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In part I agree with some of what you have said Danyet. My question is though what crimes suit this penalty? Murder obviously but what other crimes? Also who do you think should carry out the sentence and how should it be carried out?danyet wrote:I think that there are times that the death penalty must be used. Everyones dies. It is just a question of when some people should die. Some people should not be supported for the rest of their lives in prison by their victims families.
However I do have concern that some innocent people have been convicted and executed for crimes that they did not commit. Therefore I do understand the position of those who are against the death penalty. If we are going to have the death penalty we must overhaul our judicary system and oversee zealous prosecuters.
Like I said on the other thread, I'm totally against it because I think that if you kill a terrorist, you become one. You're just acting like them.Shazzam wrote:I'm really interested in getting a full view of this Dixie, why are you against it?
Thanks Dixie :)Dixie wrote:Like I said on the other thread, I'm totally against it because I think that if you kill a terrorist, you become one. You're just acting like them.Shazzam wrote:I'm really interested in getting a full view of this Dixie, why are you against it?
I also said, on the other hand, that, if somebody killed someone I love, I would totally support dealth penalty for that monster. So I think it's a matter of subjectivity.
But in general I am totally against death penalty.
You have to think though; what crimes deserve this punishment? In some countries you can be sentenced to death for having two estacy tablets on your person. 
I think that in certain cases Rape should get the death penalty rape is a crime that can involve the life and death of another. The woman could die in childbirth. It involves the creation of life so the penalty should invole life and death also. Certain child rapers should be killed also. There should be no death penalty for any drug offences. Taking drugs is a personal choice. Being raped is not.Shazzam wrote:[
In part I agree with some of what you have said Danyet. My question is though what crimes suit this penalty? Murder obviously but what other crimes? Also who do you think should carry out the sentence and how should it be carried out?
You can't exclude the argument in regards to DRUGS though. I'm not talking about peoples choice to take drugs; i'm talking about the dealers and smugglers of heavy drugs (i.e. heroin etc). It is known what problem these drugs cause for society. I have seen people die from using heroin (it is not a pretty sight). Who cares about weed (not me) I'm talking about people that smuggle or have on their person more than what would be considered "for personal use".danyet wrote:There should be no death penalty for any drug offences. Taking drugs is a personal choice. Being raped is not.Shazzam wrote:[
In part I agree with some of what you have said Danyet. My question is though what crimes suit this penalty? Murder obviously but what other crimes? Also who do you think should carry out the sentence and how should it be carried out?
Euthanesia should be the preferred method of exocution but I have no problem letting a victims family member using an axe in some instances.
ShazzamShazzam wrote:Same with you ahmads, could you share you opinion on why you support the death penalty. Is it legal in your country?ahmads wrote:I am with death penalty
hhhhh...so YOu will kill me hhhhhh, ok you will kill me ,Rui wrote:i'm totally against death penalty, and will kill who don't agree with me 8)
(though, i get the pro-DP's points.. it's just that we differ from our beliefs and views..) Who says? Did he tell you this?TearHere wrote: no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..
TearHere wrote: two.. just like what Dixie said(not exactly what she stated..), if you kill another person, you're becoming a murderer yourself..
Firstly the ten commandments tell us "Thou shalt not kill".danyet wrote:Who says? Did he tell you this?TearHere wrote: no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..
TearHere wrote: two.. just like what Dixie said(not exactly what she stated..), if you kill another person, you're becoming a murderer yourself..
You obviously don't know the difference between Murder and Killing, now do you?.
The pro's and con's of the death penalty is a serious issue. Perhaps we should leave emotions out of this and stick to facts.
One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.I think everyone here is trying to do that!
This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.
I agree whole heartedly with the principle of the death penalty to the point where i think that it is immoral NOT to have death penalties. I have concerns for the ability of American judicial system to implement the death penalty without making huge blunders.Shazzam wrote:
Obviously you agree then that the death penalty isn't such a good idea?????
Rui wrote:i'm totally against death penalty, and will kill who don't agree with me 8)
One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.
