Let's learn together!

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:15 am

Dear Setareh,

So many thanks for your nice words. Reading your posts, I guess we have a lot in common. As I mentioned before I do love mount climbing. Unfortunately, it's quite a long time I haven't gone to a mount. I hope it'll happen to us in coming days.

setareh wrote:
This question reminded me of a friend which asked me why male animals are more beautiful than female ones. Blah.Blah.Blah. Any way, this question has still remained unanswered in my mind.

In wild life, male animals are supposed to attract females. So they must show off their qualifications as much as they can to keep their generation. I don’t know how far this claim is true-–especially in today’s world, but it’s opposite among human beings.
By the way, are men more beautiful than women? It can be a good controversial topic to discuss- but with respect to man's right.

I’m in a hurry. I’ll participate in your discussion as often as I can-- Inshaallah.

Regards,
Hurieh
Feb 28th/ 2015

Kamelia · Post by **Kamelia** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:11 pm

How are you? Hope you are doing fine. I saw the announcement in my email and thought I would participate in the discussion of beauty, since it is a general topic and a "beautiful" one. Thank you lovely Behnam for the troubles you underwent to send the emails

I could not read all the posts, but I read some of them and I cannot say I did not enjoy. People here are of a variety of ideas; nevertheless, all of them are brilliant and worth pondering.

Now here is mine...when I was a teenager I felt like everything was absolute, that every adjective was firm and that what people older than me or more educated than me thought and believed was the golden rule. I thought human attributions like beauty, ugliness, knowledge and power were fixed, like nobody could change them if a person in higher positions determined them.

Well now..what do I think now? I believe in the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" more than ever. It might seem like a motto, but to me it is the truth itself.

I have seen people loving and taking care of an iguana, watching it eating its meal with a strong enthusiasm as if it were their own child. The scene might seem ugly to some but it still is beautiful to its owner, right?

More than that, I think that everything has the potentiality to be beautiful to some people (if we take beautiful as both a positive and negative word), but I think the only ugly thing in the world is to force someone to see something beautiful, which is not even tolerable to them.

I really wish I am clear enough, because my mind is so busy these days. I just don't find any way to relax this hodge-podge of a factory

Wish you all the best,

Kami

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:51 pm

"Hey man, what are you doing here?" -
"Why, I'm waiting for a tram!"

Thank you guys that you've taken part in my game! I hope it'll be continued. Now I must go for a gig.

Bye bye,
Andrew

Kamelia · Post by **Kamelia** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:12 pm

How are you? Long time no see. How is it going?

I was reading through the posts and then I saw your last post to me and could not stop my embarrassment, since you had asked me a question about Marquez and I had totally forgot to answer that. I really hope that you would accept my sincere apologies.

Lovely Hurieh, I sometimes even forget myself. I feel like I need more hours, 24 is not enough

Regarding your question first of all I must say that It is not only you who does not read novels, but I got some friends, who study PhD of Nursing (nursing? I forgot the term) and none of them express any interest in reading novels except the Donyaye Sufi (have you read this?), which is becoming highly popular among people who are getting more and more interested in reading about philosophy and how it all begun. Tell you what, these friends of mine are knowledgeable and educated like you, so the area of studies for them hovers around scientific articles, magazines and pdf publications. Well for me..It is a little bit different, I HAVE to get familiar with novels, drama, poetry and also their critiques so...there I go

Regarding Marquez...first things first, I love him LOL, but putting biases aside, I think he is very talented in weaving different story lines together and then showing them off to the reader as if it were a piece of cake for him to write it. His One Hundred Years of Solitude is a masterpiece, but it is fairly long and the Farsi version would not really help, since you would get confused with all the names and family names which are all alike. Yet, I highly recommend Love in the Time of Cholera (

) which is a good start to Marquez (the English version's available in Jungle Publishers) aaaand it is not that long to confuse

One more thing, Marquez is all about love, colors, magical yet real scenes (magical realism), and great story lines which remind one of the old nana's tales.

I wrote a lot..so sorry,

Best,

Kami

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:36 pm

Hi Sahala,

Welcome to this place. Thank you for joining us. Indonesians are good English speakers. I've met some Indonesians in the Englishclub chat room. They were good at English. Please participate in discussion actively.

Please write about the last topic which about the definition of beauty in your idea and your criteria. After defining beauty, please choose one of the birds-in the attached photos in previous posts- which meets your criteria and then looks more beautiful to your eyes.

I hope to hear from you soon.

