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LennyeTran wrote: Weight your action to the same size as your appreciation. This is the best measurement to show your gratitude.

Yes, I agree.

A plagiarist is a thief.

Wow, long posts and heated discussion...I've learnt some new words from them. Keep on posting, gentlemen.

Xkalibur wrote:Wow, long posts and heated discussion...I've learnt some new words from them. Keep on posting, gentlemen.

:) Xkalibur, do you call this a heated discussion? For me, it's just exchanging of beliefs and opinions! :)
And this is rather a better way of knowing each other than resorting to violence. It involves a great deal of learning and understanding. You'll be able to test how long is your patience as well... :)

Plagiarism is THEFT, no question about it!!!. The real issue here is what we can do to avoid plagiarism in this forum. Perhaps, banning anyone who plagiarized a paper is the right thing to do....

mentarget wrote:shakespear, I wish you understand how bad I feel concerning this. I feel bad just because I send the articles to educate others not to praise myself or take the credit.

Well, some people do appreciate my effort, while others dont. That is one of the principles of life. I understand !

Concerning suspension, I dont see it as the best option for a commited EC member who do things to educate others. But if that is my reward, I will take it.

Thanks.

My friend, nobody is discussing your intentions... the whole discussion is about what you did to educate us. As Lennye said, the end do not justify the meanings. Anyway..... Allow me to give you an advise: Next time, you should read the article first, and then make an abstract about it. In that way, you will practice your english and avoid plagiarism. Despite of doing that, you still should cite the source....

To: Lennye,

Let's change the environment, say, at school (I don't know if we can call this Plagiarism, too);

Aside from the text approved by the school, is it necessary for the teacher in school to give to the students all the references (s)he has used in preparing the lessons for the day. Will (s)he be charged of theft if (s)he doesn't inform the students.

If this is the case, I think we will run out of teachers who will assist the children to study. :P We will all go back to basic :P (It's not easy to think of nothing. We'll all be crazy? joke!) :)
Lennye, what do you think?

thank you

Krisi wrote:To: Lennye,

Let's change the environment, say, at school (I don't know if we can call this Plagiarism, too);

Aside from the text approved by the school, is it necessary for the teacher in school to give to the students all the references (s)he has used in preparing the lessons for the day. Will (s)he be charged of theft if (s)he doesn't inform the students.

If this is the case, I think we will run out of teachers who will assist the children to study. :P We will all go back to basic :P (It's not easy to think of nothing. We'll all be crazy? joke!) :)
Lennye, what do you think?

:? I'm sorry I'm not following you on this one. Can you be a little more clear? Right now, this is how I understand your question. Correct me if my understanding of your question is misleading.

Most teachers here give out lessons mainly based on textbook materials. That's why we are given textbooks as our sources. And the teachers would tell you which page, which chapter, which paragraph, etc. to look for certain information they lecture. The teachers have already had their knowledge of the information they teach through schooling and experience; however, they do read lessons in textbooks just to prepare and review the information or its changes. They then use their own words to "summarize" the information. How could this be plagiarism when they didn't copy word by word from the sources, and the students know exactly where the information comes from????

LennyeTran wrote:

Krisi wrote:To: Lennye,

Let's change the environment, say, at school (I don't know if we can call this Plagiarism, too);

Aside from the text approved by the school, is it necessary for the teacher in school to give to the students all the references (s)he has used in preparing the lessons for the day. Will (s)he be charged of theft if (s)he doesn't inform the students.

If this is the case, I think we will run out of teachers who will assist the children to study. :P We will all go back to basic :P (It's not easy to think of nothing. We'll all be crazy? joke!) :)
Lennye, what do you think?

:? I'm sorry I'm not following you on this one. Can you be a little more clear? Right now, this is how I understand your question. Correct me if my understanding of your question is misleading.

Most teachers here give out lessons mainly based on textbook materials. That's why we are given textbooks as our sources. And the teachers would tell you which page, which chapter, which paragraph, etc. to look for certain information they lecture. The teachers have already had their knowledge of the information they teach through schooling and experience; however, they do read lessons in textbooks just to prepare and review the information or its changes. They then use their own words to "summarize" the information. How could this be plagiarism when they didn't copy word by word from the sources, and the students know exactly where the information comes from????

Got it. :)