Pope Benedict in Germany

[MissLT]

Yes, that's the second link I posted up there.

[Tora]

Yes, that's the second link I posted up there.

LOL I'm very attentive :P

[MissLT]

It's cool. The part you quoted was easier to understand than the part I quoted from wikipedia. I had to re-read it since I was HAH? for the first time .

[Tora]

It's cool. The part you quoted was easier to understand than the part I quoted from wikipedia. I had to re-read it since I was HAH? for the first time .

Anyhow we've found the consensus 8)

[LadyMacbeth]

Yes, they can. Some Popes have apologized for what other Popes did in the past. There is no such rule that a Pope can't apologize.

He just didn't wanna apologize because what he said wasn't wrong. He didn't make it up by himself; he quoted someone's words. What seems wrong to me is that his motive. He said he wanted peace and build a bridge conntected Christianity and Islam. However, is it right to provoke someone's anger by telling them what they don't wanna hear?

If he quoted those words about them, which means he's already had his own image of them. Also, I don't think he didn't hear of the caricature incident. Just some guys drew some pictures, and the world was kinda upside down. They rampaged the streets and wanted to hang the guys who drew them. Now, those words were repeated from a mouth of the head of Roman Catholic Church. I don't think there is no one who wouldn't wanna kill him. What if those fanatics succeeded? And Catholics would do something back for a revenge. Blah blah blah blah... all the worst scenarios. Thus, the gap of hatred between Christianity and Islam will be even deeper and wider.

I wanna know his real motive behind this speech. I wanna know who helped him with this speech. I wanna know who's really behind this whole thing. Too many things I wanna know just from this nonsensical speech. Rolling Eyes

I think that some people exaggerate. Whatever it means. I mean they have natural tendencies to make little things big or looking for needles inside the hay-heaps. The worse - they find these needles.
I know one man who always says "A devil is hanged on details". And he is right. All in all I think only wider perspective can save this world.

I don't think Christian Pope had bad intention. I think such intention was simply found by people who were looking for it. But it is the hardest thing ever to prove someone his/her bad will/bad intentions.

If you can do it - you can criticise Pope's speech.
If not - better go and take care about your own life - if you have it, of course.

[LadyMacbeth]

What I would like also say is that life can be very awkward thing when each time you are starting to open your mouth to say things about A, B is interrupting you with his fancied ideas that you have just offended C.

Who is wrong and who is right when in such case it is ME!!! who should be scared of B attacking me physically/devasting my places of culture in case of my lack of any interest in B's crazy ideas???

Thus I think it isn't possible to find peace between Muslims and Christians. The first are simply too aggressive.

I also think Polish Pope was wiser that German. He saw the world/Europe from different perspective.
I think his perspective was different and wiser.
Probably also immpossible to implement but it seems to me that after all bit wiser.

Though who can know it... haha?:)

[MissLT]

What I would like also say is that life can be very awkward thing when each time you are starting to open your mouth to say things about A, B is interrupting you with his fancied ideas that you have just offended C.

Yeah. But the thing is that it wasn't his place to lecture them, though. I mean, it would be no biggie if he was nobody and said it. I know I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Majority of Muslims don't like to be lectured by him.

You would think those Muslim religious leaders would take what he said in consideration and, "thank you for your words. We'll see what we can do." blah blah or something like that, you know. Just to be nice so he would get the f*ck off. But they got offended! Well, it's not like it's the first time, so whatever!

I also think Polish Pope was wiser that German.

I think so, too. At least, he didn't give a da*n about their actions. He was more of don't blow me up, and I won't get in your way attitude. With this outrageous world it was the best solution, methinks.

[LadyMacbeth]

Yeah. But the thing is that it wasn't his place to lecture them, though. I mean, it would be no biggie if he was nobody and said it. I know I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Majority of Muslims don't like to be lectured by him.

Hmmm... after publishing my letter above I thought at once: "what for Muslims hear what catholic Pope preaches at all? Do they intend to convert or what?"

That was my first idea. The second was - "but who is Catholic Pope - doth he has double role nowadays - he is both the head of Catholic church and the head of Vatican state.

So I think he should always pinpoint which role he takes at the particular moment cause some serious misunderstandings can appear at once (no doubt).

I don't remember now what he exactedly said but I think he was talking about religion, he was far from giving political opinions so I think the reaction of Muslim world (very complicated notion) was really exagerated (as usually) :( (MY OPINION)

I think so, too.

Well... the stranger is that he was almost shot dead. Don't forget about it. The man who shaped somehow 25 years of history of European and world's christian world could have been dead only in 1981 (instead of 2005).
He didn't tell much then and could be dead.
Can Benedict expect the same threat after his unfortunate speech?
Noone knows it.