All the best,
Behnam, 28 February, 2015

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:47 am

By the way, in my opinion, you treat your lovely wife a bit like newly-weds. I confess I’ve never met a man like you in person. But a friend of mine says that her husband has such personality. She says :” He’s extremely kind to me. He usually buys (قاقا لی لی ) for me and treats me like a small kid. In return, I try to offend him most of the time, since I’m fed up with this situation. I like to see his seriousness and manish manner, but he deprives me.”
Hurieh
Feb 26th/ 2015

Hi Hurieh,
Thanks a lot for your post and your brilliant idea, I wrote this post last night , but I went to sleep , finally I put it in my draft box before going to bed to check it today , I send it now from my office before going for noon prayer.

The relationship between a couple will be forming after marriage step by step , generally the first two years of common life is not real life ,or it is the real life, during the first two years there is such a powerful physical and spiritual attraction between the spouses that they don't mind to differences ,difference of opinion ,difference of taste ,style .. ,differences are pale until the fire of love is flaming. In this way when the fire of love become cold ,the differencies in any aspects start flaming. My friend who has a child divorced her wife in the same way , when his wife wanted to continue her PHD at university ,he disagreed ,and his wife told him " Honey I love my study more than you ,so it is better to separate from you" and my friend agreed , so they separate from each other and the child is living with my friend , recently he found a new girl, she has MS in aerospace , the same as my friend and she is conversant with literature and poetry ,and they got married , at present the love is firing , heart and kidney is giving and taking, I don't know what will happen for this poor child when this fire became cold .
Another friend of mine, we called him Black Hassan and now he is teaching in one of university out of Iran. He wanted to choose a girl for living ,a girl with following terms , very white skin ( because he was black ) , tall as giraffe ( because his mother was very short and his father suffered for it ) educated ,and not from Isfahan. Finally he found his prances ,she was the girl of an army general and they got married , Black Hassan was very well disciplined, serious and ordered ,at first the fire love was flaming , black and white were mixed ,and fortunately the fertilization was fruitless , the white girl who had been grown up near a General , hated a discipline life, she like to play with her husband without any stress and order, especially when black Hassan start learning English for going aboard ,and he took part in English class after coming home from his work office, and he practice at night by listening audio and satellite channels. He had no time for his wife, Finally his wife separated from him , now she has a florist's shop , I bought a beautiful vase of flower from her last month , she seemed older .
I have many stories, one of them is very funny ,but my fear is that one day , they come here and read their story in this forum, then I don't know what will happen for me.
Having harmony in life is very important , if the two sides becomes inclined to continue their common life ,they should overlook their wills , their faults , if you succeed in life with playing like kid , go head in this way , if you see that being serious is more worked ,so go ahead with seriousness . The most important thing is that two side have the same understanding and aim , the details is important , but we have a proverb which say " he is bald but he has a good voice"

All the best
Mohsen

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:35 pm

Dear Hurieh and Behnam,

I invite you to chess.com. The best is the enemy to the good, isn't it, Behnam?

The matter is, Behnam and I signed up there six years ago. For some reason, we have never played against each other.

All you have to do is create an account (or log in), and click 'live chess'. Also, you may set your preferences, such as time of game and rate range (level of your would-be opponent). After this you may play online against random participant. If you want to play against certain person, you tell your nicknames to each other and schedule the meeting.
My nick is 'Andrew57', and I like playing ten minute game.

Waiting for your reply,
Andrew
p.s. Hurieh, don't you mind if I send you a PM?

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:47 pm

Mohsen wrote:They lie with each other several times in a day and instantly they go to water after intercourse , you see how intelligence and agile they are.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????

Hi Mohsen,

Thank you for your interesting posts. I read all of your posts carefully.

I'm sure some friends will argue with me about quoting that sentence from one of your posts. I am, personally, a naughty man, and look at things naughtily. I am also famous for playing with words. However, I don't know why when reading this sentence I almost sweated of embarrassment! You may not believe it. You may think Behnam is adding to its پیاز داغ , but God knows I am telling you the truth. You may say; "Behnam, you yourself has written many immoral things.." You may give some addresses to prove that I am not a man of moralities. Yes, I don't claim to be a man of moralities. But, I don't know why your sentence made me-impolite man- embarrassed and red-faced!

I am really sad. You may say بدرک That's Ok! I wanted to show you my sadness. No matter how you think and reply!

