Do you agree with the death penalty?

[Danyet]

no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..

Who says? Did he tell you this?

two.. just like what Dixie said(not exactly what she stated..), if you kill another person, you're becoming a murderer yourself..

You obviously don't know the difference between Murder and Killing, now do you?.
I suggest you look it up in the dictionary.

The pro's and con's of the death penalty is a serious issue. Perhaps we should leave emotions out of this and stick to facts.

One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.

This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.

[Shazzam]

no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..

Who says? Did he tell you this?

two.. just like what Dixie said(not exactly what she stated..), if you kill another person, you're becoming a murderer yourself..

You obviously don't know the difference between Murder and Killing, now do you?.


The pro's and con's of the death penalty is a serious issue. Perhaps we should leave emotions out of this and stick to facts.

I think everyone here is trying to do that!

One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.

This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.

Firstly the ten commandments tell us "Thou shalt not kill".

Secondly: What is the difference between murder and killing? The result is the same?

Thirdly: If you don't have faith in the judicial system; then how can you have faith in the death penalty?

[Danyet]

Obviously you agree then that the death penalty isn't such a good idea?????

I agree whole heartedly with the principle of the death penalty to the point where i think that it is immoral NOT to have death penalties. I have concerns for the ability of American judicial system to implement the death penalty without making huge blunders.

However there are still cases where the death penalty should be clearly used in America.

It is immoral not to kill a guys like Ivan Milac and Ted Bundy. These guys should be exocuted with a ball peen hammer!

[Anahita]

i'm totally against death penalty, and will kill who don't agree with me 8)

In one word , exactly what i am thinking about death penalty!

but seriously i know it may sounds a little cruel but look at it from the logical POV , its all about cause and effect .. you kill some one , you will punished .. simple ..

Danyet wrote

One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.

This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.

true but well , in my opinion , what is happening in your current life it is due to your pervious life's events ( lol , yeah , i know its a Buddhism talking and it may makes you laugh but thats how i feeling about this ) so nothing happens without a reason .. just my 2 cents ..

[Shazzam]

Another idea!

It also says in the bible 'an eye for an eye'. So in contract with "thou shall not kill", my interpretation of that would be that if it is something that happens directly to you or yours you can take action.

That is why I was thinking that the only way that the death penalty can work is if the victims relatives are the ones that carry out the deed! What do you think?

[MissLT]

I think that there are times that the death penalty must be used. Everyones dies. It is just a question of when some people should die. Some people should not be supported for the rest of their lives in prison by their victims families.
However I do have concern that some innocent people have been convicted and executed for crimes that they did not commit. Therefore I do understand the position of those who are against the death penalty. If we are going to have the death penalty we must overhaul our judicary system and oversee zealous prosecuters.

Again, totally know what you're talking about, dude. This is exactly how I feel.

[MissLT]

Firstly the ten commandments tell us "Thou shalt not kill".

Well, God punished men several times, I think, in the Old Testament. If you criticized his action, wouldn't it be called killing his own children? :? I think it's darn sure it cannot be called punishment because no one punishes their own children with deaths, do they? :? :?

Secondly: What is the difference between murder and killing? The result is the same?

I think what he meant is a murderer, for example the guy of Columbine High School massacre, has purposes to kill other people. Those people like him deserve death penalty. However, people who put those people in trial and sentence them to death are different. They carry out what is called justice. Sometimes, putting a murderer in jail doesn't bring any goods. Firstly, it's a waste of taxes that can be used in education, health care, etc instead of paying guards to guard them. Secondly, would any of us guarantee that they would live in remorse for what they did? I, personally, highly doubt that. Thirdly, I don't see how one could have fate in justice when those people who decided to take other people's lives away and all they would get is just to spend their time in jail ....

Thirdly: If you don't have faith in the judicial system; then how can you have faith in the death penalty?

Simple answer: we make mistakes sometime.

[MissLT]

i'm totally against death penalty, and will kill who don't agree with me 8)

In one word , exactly what i am thinking about death penalty!

but seriously i know it may sounds a little cruel but look at it from the logical POV , its all about cause and effect .. you kill some one , you will punished .. simple ..

Danyet wrote

One thing I have been looking into (and this is of interest especially for those against the death penalty) Are some findings of studies that showed that gun powder residue is transferrable to innocent people from the back seat of a police squad car. Also if a gun is fired in a room and the guy that fires the gun leaves, someone else entering that same room a few minutes later can actually accumulate more gun residue on himself that the guy that fired the weapon because of the dispersion of gun residue particles into the air.

This is troublesome because innocent people can be convicted on gun residue evidence and then later EXOCUTED.

true but well , in my opinion , what is happening in your current life it is due to your pervious life's events ( lol , yeah , i know its a Buddhism talking and it may makes you laugh but thats how i feeling about this ) so nothing happens without a reason .. just my 2 cents ..