[MissLT]

Well... the stranger is that he was almost shot dead. Don't forget about it. The man who shaped somehow 25 years of history of European and world's christian world could have been dead only in 1981 (instead of 2005).
He didn't tell much then and could be dead.
Can Benedict expect the same threat after his unfortunate speech?
Noone knows it.

Tell me one leader, religious or political, who hasn't been threatened to be killed? How humble or peaceful or whatever one is, there are always people who want to kill them for their position. It's strange, but this is how it is.

Benedict's security system is now even tighter after his speech. His life is now almost up for grab. If they could get a hold of him, oh yes, they'd finish him good.

[LadyMacbeth]

Tell me one leader, religious or political, who hasn't been threatened to be killed? How humble or peaceful or whatever one is, there are always people who want to kill them for their position. It's strange, but this is how it is.

Hmmm... that's truth. Some people are jealous, other are professional killers...different reasons.
Ali Agca for example was a professional murderer. Before Polish Pope he never missed (I read somewhere). He targeted at the Pope from the distance of 4-10 metres (they say). And he missed. He was shocked when he got it known that the Pope survived. Ali Agca was from Bulgary (I am not sure).

Benedict's security system is now even tighter after his speech. His life is now almost up for grab. If they could get a hold of him, oh yes, they'd finish him good.

Can you imagine what could happen in Europe/in the world if Turkish professional murderer would shot Benedict XVI?
Sometimes such sparks can start world-wide conflicts. For example historical books teach that murder in Sarajewo was a indirect cause of I World War.

[MissLT]

Hmmm... that's truth. Some people are jealous, other are professional killers...different reasons.
Ali Agca for example was a professional murderer. Before Polish Pope he never missed (I read somewhere). He targeted at the Pope from the distance of 4-10 metres (they say). And he missed. He was shocked when he got it known that the Pope survived. Ali Agca was from Bulgary (I am not sure).

Yeah, it's usually the opposite side that wants to kill them. Like Lincoln, who would wanna kill him? Well, the South did. Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did.

Can you imagine what could happen in Europe/in the world if Turkish professional murderer would shot Benedict XVI?
Sometimes such sparks can start world-wide conflicts. For example historical books teach that murder in Sarajewo was a indirect cause of I World War.

If he got killed and they found out that the killer was from different religion (name calling, a Muslim), it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims. Getting killed for quoting a source from the ancient king is abysmal and outrageous.

People just never get it that you can't kill other in the name of religion, period!!!!!

[LadyMacbeth]

Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did.

Yes. Charles probably dreamt about this moment and it came:( Though I never understood this all glory for Lady Diana. Only when I visited London I could understand some things better. Their glory for Lady Di including.

it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims

I think the same. No doubt:( All in all western societies and Muslim people/Muslim world differ very much and one little spark can start mutual aggresion and visible hatred. :( Maybe not today but who knows what future will bring...
I prefer not to think what would happen if German Pope was killed by someone from Muslim world. Maybe nothing big but maybe...

[MissLT]

Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did.

Yes. Charles probably dreamt about this moment and it came:( Though I never understood this all glory for Lady Diana. Only when I visited London I could understand some things better. Their glory for Lady Di including.

Tell me about it!!! I don't see the big fuss about her. She agreed to that arranged marriage. She cheated on him when she'd found out he was cheating on her. It was eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. She ain't that innocent or a big victim. She did do volunteer work, but in my opinion, she should have. The money she volunteered wasn't hers. Besides, she was in that position, wasn't it right to give something back to others? :?

it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims

I think the same. No doubt:( All in all western societies and Muslim people/Muslim world differ very much and one little spark can start mutual aggresion and visible hatred. :( Maybe not today but who knows what future will bring...
I prefer not to think what would happen if German Pope was killed by someone from Muslim world. Maybe nothing big but maybe...

Neither do I. I'm sick of the Bible isn't right, mine is the truest, it's not peaceful ~, etc. It's getting old.

[LadyMacbeth]

Tell me about it!!! I don't see the big fuss about her.

Oki. Soon I will produce more about it here. Tomorrow.
Today - end of writing to me.

PS. I can only remind that she was 18 when she married or something about. She was young and pretty while Charles isn't pretty at all (we have to admit it sincerely). She could have plenty of lovers. He could have plenty of lovers too but somehow it seems to me he was much less charming for crowds than Diana.
You know - people love appearances.
The rest of this story is also historical - cause in Great Britain everything goes about history. I heard there some news that would be never told on world's media like these about Charles great father who was betraying his beautiful and good wife - Dutch princess Alexandra (or something like that). Alexandra was always very sad, cried a lot of and was very unhappy. Diana surely must have known this story. Maybe thus she was so determined to play tough with a grand son?

[LadyMacbeth]

it should have been written above:

great grandfather
and
great grandson - Charles - future king (hahaha:( )