reveal us how many Israel has killed, why and how, tell us also your sourse of information.

essie · Post by **essie** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:20 pm

ABC, BBC, CBC, GOOGLE, and every other news agency I Can think of. These are my sources. The Israeli government has killed innocent Palestinian people as has the Palestinian with innocent Israelis. Your defence is probably going to be somewhere along the lines of "we have no choice, but to defend ourselves" and there's is the same. Same $h!t different @$$hole. It's all meaningless attempts to justify murders of the innocent for power.

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:50 pm

Do you think it is a wrong step to defend citizens from suicide terrorist attacks.
Do you know other means to stop terror or you just don’t care “all the same $h!t”.

And what have you seen on ABC. I also watch ABC but I did not hear that Israel has any intentions of killing innocent! It only tryes to destroy terrorist groups which launch rockets to their cities or try to cross the border to blow themselves up in a crowd or a bus or a market thriving to kill as many as possible!

essie · Post by **essie** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:05 pm

Oh come on! The innocent whom are passed of as casualties of war.... The children, the families.. Israel and Palestine.. Neither government is innocent. Both sides claim to be committing these crimes in self defense...

There's no point in debating this topic really. If the two countries can't agree...

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:51 pm

What does Israel and Palestine's problem have anything to do with Iran's nuclear program???? :?

Monster · Post by **Monster** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:57 pm

Both sides claim to be committing these crimes in self defense...

You are wrong, palestinian terrorist movements call for jihad and send terrorists to make suiside attacks in order to kill Israeli people because they want to destroy the state of Israel.What a kind of a defence you may call it, palestinians terrorists use houses of local citezens as a live-shield, they fire rockets from the roofs knowing that Israel won't strike back because of the innocent civilians which may suffer from the stricke, they use children sending them to blow themselves up in Israel, they use religion for propaganda of suiside attacks they use mosquets as the places for washing the brains and spreading hatred and venom against Israel and all who support it including USA. There are the terrible things that must be rooted out. They do not call it self defence - they send terrorists to kill innocent! One must be totaly blind not to see that!

Palestinian government consisted from HAMAS which is terrerist organization! HAMAS killed hundreds innocent Israelis before it came to power. US and EU declared HAMAS as a terrorist organization.

If the two countries can't agree.

Palestinian authority is not a country!

There's no point in debating this topic really.

I may agree here with you cause I see your knowledge of the subject is not complete or just wrong.

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:58 pm

well, I don't agree Iran has bomber in the Middle east

don't forget , Iran occupation :( (island of UAE )my country

and it's will be menaced ArabGulf

Then , must Isral leaves the bomber and also Iran leaves bomber

That't is best for them

who agree with me? :D

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:05 pm

danyet wrote:Israel is a peacful and free country, Iran is not.

hhhhhhhhhhhh you make me laughing

Danyet , see the history of Israel and you will know

how it's kill children , women , old man like USA in the Iraq

I know you alawys with Isral :x

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:08 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
danyet wrote:Israel is a peacful and free country, Iran is not.
I doubt this bold part.

don't doubt LennyeTran..

make sure Isral not peacful

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:13 pm

Boris wrote:I know who kill the children. Beast and other “true” Muslim in Palestine, Chechnja and other.

The islamic don't agree this work

and you can ask anybody about that

or you can read more about islamic

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:23 pm

Monster wrote:Israel is not Iran. Israel does not threaten its neihbours to wipe them out of the world. Israel is an open state with a democratic form of government.

.

who is kill Palestine and Lebanon?

who is make bomober for house of Palestine ?

and the house fell down

who?

who?

who?

and don't forget Isral have a lot of spys in Iraq?

and ???? and???

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:09 pm

Pearl wrote:
don't doubt LennyeTran..

make sure Isral not peacful

Anyone who kills others for their religious belief is not a peaceful person, to me. Therefore, people in Israel or Palestine are not peaceful people to me.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:01 am

Israel doesnt kill for their own religious reasons Lenny!

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:26 am

Yes, they do.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:56 am

Israel has no state religion. Israel is made up of all different kinds of people and religions including a lot of complete athiests just like any other non muslim country!

Israel kills simply for it's survival.

If Israel did not kill. If Israel disbanded her army.
Israel would cease to exist! It is as simple as that. Israel would be taken over by muslim zealots in a matter of days.

