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"the described problem"

Unread postby marcchehab » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:12 pm

Hello

I was asked by a student whether or not 'the described problem' was correct or not. Is it? It sounds really awkward to me and I would intuitively say 'the problem described'.

I have investigated of course and this is my solution to the problem:
'described' is not a real adjective, but a participle adjective, so it belongs BEHIND THE NOUN. Participle adjectives derive from a verb.

Let's make an example. A real adjective like 'beautiful' is used before the noun.
A beautiful woman talks to me - yay!

However, participle adjectives are a little different. They originate from a verb (e.g. ' to toss') and are put BEHIND THE NOUN.
I toss a stone. It hits a man in the face. (verb)
The stone tossed hits a man in the face. ('tossed' is a participle adjective)

If this is in any way wrong, please correct me. If not - use it :D
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Re: "the described problem"

Unread postby marcchehab » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:57 am

WRONG!

Participle adjectives can go before the word that they describe as well. They go after the word only, when they are defining or identifying.

She had a welcoming smile. --> participle adjective ' welcoming' before smile.
I counted the children waiting. --> participle adjective ' welcoming' after children.

Now the question must be, is 'described' defining? I would say yes.
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