This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.
Again, totally know what you're talking about, dude. This is exactly how I feel.danyet wrote:I think that there are times that the death penalty must be used. Everyones dies. It is just a question of when some people should die. Some people should not be supported for the rest of their lives in prison by their victims families.
However I do have concern that some innocent people have been convicted and executed for crimes that they did not commit. Therefore I do understand the position of those who are against the death penalty. If we are going to have the death penalty we must overhaul our judicary system and oversee zealous prosecuters.
Shazzam wrote:
Firstly the ten commandments tell us "Thou shalt not kill".
Shazzam wrote:Secondly: What is the difference between murder and killing? The result is the same?
Simple answer: we make mistakes sometime.Shazzam wrote:Thirdly: If you don't have faith in the judicial system; then how can you have faith in the death penalty?
How come I happen to agree with your perspectives a lot....Anahita wrote:Rui wrote:i'm totally against death penalty, and will kill who don't agree with me 8)
In one word , exactly what i am thinking about death penalty!
but seriously i know it may sounds a little cruel but look at it from the logical POV , its all about cause and effect .. you kill some one , you will punished .. simple ..
Danyet wrote
One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.
This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.
true but well , in my opinion , what is happening in your current life it is due to your pervious life's events ( lol , yeah , i know its a Buddhism talking and it may makes you laugh but thats how i feeling about this ) so nothing happens without a reason .. just my 2 cents ..
Well then bringing God or the Bible to this picture is invalid since we're doing the same thing he did in a sense, right?Shazzam wrote: In reply Lenny I have heard of groups of people that kill their own children, but I won't name names.
People do everything they could to prove someone is guilty or not; however, there are times the evidences just don't support their innocence if they happen to be ones. Thus, there are times we kill the innocent ones that we thought were guilty. That's why those families have the apologies from the government. It's sad, but what about those people who are really guilty and we can't kill them because there is no death penalty? Besides, the cases of people who have proven innocent but died are way less than those who have proven guilty and died.Shazzam wrote:Saying that 'mistakes happen' is very sad. So it is ok to murder someone as long as it is a mistake?
I understand you opinion. I think everyone will have a different view on the death penalty. In alot of countries I think the death penalty is applied not only for the crime but for economical reasons. In Australia we don't have the death penalty. I have to be honest I'm against it, but I do understand people being for it (for various reasons).LennyeTran wrote:Well then bringing God or the Bible to this picture is invalid since we're doing the same thing he did in a sense, right?Shazzam wrote: In reply Lenny I have heard of groups of people that kill their own children, but I won't name names.
People do everything they could to prove someone is guilty or not; however, there are times the evidences just don't support their innocence if they happen to be ones. Thus, there are times we kill the innocent ones that we thought were guilty. That's why those families have the apologies from the government. It's sad, but what about those people who are really guilty and we can't kill them because there is no death penalty? Besides, the cases of people who have proven innocent but died are way less than those who have proven guilty and died.Shazzam wrote:Saying that 'mistakes happen' is very sad. So it is ok to murder someone as long as it is a mistake?
I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?Butler wrote:Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.
The authority. They're the ones who should carry out justice. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of one human killing another for revenge.Shazzam wrote:I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?Butler wrote:Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.
From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs.LennyeTran wrote:The authority. They're the ones who should carry out justice. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of one human killing another for revenge.Shazzam wrote:I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?Butler wrote:Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.
In addition they are handsomely paid. When you help a person, you'd feel good. And when you help more people, you'd feel extremely good. Eventually, you'd feel like you're a generous person. For this case, it's the same thing, but in different form. Those guys think they carry out justice to eliminate the bad ones. The more they do it, the more they think they're heros who bring justice to people and get rid of evils on Earth. To me, it's a psychological disorder, but who wouldn't have it when your job was to kill another person. By the way, what do you mean by ENJOY their jobs? Do they do it happily or they can do it easily? It's because it's easy doesn't mean they should be happy and happy... well, I don't know about that. :?Shazzam wrote:
From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs.
i was struck with this question. Look, i don't know what your religion is( or if you don't have, for all i caredanyet wrote:Who says? Did he tell you this?TearHere wrote: no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..
