After Five Years From Now ??

[Danyet]

It is a sad mistake to think that the truth is unknowable. There is a clear distinction between good and evil. If you can not tell the difference I suspect that it is because you are under the influence of evil.

[Admiral]

There is no clear distinction between good and evil. The guys who hasn't done any bad things in his life only exist in novels, the guys who did bad things in his life also did good things.

For example: Someone says that danyet is the personification of evil, but danyet also does good things, for example he stands up to blaim the ones who offer porn sites here, where other people don't dare to.

I need a answer that someone give me why the terrorism incease more and more faster.

In social science I learned an important rule:

Without offer, there is no inquiry. With more inquiry, there will be more offer.

As terrorists don't like Bush, they made that terrorist attack against American people. As Bush reacts in sending more and more soldiers occupying the country (which also contains non terrorist people), the non terrorist people find it very annoying and also become terrorists in order to protest.

[Rach]

Yes, violence always causes more violence... it's such an illusion to begin a war in Iraq (or Lebanon...) and to think it's for the good of peace and safety in the world. All the people that get hurt or lose family members and friends, they don't care if Bush or other politicians did it because of fighting against terrorism, they just get more angry and they will fight back.

[Danyet]

Yes, violence always causes more violence... it's such an illusion to begin a war in Iraq (or Lebanon...) and to think it's for the good of peace and safety in the world. All the people that get hurt or lose family members and friends, they don't care if Bush or other politicians did it because of fighting against terrorism, they just get more angry and they will fight back.

Easy for you to say this since you come from a country that was too cowardly to take a stance against the Nazi's during the II World War. While your country sucked up to Hitler, Britain led the rest of the world in a fight against Fascism to save France, Poland and the rest of Europe.

Sir Winston Churchill recognized Hitler as the true threat he was, while most European politicions wanted to appease him. And look what happened!!

It is the same with Bush. Bush recognizes Islamofascism as the threat it truely is while Europeans want to suck up to the Islamic world.

Somehow i don't think that someone from Switzerland has any business criticising matters of war and peace.

[andes]

It is a sad mistake to think that the truth is unknowable. There is a clear distinction between good and evil. If you can not tell the difference I suspect that it is because you are under the influence of evil.

I wish I don't, danyet. I wish we don't.
however, in fact we're all under influence of evil..(though sometime we didn't realize that)
that's why we couldn't stop a war. we just make it become worse and worse.

[Rach]

Sir Winston Churchill recognized Hitler as the true threat he was, while most European politicions wanted to appease him. And look what happened!!

You seem to know very little of that period of time. When the USA finally decided to intervene into the second world war (and they evaded this for a long, long time!), it was far too late for what you're bringing up here.

While your country sucked up to Hitler, Britain led the rest of the world in a fight against Fascism to save France, Poland and the rest of Europe.

What could have done a little country like Switzerland with less than 4 Million of inhabitants (at this time) against Hitler, by military fighting? They had their own ways of fighting against them, there were very few people here who "sucked up" to Hitler, believe me. I hear my grandfather almost turning over in his grave...

Somehow i don't think that someone from Switzerland has any business criticising matters of war and peace.

You're crossing literally some borders here that I don't like at all. So you think because the politicians of your country decided to play the role of some sort of self-proclaimed world police, only you have the right to say your opinion?

There is a clear distinction between good and evil.

Life would be far easier if this was the truth I guess, yes, but I fear it isn't as simple as that. Life isn't just black and white, nope...

[Danyet]

Sir Winston Churchill recognized Hitler as the true threat he was, while most European politicions wanted to appease him. And look what happened!!

You seem to know very little of that period of time. When the USA finally decided to intervene into the second world war (and they evaded this for a long, long time!), it was far too late for what you're bringing up here.

I did not bring up USA in this....you did! And what does USA have to do with Churchill recognizing Hitler as a world threat while the rest of europe did not?

What could have done a little country like Switzerland with less than 4 Million of inhabitants (at this time) against Hitler, by military fighting? They had their own ways of fighting against them, there were very few people here who "sucked up" to Hitler, believe me. I hear my grandfather almost turning over in his grave...

You would not have to fight Htler if you had have backed Winston Churhill. Hitler never would have come into so much power if Europe had have done something about him in the 1930's. But everyone wanted to ignore Hitler and hoped he would just do away istead of being proactive. And now you are doing the same thing by not backing USA against Islamofascism. It is the gutless cowards in this world who refuse to confront problems who make things even worse.

