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pob wrote:

LennyeTran wrote: 1- When I have my negative feelings about someone, my debate won't be justified. To avoid doing that, I won't debate with anyone whom I have negative emotions to.

2- Did I ask for your opinions about my family members? I was sharing my story and you attacked my loved one? How dare you....

1- why do you have negative emotions to me?

2- You still don't understand... I didn't attack, you saw an attack in your mind...

Can we please stay on topic!

shazzam1452 wrote: Can we please stay on topic!

Sorry, I'll delete my messages...

pob wrote:

shazzam1452 wrote: Can we please stay on topic!

Sorry, I'll delete my messages...

No need to delete your messages; i don't think you can do that anyway. We just need to stay on topic otherwise it gets very boring for other people that would like to join in on this thread. :)

I don't believe. When a person dies, all have finished.

Silvita wrote:I don't believe. When a person dies, all have finished.

Then how do you explain the evidence of ghost that people have seen or felt?

Excuse me for that but I going to answer your question with another question. How do you explain the differences between of ghosts?
If the ghosts would true, all of them would be similar. All of them are different and with different manifestations. All the people when describe a horse say the same, but when describe a ghost never they are in complete agree. You can’t find two ghost’s tales identical.

Silvita: why should ghosts be similar?

Anyway, I tend to believe in buddhism... reincarnation can't be a stupid thing. Sometimes we have dreams, or remembrances, ok, it's not proved that they are from our previous lifes, but why not? It's hard to think, that we will die, and then there will be the big nothing. I think our soul really moves into another body.

Silvita wrote:Excuse me for that but I going to answer your question with another question. How do you explain the differences between of ghosts?
If the ghosts would true, all of them would be similar. All of them are different and with different manifestations. All the people when describe a horse say the same, but when describe a ghost never they are in complete agree. You can’t find two ghost’s tales identical.

They could describe the horse in the same way if they were given the same horse; however, would you think they describe it in the same way if they were given different horses? Same thing for people who have seen and felt ghost. They didn't see the same ghost; they saw different ones. How do you expect them to describe what they saw in the same way when they saw different things? I just don't get it......

All the horses are different, of course, but all of them have four legs, a big heat, run so fast, and eat gram.
When different people describe a ghost and their manifestation they told things so different. One of then fly, the other is like a light, the other is a cold presence.
If this phenomenon would be real, they would be more similar.
I think, however, that believe o no in ghost is an act of faith. I don't believe, for me the death is only the final. But I respect the people that believe in the ghosts.

I don't know if you can call a ghost a reincarnation. To me the definition of reincarnation is you come back as a person and live a life. A ghost doesn't live a life.

I some religions they believe that if you make it into heaven etc that is eternal life.

Reincarnation is a belief that you actually live more than one life on earth i.e. you can be born as a cattle herder in New Zealand in your first life; in your second life you can come back as a prime minister of a country.

The supposide credibility of reincarnation is that some people state that they can remember their previous lives on earth.

Very interesting.

Shirley Mclaine (a famous; and wonderful actress) claims to have been here before and supposedly remembers her prevoius lives. 8)

shazzam1452 wrote:I don't know if you can call a ghost a reincarnation. To me the definition of reincarnation is you come back as a person and live a life. A ghost doesn't live a life.

The problem is anything could happen. If there are ghosts, then there are reincarnations. Right?

Lennye wrote:The problem is anything could happen. If there are ghosts, then there are reincarnations. Right?

OMG!!!!!!

Ghost and reincarnation are different things. Both are part of different belivings.
Lenny do you think that a Ghost is a reincarnated being. jajajajajajajajajaj.
Silvita you are a bright girl, please send me a PM to talk about budism. I´m very interested. I don´t think after died people get the glory and go to the heaven if they were good in the life, while "bad" people go with the evil. this don´t have sense for me.

louvicine wrote:

Lennye wrote:The problem is anything could happen. If there are ghosts, then there are reincarnations. Right?

OMG!!!!!!

Ghost and reincarnation are different things. Both are part of different belivings.
Lenny do you think that a Ghost is a reincarnated being. jajajajajajajajajaj.
Silvita you are a bright girl, please send me a PM to talk about budism. I´m very interested. I don´t think after died people get the glory and go to the heaven if they were good in the life, while "bad" people go with the evil. this don´t have sense for me.

What I meant was that both of these subjects are out of human's understanding. There are much more in life and universe that we don't know yet; therefore, there is a no definite answer for most of the things as like ghost or reincarnation. Get it now?

I see what you are trying to say Lenny they are both unknowns.

But I must admit I do see a difference between ghosts and reincarnation. Just that a ghost is a spirit of someone; reincarnation is living a new life (the only difference is that this person believes that they have lived another life before this one).

I'm not sure about either.

I think I am the kind of person that would have to experience it! Now that is a scarry thought.

shazzam1452 wrote:I see what you are trying to say Lenny they are both unknowns.

But I must admit I do see a difference between ghosts and reincarnation. Just that a ghost is a spirit of someone; reincarnation is living a new life (the only difference is that this person believes that they have lived another life before this one). I'm not sure about either.

I think I am the kind of person that would have to experience it! Now that is a scarry thought.

Either if a ghost or reincartion is true, we would still come to a conclusion that there are souls. Death might not be the end of each's life. And birth might be not a pure beginning of each indiviual; it might be a repeated cycle of souls.

LennyeTran wrote:


Either if a ghost or reincartion is true, we would still come to a conclusion that there are souls. Death might not be the end of each's life. And birth might be not a pure beginning of each indiviual; it might be a repeated cycle of souls.

Ok Lenny I definately understand where you are coming from and you definately put up a great argument.

What I would like to do is simplify this thread.

So what I am suggesting is that we leave ghosts out of the thread.

I will try my best to redefine the idea of reincarnation.

I haven't been able to read everything available at this website but I think it will give people a better definition of the idea of reincarnation:

http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

I will try to look further into this site during the week.

shazzam1452 wrote: Ok Lenny I definately understand where you are coming from and you definately put up a great argument.

What I would like to do is simplify this thread.

So what I am suggesting is that we leave ghosts out of the thread.

I will try my best to redefine the idea of reincarnation.

I haven't been able to read everything available at this website but I think it will give people a better definition of the idea of reincarnation:

http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

I will try to look further into this site during the week.

You know I don't like reading and you gave me this long ass article. Man, oh man.... I'm only one-third done with it. Give me another week or two to finish the whole thing then we'll talk .

I belive in PARADISE but not in reincarnation.