Join me on the map.

[Shazzam]

Hi everyone a friend of mine sent me this link to sign up on a map to try and bring attention to the problems that global warming is having in our country.

I'm not sure if this is a worldwide campaign or not but I am attaching the weblink for people to check out.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign.asp?campaign_id=51

[Danyet]

What a load of rubbish! Global warming, it is only a theory! Australia is having problems because it is Australia that's all. I mean look where it is. In the middle of nowhere and it is just one big desert. It is supposed to be hot there! And water? Don't even get me started. You keep inviting immigrants into Australia though EVERYBODY KNOWS there is not enough water in the first place. So I'm not adding my name to that list of tree huggers you have there missy, See? So There!

[Shazzam]

What a load of rubbish! Global warming, it is only a theory! Australia is having problems because it is Australia that's all. I mean look where it is. In the middle of nowhere and it is just one big desert. It is supposed to be hot there! And water? Don't even get me started. You keep inviting immigrants into Australia though EVERYBODY KNOWS there is not enough water in the first place. So I'm not adding my name to that list of tree huggers you have there missy, See? So There!

No problem Danyet! I assume that you would have loved "the white Australia Policy".

I disagree with your theory that it is Australia's immigration policy; or the fact that it is one great desert as your theory on water shortages. It has been bad planning by governments that I have known for years that there had to be alternative dams built (i.e. Warragamba) etc. Also the use of grey water has never been fully explored in this country. So really I think that those issues form part of the water shortage problem.

In addition considering that you feel that global warming is just a theory; why is there so much scientific evidence in support of the theory.

For example; they say that the Great Barrier Reef is in threat of disappearing as the water temperatures are rising each year which ultimately affects the coral?

[mr_Love]

hi Shazzem

i wanted to be on the map with others.

but it seems that they didnt accept me

i dont have postcod !!!

so i just write a number from my mind i think it was 1987

and mu luck was on an island faaaaaaaaar away from the mother land.. i dont know what is it ?

do you know it Shazzem ??

[Shazzam]

hi Shazzem

i wanted to be on the map with others.

but it seems that they didnt accept me

i dont have postcod !!!

so i just write a number from my mind i think it was 1987

and mu luck was on an island faaaaaaaaar away from the mother land.. i dont know what is it ?

do you know it Shazzem ??

Hi Mr Love, and welcome to the Australia forum GLAD to see you. I don't understand it myself. I think you must look for your Country first. Please keep trying. Glad you even tried. GOOD FOR YOU!!!

[Shazzam]

What a load of rubbish! Global warming, it is only a theory! Australia is having problems because it is Australia that's all. I mean look where it is. In the middle of nowhere and it is just one big desert. It is supposed to be hot there! And water? Don't even get me started. You keep inviting immigrants into Australia though EVERYBODY KNOWS there is not enough water in the first place. So I'm not adding my name to that list of tree huggers you have there missy, See? So There!

After some time i read your reply again tonight. You are a very arrogant little person aren't you. I can't believe how single minded you are at times. You were born here and yet you pretend that immigration has caused all this countries problems. My god you know better! You know that it is piss poor planning by the Government. They were too busy planning highways, Olympic games etc. Grey water was the least of their worries. Now in Queensland they are asking people to drink their own piss. Come on! If they had got their act together 20 years ago and got people to use grey water to flush their toilets we wouldn't even be talking about water shortages.!

~ hell Danyet you have wasted too much time talking about religion you need to look into the real issues in Australia!!!!!

[Dixie]

It says my postcode must have 4 numbers, but it has 5 actually

[Danyet]

If they had got their act together 20 years ago and got people to use grey water to flush their toilets we wouldn't even be talking about water shortages.!

YOu just proved my point. If you need to start recycling your water the you must already have too many people.

And here are your "global warming" temperatures.
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html
Back in 1975 "scientists" were worried about global cooling and the "coming ice age". Global warming or cooling, are pushed for political reasons not scientific reasons.

"Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."

This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.

So we have a smaller fraction.

But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

[Shazzam]

There seems to be alot of contradictory information available on websites regarding global warming. My opinion is that you only have to look at large pieces of ice (i.e. Canada) that are breaking away; the theory seems to apply there. There have been studies conducted at the Great Barrier Reef that prove that water temperatures have risen and that some sea creatures (including coral itself) are in danger due to same.

For too many years people have taken for granted that you turn on a tap and water will be there. Governments have only recently campaigned to the public for change in attitudes towards water usage.

We have had a tendancy of building water supply dams in areas that have minimal rainfall (this has been proven). The Government has known this for sometime but don't want to spend the money building dams in areas on the east coast (*where rainfall is plentiful) as they sell this land and make profits from it. In cities like Sydney for example, land prices are at such a premium that the government would not use any land for a large dam (the land itself seems to be too valuable a resource to them).