There is a clear distinction between good and evil.

Life would be far easier if this was the truth I guess, yes, but I fear it isn't as simple as that. Life isn't just black and white, nope...

Yep! Just as I figured. You can't tell good from evil either.

Somehow i don't think that someone from Switzerland has any business criticising matters of war and peace.

You're crossing literally some borders here that I don't like at all. So you think because the politicians of your country decided to play the role of some sort of self-proclaimed world police, only you have the right to say your opinion?

Police are needed in every society! Somebody has to to the job. You should be thankful the US is taking charge of this instead of China or North Korea.
And since you don't know the difference between good and evil your opinion would not count anyway!

[Admiral]

hey danyet, I respect your opinions but you can't fix your opinions as a world thesis.

Yep! Just as I figured. You can't tell good from evil either.

Good and bad are just extremes. As you can find bacterias in clear water, you can also find both bad and good things in people.
Good and evil is really not that easy said as you imagine. America is a good country, because it fought against the Nazi regime in the 2nd world war, but it is also a bad country as it fought senseless wars like the Korean one or the Iraq one.
In the real life things are not that clear as black and white. That is what Rach meaned.

[Rach]

I did not bring up USA in this....you did! And what does USA have to do with Churchill recognizing Hitler as a world threat while the rest of europe did not?

Nothing, you brought up the whole world war II thing and accused Switzerland and the Europeans of "sucking up" to Hitler, I brought up the USA was waiting a long time until they intervened at last.

Hitler never would have come into so much power if Europe had have done something about him in the 1930's.

You forget about the fact that it was a very, very hard time in the 1930 after the so called "black friday" and the world economic crisis. Hitler brought jobs to the Germans, he really did! That's why his evil motives were sort of "covered" first for a long time, this all happened not only in a few months but evolved slowly in a long period of time. And for the "backing up Churchill" thing... do you know the geocraphical location of Switzerland? There is no English Channel nor the Atlantic ocean between Switzerland and Germany. The Swiss of that time were very brave not to deliver themselves freely as Austria and Italy did, because by doing so they risked a declaration of war. We really should not blame whole countries for what had happend so much time ago.

But anyway, you can't compare the second world war to the terrorism of today, those are two completely different matters.

Police are needed in every society! Somebody has to to the job. You should be thankful the US is taking charge of this instead of China or North Korea.

Yes, but in a democratic society the police is the executive of the law! As we are talking about international matters we could say the law is represented by the UN. Did the US politicians follow what the UN was saying about all this? No, they behaved like a military regime totally blinding out the UN suggestions. Now the terrorism spreads and increases in the whole world provoked by the wars the Bush regimes started.

And since you don't know the difference between good and evil your opinion would not count anyway!

I'll take that as a compliment 8)

[Danyet]

The UN is not in a position to keep the peace.

The UN has no teeth. This has been proved many times. Rawanda, for one.

Even if the UN did have teeth it be of no use because it has been taken over by corruption and does the will now of corrupt and stupid politicians such as was shown the other day when the President of Venezuela gave his rediculous speech about Bush being Evil while most of the UN delegates cheered him on.

And if you think that the Korean war was wrong then why is it that South Korea is now free and stable while the in North Korea the people are starving to death? If you are an example of the new Swiss it is too bad we did not let the nazis have you.

We should call you Neville Chamberlain! :) :)

[Rach]

It seems impossible to discuss political topics with you without getting on a personal level...

We should call you Neville Chamberlain!

Well, he intervened as the first one, as far as I remember?

The USA did good things in the world as you mentioned Ruwanda (though I don't know the context at all). But they did very bad things, too... if you want to look at them or not.

[Danyet]

To refresh your memory. Nevile Chaimberlain is the British politician who met with Hitler shortly before Hitler attacked his neighbours. Chaimberlain went back to England and told the people that Hitler was a man that could be reasoned with!!!

Churchill recognized Hitler as a threat back in 1930 while Europe was still in their "peacenik" mode.

And yes I always have to bring things down to a personal level. We change the world as individuals, not collectively.

[Admiral]

It seems impossible to discuss political topics with you without getting on a personal level...

and at most, it's impossible to hear anything else from you than "Islam is bad"/ "We should kill them"