Dear Mohsen, You are a man of religion. You are my reference in political and religious issues. I often use your opinions when discussing with my colleagues about political items. I have great respect for you and your views. Please help me keep this thread nice, safe, and friendly. Please notice; I don't mean I am an ideal person. No, never! I have got many faults. I think of you as my older brother, and always look forward to your advice.

Sorry if I sound critic.

All the best,
Behnam, 1 March, 2015

skystar · Post by **skystar** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:29 pm

Hi Behnam. Thanks for your nice topic.

Beauty has different meaning to different people. By beauty we mean either inner or outer beauty. However, usually when we say sb or sth is beautiful we mean outer beauty. Beauty is a relative concept. That's why sth that my look beautiful to sb is not beautiful in some one else's eye. things differently because we have different world view. If we believe in inner beauty I think every thing that God has created is beautiful. But if we consider outer beauty it's not like that esp about human beings. Some people are more beautiful than the others. In my opinion, to be beautiful is the matter of being attractive due to having specific colour, shape, ganization or esp the feeling we have when we see sth. I love the one on the right because I feel good when I see it.

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:31 pm

I read my last post tonight, but I was not written well , there are many mistakes in it , sorry for it , dear Hurieh I apologize for it.
In the story of Black Hassan I used a mistake word " Finally he found his prances" I meant princess not prances, means his desired girl

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:41 pm

My dear friend Behnam ,
sorry for your sadness
but I know why you put a part of my writing on top of your post ,you are a real naughty man .

rub the oil on your body ,you need a service.My friends know that why you choose this part of my writing , they answer it to you.

Dear Friends , please judge it , did I write an impolite sentence, Does the scientific writing about animal behavior is impolite . please consider that English words may have several meanings.

skystar · Post by **skystar** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:12 pm

Hi Behnam

I just changes my mind when I saw the new pic.

skystar · Post by **skystar** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:17 pm

Hi Sahala,

Welcome !

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setareh · Post by **setareh** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:42 am

Hi dear Sahala,
Welcome to this wonderful thread.

would you mind telling us a little bit about yourself like your education, your job, your hobbies or any thing you like. We are looking forward to reading from you.
wish you the best
setareh

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:28 am

What is acceptable to post on this forum and what isn't?

There are very few simple board rules in the forum (look at the top of the page). When you sign up, you're a priori considered to be sane and responsible person, and so able to follow the norm accepted in international society. No rules can define the exact words you may say in public. The words that are not allowed just will not display, automatically! I believe we all aware of it and avoid using them. On the other hand, there is no need make English sterile. I don't see any reason to rummage a dictionary for a replacement of simple words, such as sex or sexual intercourse. In my opinion, these words are innocent unless the context is abusive. We shouldn't confuse prudence with puritanism. Remember, some people may regard their goal learning real English, not its disinfected extract.

All the best,
Andrew

p.s. Mohsen, you are found innocent!

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:42 am

setareh wrote:Hi friends, see how many of these expressions look familiar or you can guess the meaning.
I’ll take the fifth.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
To add insult to injury, they didn’t even say thank you.
I am all at sea with out her.
He is always throwing his weight around.
Somebody’s bark is worse than their bite.
Dad has got a bee in his bonnet about saving electricity.
Many happy returns. Nope!
Give somebody the benefit of the doubt. Nope!
Have seen better days. Yep!
Once bitten, twice shy. Nope!
Be in the red. Nope!
Be in the black. Nope!
Good luck,
setareh

Hi Setareh,

I've marked the phrases

for "yes, I know this one" and

for "I've no idea". So my score is 4 out of 13
Will you tell me the meaning of the rest?

Andrew

Elham · Post by **Elham** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:39 pm

Hi Mohsen,

How are you? how are your ducks? Hope the lovely couple are enjoying themselves happily.

Dear Mohsen, I'm going to give my own opinion about your sentences. I read Behnam and Andrew's opinion...they can both be right...I don't know what the fact is...if that description of you from your ducks was right or not...I'm just going to give my opinion....When I read your sentences, I was shocked and said " OH MY GOD"....what's the point of such description? What's been Mohsen's intention to mention his ducks' intercourse?
To be honest, I didn't find your sentences beautiful...they lye with each other and wash themselves after it...
It was nice if you mentioned they love each other...they make love...but....

Emmm, you said it's been a scientific point! Yes? Really? Did you really said it to make a scientific point clear to us? If so, I accept that there's nothing wrong with your sentences....NOTHING.....

After reading Andrew's post I thought why not? Mohsen could describe his ducks' actions as he wants....but thinking more I agree with Behnam...I don't know why when I read your post I felt embarrassed as a girl in this thread....