How come I happen to agree with your perspectives a lot....

[Shazzam]

In reply Lenny I have heard of groups of people that kill their own children, but I won't name names.

Saying that 'mistakes happen' is very sad. So it is ok to murder someone as long as it is a mistake?

[MissLT]

In reply Lenny I have heard of groups of people that kill their own children, but I won't name names.

Well then bringing God or the Bible to this picture is invalid since we're doing the same thing he did in a sense, right?

Saying that 'mistakes happen' is very sad. So it is ok to murder someone as long as it is a mistake?

People do everything they could to prove someone is guilty or not; however, there are times the evidences just don't support their innocence if they happen to be ones. Thus, there are times we kill the innocent ones that we thought were guilty. That's why those families have the apologies from the government. It's sad, but what about those people who are really guilty and we can't kill them because there is no death penalty? Besides, the cases of people who have proven innocent but died are way less than those who have proven guilty and died.

[Shazzam]

In reply Lenny I have heard of groups of people that kill their own children, but I won't name names.

Well then bringing God or the Bible to this picture is invalid since we're doing the same thing he did in a sense, right?

Saying that 'mistakes happen' is very sad. So it is ok to murder someone as long as it is a mistake?

People do everything they could to prove someone is guilty or not; however, there are times the evidences just don't support their innocence if they happen to be ones. Thus, there are times we kill the innocent ones that we thought were guilty. That's why those families have the apologies from the government. It's sad, but what about those people who are really guilty and we can't kill them because there is no death penalty? Besides, the cases of people who have proven innocent but died are way less than those who have proven guilty and died.

I understand you opinion. I think everyone will have a different view on the death penalty. In alot of countries I think the death penalty is applied not only for the crime but for economical reasons. In Australia we don't have the death penalty. I have to be honest I'm against it, but I do understand people being for it (for various reasons).

[Unknownsu]

I'm all for it but it depends on the nature of the crime. Murder is, of course, at the top of the list but as danyet says, rape can be just as severe.

[Butler]

Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.

[Shazzam]

Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.

I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?

[Shazzam]

Here is an example of the corruption I was talking about;

Bali's police chief has angrily denied Australian media reports ( which came out 8 days ago) that he was offered $US20,000.00 to influence the outcome of model Michelle Leslie's estacy drug charge.

Earlier this week in Australia media reported that friends and family of Michelle had paid over $100,000 to various authories in Bali to assure her release. Her boyfriend's family are millionaires.

Draw your own conclusions

[MissLT]

Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.

I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?

The authority. They're the ones who should carry out justice. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of one human killing another for revenge.

[Shazzam]

Depends on the crime...I mean for example if someone kills children in cold blood..with no remorse then they deserve to die...if someone rapes and ruins a young girls life the they too deserve it...but there must be no doubt as to the persons guilt.

I agree. But who should carry out the penalty?

The authority. They're the ones who should carry out justice. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of one human killing another for revenge.

From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs. In addition they are handsomely paid.

[MissLT]

From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs. In addition they are handsomely paid.

When you help a person, you'd feel good. And when you help more people, you'd feel extremely good. Eventually, you'd feel like you're a generous person. For this case, it's the same thing, but in different form. Those guys think they carry out justice to eliminate the bad ones. The more they do it, the more they think they're heros who bring justice to people and get rid of evils on Earth. To me, it's a psychological disorder, but who wouldn't have it when your job was to kill another person. By the way, what do you mean by ENJOY their jobs? Do they do it happily or they can do it easily? It's because it's easy doesn't mean they should be happy and happy... well, I don't know about that. :?

[TearHere]

no one has the right to take away anyone's life except for the Creator..

Who says? Did he tell you this?

i was struck with this question. Look, i don't know what your religion is( or if you don't have, for all i care ).. i didn't say that this is believed by everyone Let me quote myself..

(though, i get the pro-DP's points.. it's just that we differ from our beliefs and views..)

this is what I believe in.. i guess, that's why they call it opinion.. i respect your opinion, whatever it is. that's just how i look at it, now, if it is elaborating my belief that you want, i think there is a proper forum for it, and i have the very least intention of discussing it with you.. and clearly i'm not trying to apply or generalize it with everybody else's opinion.

by the way, if in any instance, i misused a term or word in my post, i apologize, i may mean something else, and you just don't get it. (it's inevitable for people who are not so good in expressing/elaborating their thoughts in english fluently, like me.)

I think everyone will have a different view on the death penalty. In alot of countries I think the death penalty is applied not only for the crime but for economical reasons. In Australia we don't have the death penalty. I have to be honest I'm against it, but I do understand people being for it (for various reasons).