Boris · Post by **Boris** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:49 am

Pearl wrote:
Boris wrote:I know who kill the children. Beast and other “true” Muslim in Palestine, Chechnja and other.
The islamic don't agree this work

and you can ask anybody about that

or you can read more about islamic

I never saw how they don’t agree. It only words.
Is they are doing something to stop the terrorism? NO.

zaman · Post by **zaman** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:02 pm

but you know that israel state religion
cause it asked from all jews in this global to come and establish israel .
it is country for jews

nisan · Post by **nisan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:32 am

danyet wrote:
Israel kills simply for it's survival.

If Israel did not kill. If Israel disbanded her army.
Israel would cease to exist! It is as simple as that. Israel would be taken over by muslim zealots in a matter of days.

Do every country kill the people to survive ?

What did you think when you thought and wrote it ?
Many of countries in this world can survive without killing....
Israel is bombing Palestine for its benefits. USA supports Israel for its benefits.
The magical word is "benefit".
Not "survive"

Now USA wants to bomb Iran because of petrol sources. They want to get very expensive and valuable sources which is belong to other country.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:32 am

Oh! So now it is not beneficial to survive?....Duuhhh!!

nisan · Post by **nisan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:14 am

danyet wrote:Oh! So now it is not beneficial to survive?....Duuhhh!!

Do you mean to survive is a benefit in your opinion ?

fortminor · Post by **fortminor** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:51 am

poor "Good People" that you(danyet) wanna be their defender !

it really makes me laugh !

Pearl · Post by **Pearl** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:44 pm

Boris wrote:
Pearl wrote:
Boris wrote:I know who kill the children. Beast and other “true” Muslim in Palestine, Chechnja and other.
The islamic don't agree this work

and you can ask anybody about that

or you can read more about islamic
I never saw how they don’t agree. It only words.
Is they are doing something to stop the terrorism? NO.

Dear Boris

sure , Muslim can not kill any body

there is line in the Quran say if you kill people you will go to hell

and who kill any body , I don't know why make it?

hope to answer any question you need

bye
pearl

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:54 pm

The Koran is well-known for having too many contradictions.

nisan · Post by **nisan** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:24 am

LennyeTran wrote:The Koran is well-known for having too many contradictions.

Can you give some examples for these contradictions ?

Every religions give some norms to people. Some people apply them turly some people not.
According to me all religions usually advise good things for people.
People is bad, not religions......

zaman · Post by **zaman** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:50 pm

LennyeTran said
The Koran is well-known for having too many contradictions.
hi man , what did you said
How you know that
can you tell for us when did you find this contradictions in AL-quran.
maybe you know know al-quran better than us

Dixie · Post by **Dixie** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:46 pm

zaman wrote:LennyeTran said
The Koran is well-known for having too many contradictions.
hi man , what did you said
How you know that
can you tell for us when did you find this contradictions in AL-quran.
maybe you know know al-quran better than us

Maybe you haven't read it? :?

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:14 pm

nisan wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:The Koran is well-known for having too many contradictions.

Can you give some examples for these contradictions ?

Every religions give some norms to people. Some people apply them turly some people not.
According to me all religions usually advise good things for people.
People is bad, not religions......

This is what Pearl said,
there is line in the Quran say if you kill people you will go to hell

However, there are bunch of lines in the Koran give you permission to declare battles. Read your verses about war. Or read your verses about women. Or read your verses about how to deal with other religions or as you call "disbelievers" It's a manual book of rules, to me.

zaman · Post by **zaman** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:26 pm

No , I was read and I will still read it all the time until my creator (ALLAH ) take my soul.
and I conserved it in my mind and I understand his meanings . and if anyone want to search from any wrong in it he will could not find anything wrong in it because this is earful of ALLAH.
and you must know this , AL-quran is a miracle of our prophet

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:36 pm

I'm aware of your thoughts about the Koran. That's why I'm still trying to find a chapter that you don't include this line God is omnipotent. But it seems like this is one of the main subliminal messages in the Koran.

zaman · Post by **zaman** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:00 pm

so I can assure you that you will never could find anything wrong in al-quran , if you want take all the time in your life , and I will challenge for that .
best wishes for you

MissLT · Post by **MissLT** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:09 pm

Didn't I tell you I found the contradictions in the Koran? I found those are wrong, according to my belief. Anyways, there's no need to challenge. The day you find me believing in it, it'll be the day... Well, there will be no day, so no point making an example.

Danyet · Post by **Danyet** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:44 pm

The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.
A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.
All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.

1. What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).

4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?

1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).

2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).

3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).

4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).

2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).

3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

zaman · Post by **zaman** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:19 pm

if you want give me any example , please do it from al-quran
and give us the name of the Surah
to discuss this with each other

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