Anyway....let's forget it....
Take care of your beautiful birds

All the best,
Eli

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:46 pm

Mohsen!

Mo-o-ohse-e-n!

Sir, you're sinking! Aboriginals keep throwing rocks toward the boat. Needs to do something.
One more attack, and it'll start ducking.
So, keep your lols safe, captain. It's for real. Aboriginals don't want you to teach them breeding geese and ponies. They want you to shoot down your cattle and come out with the raised hands. What's you up to, cap, fight or negotiation? If I were you, I would choose the latter.

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:24 pm

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:24 pm

Sorry man,

No more sea, no more cooking! Are you looking for a crew? Take some other people - there are a lot of 'em here. They're all young, agile and ambitious. Andrew's old and absentminded. After all, I'm suffering from, well, it doesn't matter. If you wanna play, say, domino, then I'm yours! Okay, I better move to bed, or otherwise I'll start seeing tiny pink rabbits soon.

Bye,
see you later cap,
Andrew, resigned cook

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:55 am

Hi friends, check the answers:
I’ll take the fifth: according to Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution, you can refuse to answer questions when you get arrested in order to avoid incriminating oneself.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time: if you can not tolerate being in prison, don’t do the crime.
To add insult to injury, they didn’t even say thank you: to make a bad situation worse for someone who has already treated badly.
I am all at sea without her: to be confused or not sure what to do.
He is always throwing his weight around: to use your authority to tell people whatto do in an unpleasant way.
Somebody’s bark is worse than their bite: used to say that someone who seems unpleasant or difficult to deal with is not really too bad.
Dad has got a bee in his bonnet about saving electricity: to think something is so important, so you keep thinking about it.
Many happy returns: used to wish someone happiness on their birthday.
Give somebody the benefit of doubt: to accept what someone tells you, even though you think they might be wrong but you can not be sure.
Have seen better days: to be in a bad condition.
Once bitten, twice shy: used to say that if you have failed or been hurt once, you will be more careful next time.
Be in the red: to owe more money than you have.
Be in the black: to have money in your bank account.
Dear Andrew, thanks for taking part.
Wish the best,
setareh

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:34 pm

I would like to give my condolences regarding the days of mourning of martyrdom of Hazrat Fatima Zahra (sa), the beloved daughter of Prophet Mohammad (may peace be upon him),
Fatima (S.A.) was brought up and trained in the family of Prophet (P.B.U.H) and took advantage and share of the knowledge and wisdom of the Prophet (P.B.U.H) She heard the recitation of Quran from the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) and learnt it by heart, and got busy with the idea and concept of self training and becoming a complete and real human.
She extremely loved her honorable father and the Holy Quran. She took advantage and portion from the blessings of her father's existence. These were the perfections due to which the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) loved her to the extreme.
Prophet (P.B.U.H.)used to say repeatedly, "Fatima (S.A.) is a piece of me, whosoever tortures her he has tortured me, and whoever pleases her has pleased me." One day, the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) of Islam said, "Oh Fatima God gets pleased on your being pleased and gets furious due to your unhappiness and displeasure"

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:25 am

Dear Behnam,

I found this while sorting out old stuff in the attic. Just thought we might make use of it.

Elham · Post by **Elham** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:42 pm

Dear Behnam,
You had asked about beauty......

I was looking for a proper time to sit, think deeply about my idea about beauty and write about it but right now sth happened and brought me here writing this post without any plan.
Tonight , at this very moment that I'm writing this post, I'm filled with beauty....How can I put it into words? I'm feeling and ohhhhhhh I found the word, YES, I'M LIVING THE BEAUTY at this moment...right now
Beauty should be lived... like what I'm experiencing now....

Thankfully, God loves me...thankfully he loves me and has made me familiar with beauty...he's given me enough beauty to feel and live ...I know what beauty is....and I always want him more and more ....more and more and more beauty.....

Beauty was some minutes ago when I had sat in front of my dad looking at his eyes...he was speaking ... and I was immersed in loving him....I looked at him and told myself " Elham, look at him... look at him....who knows how much more you are going to live with him ...look at this man whom without him you couldn't be alive...look at the man who has cared about you more than anybody else in the world....look at him and breath the air he's breathing too...."

Beauty is me myself...I have opened one of my pictures and before coming here I had stared at myself....I was enjoying my beauty...my beautiful eyes...my lovely smile...I love myself.... I'm beautiful... why should I admire such and such beautiful actress or model every day but not myself???? Beauty is Elham and her pure and full of love heart....