Exactly.

[Shazzam]

From what I have been reading; over the years that have been many executioners that REALLY enjoy their jobs. In addition they are handsomely paid.

When you help a person, you'd feel good. And when you help more people, you'd feel extremely good. Eventually, you'd feel like you're a generous person. For this case, it's the same thing, but in different form. Those guys think they carry out justice to eliminate the bad ones. The more they do it, the more they think they're heros who bring justice to people and get rid of evils on Earth. To me, it's a psychological disorder, but who wouldn't have it when your job was to kill another person. By the way, what do you mean by ENJOY their jobs? Do they do it happily or they can do it easily? It's because it's easy doesn't mean they should be happy and happy... well, I don't know about that. :?

I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking. I can't believe that you feel that someone deserves to die and that the person that carries out the act is a hero. I'm totally amazed.

[MissLT]

I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking. I can't believe that you feel that someone deserves to die and that the person that carries out the act is a hero. I'm totally amazed.

Maybe you haven't watched enough movies to see how they portrait those guys. And you don't think there are people who think this way out there? Just tell me if you think they're existed or not. This is not how I feel to make things clear, by the way.
I told you there are certain people deserve death penalty and to me one of those people are drug dealers; however, how they choose to die, their last wishes, and a few seconds to a minute to mourn them as once being human beings should be respected to me. I'm sick of others who deserve this and that and can't have because we waste money to guard those guys for what they've done. What about orphans who might have a chance to have a better future if we have enough money to care for them? What about children in Africa? We might have enough money for food for them if the money doesn't go to use guards to guard those guys.
Personally, I don't go against or for things; I like to have choices. And keeping the death penalty in the open field gives us a choice whether what someone has done would give them the death penalty. Is it too immoral for you? Too cold? Too thirsty-blooded? Too cruel?

[Shazzam]

I wish it was that simple. I just don't understand your way of thinking. I can't believe that you feel that someone deserves to die and that the person that carries out the act is a hero. I'm totally amazed.

Maybe you haven't watched enough movies to see how they portrait those guys. And you don't think there are people who think this way out there? Just tell me if you think they're existed or not. This is not how I feel to make things clear, by the way.
I told you there are certain people deserve death penalty and to me one of those people are drug dealers; however, how they choose to die, their last wishes, and a few seconds to a minute to mourn them as once being human beings should be respected to me. I'm sick of others who deserve this and that and can't have because we waste money to guard those guys for what they've done. What about orphans who might have a chance to have a better future if we have enough money to care for them? What about children in Africa? We might have enough money for food for them if the money doesn't go to use guards to guard those guys.
Personally, I don't go against or for things; I like to have choices. And keeping the death penalty in the open field gives us a choice whether what someone has done would give them the death penalty. Is it too immoral for you? Too cold? Too thirsty-blooded? Too cruel?

None of the above. I do understand exactly where you are coming from. I do understand that in some societies it is widely accepted.

Society feels a great frustration at the overall price of feeding and accomodating prisoners. I am a big believer in rehabilitation, you can't accomplish that if the person is dead. Yes rehabilitation costs money, but there are no guarantees that this money would be spent on children in Africa or orphans. Government would use the money to give the politicians a payrise or build new toilets at the White House (or Government House). We have seen the waste that goes on.

Maybe the early settlers had the right idea, find a deserted Island and transport them there. Of course you would have to make sure that the Island was shark infested so they couldn't swim off.

[illusion]

i think every humanbeing has a right to live and death penalty reminds me of time of holocaust and World War 2...

[Admiral]

Of course, everyone has a right to live, but what should the one who kill other guys deserve?

[illusion]

i know it's difficult to solve this problem. but sometimes ''eye for an eye'' isn't a good solution...

[Shazzam]

i know it's difficult to solve this problem. but sometimes ''eye for an eye'' isn't a good solution...

I agree it is a hard situation I don't have the answer. I know that I just have to follow my heart, and my heart says that killing is wrong no matter why or how it happens.

[MissLT]

Society feels a great frustration at the overall price of feeding and accomodating prisoners. I am a big believer in rehabilitation, you can't accomplish that if the person is dead. Yes rehabilitation costs money, but there are no guarantees that this money would be spent on children in Africa or orphans. Government would use the money to give the politicians a payrise or build new toilets at the White House (or Government House). We have seen the waste that goes on.

There might be a chance those money will be wasted, but we can lash out at the government if they wasted our money. However, we can't complain if those money get wasted for guarding in jails. It's our own fault to be soft and tender with people who deserve what they should be deserving.

Maybe the early settlers had the right idea, find a deserted Island and transport them there. Of course you would have to make sure that the Island was shark infested so they couldn't swim off.

