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Postby Danyet » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:47 pm

wllsp wrote:
danyet wrote:She put Russian soldiers life at risk! I do not feel sorry for her.

Look, I don't think you are right about blaming her for putting soldiers' life at risk. She was just a journalist even though a prominent one.


If she was making out that the Chechnyans are the VICTIMS and that Russian soldiers are all evil and bad, then she was inadvertantly giving the enemies of Russia comfort and aid. She was hardening the Chechnyan rebels resolve to fight and kill more Russian soldiers.

She was leading the Chechnyans to believe that all the world was on their side.
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Postby Misi » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:43 am

This woman was not Russian at all. Her nationality was jewish / so she was so-called Russian speaking jew. /
Actually she was born in 1958 in New York, in family of Soviet diplomats worked there. According to laws of the USA the person who has born in this country, after achievement of majority has the right to receive the American passport. In the beginning 90, after disintegration of the USSR, she has issued to itself through embassy of the USA in Moscow the American citizenship.


There are not any reasons to talk about her as about Russian woman.
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Postby wllsp » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:26 pm

Misi wrote:Actually she was born in 1958 in New York, in family of Soviet diplomats worked there. According to laws of the USA the person who has born in this country, after achievement of majority has the right to receive the American passport. In the beginning 90, after disintegration of the USSR, she has issued to itself through embassy of the USA in Moscow the American citizenship.

To be honest, if I'd had chance to get an American passport in 1993 I would have done the same thing even though I fully support Russian troops in that war. As you know we had a really awful situation here and getting an American passport wasn't bad idea at all.
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Postby wllsp » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:39 pm

danyet wrote:If she was making out that the Chechnyans are the VICTIMS and that Russian soldiers are all evil and bad, then she was inadvertantly giving the enemies of Russia comfort and aid. She was hardening the Chechnyan rebels resolve to fight and kill more Russian soldiers.

She was leading the Chechnyans to believe that all the world was on their side.


Yes, I agree, she was doing things which supported Chechen rebels. However, that worries me is not her position but rather rumours that she was paid for that beforehand.

Anyway, my first post was meant to underline that we should not put blame on her despite her anti-Russian position. The army was not adequately prepared for this war and Russian generals in fact must bear full responsibility for their solders.
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Postby Misi » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:46 pm

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Yes, I agree, she was doing things which supported Chechen rebels. .....



Excuse me, please. It seems my english skills are so far from fluent. But what does 'rebel' actually mean?

As my memory serves me right Chechens who killed children in a school in Beslan were typical bandits and terrorists. Or a 'rebel' really means an 'islamic patriot', the same as these islamic patriots who commited suicide 11th September in USA and later in London when they gave their lives as a sacrifice in a blessed fight of islam against american and british capital?.
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Postby wllsp » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:52 pm

Misi wrote:
wllsp wrote:....
Yes, I agree, she was doing things which supported Chechen rebels. .....



Excuse me, please. It seems my english skills are so far from fluent. But what does 'rebel' actually mean?

Meaning of rebel:
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/rebel;_ylt=AiB45GuMjO8vAZZHEsGqUX.sgMMF
Besides, this is a phrase I've heard lots of times on CNN.

My mistake was that I used the wrong tense. I should have said "she did things which supported Chechen rebels."

Misi wrote: As my memory serves me right Chechens who killed children in a school in Beslan were typical bandits and terrorists

Sure.
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Postby Danyet » Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:51 pm

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My mistake was that I used the wrong tense.

No. Your tense is correct in both cases. The sentences have the same meaning.

Your mistake was referring to Chechnyan Terrorists as mere "rebels". Islamic rooted rebellion always involves terrorism. And anyone who aids these terrorists deserves to end up like this stupid woman.
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Postby Misi » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:11 pm

Ohhh Thank you for your remarks.
It seems I understood a little bit....so bandits who killed Russian children are 'rebels' / To refuse allegiance to and oppose by force an established government or ruling authority /, but islamic patriots who fought against USA are 'terrorists', but american terrorists who kill innocent people in Iraq are 'creators of democracy' ...

It is so difficult to learn english in this case.

P.S. I can not find such american word as 'nigger' /by the way there is not such word as 'nigger' in Russian language/ in NTC's Dictionary of American Slang and Colloqual Expressions (The Most Practical Reference for the Informal Expressions of Contemporary American English , third edition NTC's publishing groop), but in my English-Russian dictionary (Multilex 2.0) I have this word and examples of this using ..

nigger ['nIge] n
1. амер. пренебр. черномазый, ниггер
field nigger — ист. «полевой ниггер»; невольник-негр, работающий на плантации
house nigger — ист. «дворовый ниггер», слуга-негр (из невольников)
to work like a nigger — @ работать как вол
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Postby Danyet » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:22 am

No, you still don't understand. The scum that killed kids in Beslan were terrorists and Islamic terrorists at that.

Also, USA is not terrorist group. But I think you already know that. If you don't, then you need to get your information from a more reliable source.
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Postby Misi » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:30 am

Ohhh Yes, I understood at last...Americans who kill innocent citizens in Iraq can not be terrorists because they use modern weapons for it. Thank you very much for your explanation.
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