Beauty is kindness....oh my god... just god knows how MUCH I love kindness and see it beautiful....have you ever seen anything more beautiful than kindness???????????? I haven't seen...beauty is caring about others.... beauty is making others happy.. beauty is showing another person that you think of him/her...that you miss him/her...that you care about his/her life and mood...beauty is loving others....

Beauty is you and your loyal awesome friendship in which I take pride ....

Beauty is these tears on my cheeks now.... oh godddd...what went in your mind when you decided to create tears? Were you in love too? How could you create such a gentle beautiful heart-healing water that comes out of eyes? WOWWWWWW....Have you ever noticed it?Have you ever noticed the beauty of crying? Beauty is now on my cheeks coming down one after another....

Beauty is night and the peace it brings with itself... beauty is sun and its warmness...beauty is rain and it's life-giving power....beauty is the trees full of wonderful blossoms after a hard cold winter...beauty is the little sparrows singing beautifully on the branches ...beauty is that magical soul-lifting sound of water while flowing on the ground...
My list can go on and onnnn....Till tomorrow morning I can sit here and add to my list...beauty is my fingers pressing these keys...beauty is this calming song I'm listening to...beauty is this thread and having the chance to write this beautiful post...

But above all:

BEAUTY IS LOVE!!!!!!!!!!
Beauty is what I have in my heart now....this gentle feeling that fills my soul and takes me to somewhere out of this world...where I see nothing but beauty....I close my eyes and let the beauty flow in my vessels like blood...

Beauty is GOD....The creator of Elham...the creator of father and mother...the creator of kindness, friendship,tears,night,sun,rain,trees,sparrows,water,

Beauty is GOD...THE CREATOR OF LOVE.......

Smile beautifully please,
Beautiful Eli

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:35 pm

Mohsen, I believe you'll be pleased seeing this meek mammal consuming knowledge assiduously (a reference to a discussion on the page 109)

Kamelia · Post by **Kamelia** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:52 pm

How are you? Ellie jooniii, you don't know how happy you make me everytime your share your feelings, or post something as delightful and fresh as the one you have this time.

I like your positive attitude. I really think your friends are the happiest people, because they have you. Your power in showing how velvety your heart is, is magical

I actually read your post last night while I was so tired, and could not think of rough stuff anymore. You can't imagine what a relief it was reading something as smooth and shiny like that. Congratulations

Write more, so that I can enjoy more,

Love,

Kami

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:26 pm

There are very few simple board rules in the forum (look at the top of the page). When you sign up, you're a priori considered to be sane and responsible person, and so able to follow the norm accepted in international society.

Andrew ,the norm of international society is OK ,but I respect to other’s believes and idea and consider it in my writing even if the norm of international society allows me to write or say it. That is the fact that has kept this forum for long time. There are many differences in believes and customs in societies, so the international norm doesn’t speak about customs and believes in details, it is happened that we didn’t know where the red line was, and if someone broke the red line a little ,others notified him ,because here all member friends.

Dear Andrew I was in your sand box and you always gave me your shovel to load my truck, thank you ,but this time I think you are against me ,because you have resigned from the galley , and now you put the picture of this burly filly addressed to me to make fun of my little duck

what should I do with my bleak future
Mohsen

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:44 pm

Hi Elham,

I remember once I was visiting a Zoo , There were two lions behind the bars and they were making love ( I change the word to decrease the degree of sensitiveness ) , many people ,men women , girls, boys , children were watching the scene and many of them were taking film by their mobiles. I instantly left that lion sector , because I thought that watching this scene beside the girls and women is a sin , although according to Islamic instruction watching animals who making love is abominable ,unless for scientific study .

Dear Elham, You are an educated girl with M.S. degree from Isfahan Industrial University , I don’t know if you've read about animal and plant fertilization (عمل لقاح)in high school , there are some courses in biology about it , also you will be soon marry with nice and wise boy, you will be taken to several learning class, they teach people in that class to learn about a kind of relation with their husband ( because of shock I can’t use words) , in that class ( girl and boys beside each other ) people will see many learning movies ,and power points.

What's been Mohsen's intention to mention his ducks' *****?

When Behnam called my duck lazy ducks , I wrote a sentence about their behaviour , Animal life is only limited to some activities , the most important one is fertilization ,for me the wonderful activity of duck was that they wash themselves after that *** , it is like human , I wrote it how they are intelligence and agile , I defended them because they are not lazy , because lazy creation doesn't wash themselves

All the best
Mohsen

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:55 pm

Hi Mohsen,

Thank you for your interesting posts. I read all of your posts carefully.