Alcatraz island is one.

[Admiral]

I agree it is a hard situation I don't have the answer. I know that I just have to follow my heart, and my heart says that killing is wrong no matter why or how it happens.

So you don't want to kill the guy who kills your mom?

[Shazzam]

I agree it is a hard situation I don't have the answer. I know that I just have to follow my heart, and my heart says that killing is wrong no matter why or how it happens.

So you don't want to kill the guy who kills your mom?

I'm not saying it wouldn't feel like it. Of course I would. I just don't think I could physically or morally do it. I know my mother wouldn't want me too either.

[illusion]

i know it's difficult to solve this problem. but sometimes ''eye for an eye'' isn't a good solution...

I agree it is a hard situation I don't have the answer. I know that I just have to follow my heart, and my heart says that killing is wrong no matter why or how it happens.

I feel exactly lik you, Shazzam :)

[Admiral]

Shazzam, it's not good to hide emotions.

[Shazzam]

Shazzam, it's not good to hide emotions.

It isn't about hiding emotions, its about controlling oneself.

[Annaa]

It deepens what kind is your crime.I will give you an example,I had a cousin who was about 35 years old,he was so kind,so friendly he wasn`t like other boys,he never come late at home,he never smoke,he never drink,he helped poop people and he just worked very hard and he became rich.He had a FRIEND who called him at his house and said to him I need to exchange about 50000 Euro,my cousin belive him and went in his house ,but when my cousin went there his FRIEND killed him in a ugly way OMG ncncncnncnc he was prapring to eliminate his body somewhere in mountains or I don`t know,but a neighbour saw that in that house is happening sth and called the police.How had he face to say that he didn`t kill him .They judge him with olny 20 years ,he must punished with death penalty and they need to kill him slowly ,cuz he did a assassination with premeditation.When he died,didn`t die only him but also his parents,he was the only child for them and they care so much for him,now if you go to see his parents they r dead living,they never watch tv or go out,they only visit their son`s grave.Life ended that day fr three persons,a family erased.

[Colon]

I think that ''eye for an eye'' is not the a good solution. But dependes on the crime, on the situation, of course.

The problem is how the country do to combate a crime.

[itao]

I can't agree. Because, your writting contains your emotions. When we think about low and craim, we should't have our emotions and we have to become obgectivery. When you write this topics, you had enmity toward the killer. In my opinion, the judgement was true. But I wish the killer had had the death penalty.

[rekhasharmaengg]

against it..... bcoz death penalty is not right way to give punishment.. some tym criminal can changed their thinking or he can help his family and society
&
there are so many cases when, Evidence may be wrong..
but yes
death penalty is right for people like "Abdul Kasam .or i can say for terriost .... ..

[misty]

As a human which is created by image and likeness of God, I don't agree with death penalty. No matter what the sin is. God only has the right to take our lives.

[hafed]

I gree with that ,, cuzz it stops pepole who even think of killing ,, how could we let somone who killed five pepole alive ,, this is unfair ,, let face that it's the god justice

[kondus]

I agree with Misty, but there are some crimes that deserve death penalty.For example,this is an intentional crime against a woman or child.

[viktorv]

I agree. Death penalty is too humane for same crames. It's not about emotions...

[dentist]

I'm not agree with death penatly because, I think that everyone has to live and we can prevent them from the wrong behavior by doing anything but not to kill them so,everyone may do many mistakes in his life so. we have to know how to deal with our or them mistakes and then punish them to let them stop that behavior and don't do it again

[davidbendtner]

Hello Shazzam,

Well i had the very different opinion from the followers and in this context i agree with the Death Penalty,because the DP is been given to a criminal who had been involved in the more serious offense such a terrorism or Rape..

and consider the fact that if he/she would not been given the Death Penalty but still the accused will not be relieved and he/she must have to take the punishment not as DP but as a long number of year's of prison behind the bar's

And the countries where this provision is been followed had a long term prison as much as of 50 years for such criminals,so even in the case the accused is not given death penalty he still need to spend long years behind the bar..which is too painfull then a quick death ..

Thanks;
David

[Liany]

I agree with the death penalty only for Rapist, Corruptor, Drug dealer and people trader.

[alawton]

I live in Texas where we probably execute the most people per year in the US. I am not convinved that it is the solution. It doesn't seem to reduce the crime rate. I've heard that it is more expensive to execute a criminal than it is to keep this same person in jail his whole life. If a person did a crime that is bad enough to deserve the death penalty I think I'd rather see him suffer in a tiny cell for years than letting him have a quick death.

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[sweethuman]

I totally agree with death penalty. The same topic is already posted in some other sections as well.