).. i didn't say that this is believed by everyone Let me quote myself..
this is what I believe in.. i guess, that's why they call it opinion..TearHere wrote:(though, i get the pro-DP's points.. it's just that we differ from our beliefs and views..)
i respect your opinion, whatever it is. that's just how i look at it, now, if it is elaborating my belief that you want, i think there is a proper forum for it, and i have the very least intention of discussing it with you.. and clearly i'm not trying to apply or generalize it with everybody else's opinion.Exactly.Shazzam wrote: I think everyone will have a different view on the death penalty. In alot of countries I think the death penalty is applied not only for the crime but for economical reasons. In Australia we don't have the death penalty. I have to be honest I'm against it, but I do understand people being for it (for various reasons).
I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking.LennyeTran wrote:When you help a person, you'd feel good. And when you help more people, you'd feel extremely good. Eventually, you'd feel like you're a generous person. For this case, it's the same thing, but in different form. Those guys think they carry out justice to eliminate the bad ones. The more they do it, the more they think they're heros who bring justice to people and get rid of evils on Earth. To me, it's a psychological disorder, but who wouldn't have it when your job was to kill another person. By the way, what do you mean by ENJOY their jobs? Do they do it happily or they can do it easily? It's because it's easy doesn't mean they should be happy and happy... well, I don't know about that. :?Shazzam wrote:
From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs.
I can't believe that you feel that someone deserves to die and that the person that carries out the act is a hero. I'm totally amazed. 
Maybe you haven't watched enough movies to see how they portrait those guys. And you don't think there are people who think this way out there? Just tell me if you think they're existed or not. This is not how I feel to make things clear, by the way.Shazzam wrote:
I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking.
None of the above. I do understand exactly where you are coming from. I do understand that in some societies it is widely accepted.LennyeTran wrote:Maybe you haven't watched enough movies to see how they portrait those guys. And you don't think there are people who think this way out there? Just tell me if you think they're existed or not. This is not how I feel to make things clear, by the way.Shazzam wrote:
I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking.
I told you there are certain people deserve death penalty and to me one of those people are drug dealers; however, how they choose to die, their last wishes, and a few seconds to a minute to mourn them as once being human beings should be respected to me. I'm sick of others who deserve this and that and can't have because we waste money to guard those guys for what they've done. What about orphans who might have a chance to have a better future if we have enough money to care for them? What about children in Africa? We might have enough money for food for them if the money doesn't go to use guards to guard those guys.
Personally, I don't go against or for things; I like to have choices. And keeping the death penalty in the open field gives us a choice whether what someone has done would give them the death penalty. Is it too immoral for you? Too cold? Too thirsty-blooded? Too cruel?
Of course you would have to make sure that the Island was shark infested so they couldn't swim off. There might be a chance those money will be wasted, but we can lash out at the government if they wasted our money. However, we can't complain if those money get wasted for guarding in jails. It's our own fault to be soft and tender with people who deserve what they should be deserving.Shazzam wrote: Society feels a great frustration at the overall price of feeding and accomodating prisoners. I am a big believer in rehabilitation, you can't accomplish that if the person is dead. Yes rehabilitation costs money, but there are no guarantees that this money would be spent on children in Africa or orphans. Government would use the money to give the politicians a payrise or build new toilets at the White House (or Government House). We have seen the waste that goes on.
Alcatraz island is one.Shazzam wrote:Maybe the early settlers had the right idea, find a deserted Island and transport them there.
I'm not saying it wouldn't feel like it. Of course I would. I just don't think I could physically or morally do it.Admiral wrote:So you don't want to kill the guy who kills your mom?Shazzam wrote:I agree it is a hard situation I don't have the answer. I know that I just have to follow my heart, and my heart says that killing is wrong no matter why or how it happens.
I know my mother wouldn't want me too either.