I'm sure some friends will argue with me about quoting that sentence from one of your posts.

Hi Behnam,
How are you, I was busy this days ,because I should be in the mosque at night and early morning to prepare some facilities for ceremony of Fatemiah , so I was late to answer ,also it was no argument ,except , Andrew and Elham , Please come back the ocean is calm and all people are in good health.

B.W
Mohsen

Elham · Post by **Elham** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:01 pm

Kamiiiiiiii,

Oh honey....your post really made me happy...thankssssss....I like to believe that my friends could be happy with me...do you really mean it? I hope it's not been just a simple making-Elham-happy comment!!!

What's in your writing that attracts me? I don't know but I love the way you put the words into your posts. I'm listening to sth which relieves me and soften my heart... I give you the link in the hope that it would do the same to you...
http://www.1doost.com/hafez/457.htm

Kisssssssss
Eli

Elham · Post by **Elham** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:08 pm

Dear Mohsen,

Thanks for your explanation. It's convincing...I got your intention...don't worry...your ducks are not lazyy...you chose a funny and interesting way to prove it...okkkkkkkkkk

All the best,
Eli
P.S. I've got B.S degree not M.s. Seems the lazy one is me not your ducks

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:25 pm

Hi friends,

Thank you so much for participating in discussion about beauty. I really enjoyed reading your posts. However, most of them were irrelevant to my question. As you remember, I put some photos of two peacocks without mentioning to their genders. I wanted you to define beauty and set some benchmarks of it, then let us know either the white one meets your criteria or the colourful one. In fact, I wanted you to choose one of them and tell us why it seems beautiful to you. You evaded the question!

The colourful peacock seems more beautiful than the white one. It's feathers are amazing and eye-catching. The physics behind its colourful feathers is really beautiful. Have you ever thought about the reason for those various colours? I am not saying the white one isn't beautiful; if saying so I will create an opportunity to some people to show themselves open-minded by crying: Come on, it's obvious that everything has got some sort of beauty!

It is a fact that some male animals are much more beautiful that female ones. For example, a roster is more beautiful than a hen. A lion is much more impressive and beautiful than a lioness. However, when it comes to human beings, speaking about beauty and answering to that question becomes really difficult. Some people divide beauty into two categories; external and internal beauty. The former is related to someone's outward appearance. The latter one is related to their positive emotions such as love, kindness, sincerity, patience, care, loyalty, etc. It is true that we are often attracted to someone first by their physical appearance. But, what makes them seem beautiful to us? I believe, in human beings, there is a close relationship between external and internal beauties. Positive emotions affect our physical appearance and make it seem attractive and beautiful. A proverb says 'eyes are the window of soul'. It means you can see people's inner layers by looking at their eyes. Someone with golden heart will have a different look from an unkind person. I don't know how our inner emotions and outer appearance affect each other; how the mechanism is; and how we should formulate it. However, I am certain that there is a connection between physical and spiritual beauty. Above that, I believe our thoughts also affect our physical beauty. Negative thoughts create negative signals and positive thoughts generate positive signals. We transfer those signals to the universe. Our body languages are generated and controlled automatically by our thoughts and feelings. They also send some signals to the world. The sum of these signals forms our physical appearance and attractiveness.

It often happens in our neighborhood we see young lovers who are head over heels in love. However, after marriage they cannot tolerate each other! Why? People often blame poor appearance and say 'appearance can be deceptive'! I believe appearance isn't deceptive, their detectors are defective! Therefore, they cannot detect the signals which are sending by three sources; emotions, feelings, and thoughts. Actually, they make mistake in detecting, analyzing and processing signals.

To sum up, speaking about beauty in human beings is a very complex issue. I believe our physical beauty and spiritual beauty are connected together. They affect each other. By the way, signal detecting and processing are involved in our judge on someone's beauty. Therefore, having right detectors and tuning them correctly is essentially important. For instance, a jealous person will have a wrong detector. S/he cannot detect the right signals. Consequently, most of her/his calculations will be wrong, since it is impossible to detect right things with wrong tools!

All the best,
Behnam, 06, March, 2015

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:57 am

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:37 am

-What's the fuss all about?
- They're talk about paulins. Like, are them ugly or not, kind of.
- I'm beautiful!
- You silly bird! Don't take me wrong, but your feather cut is overdue, beak too short and you're fat, sweetie!
- I'm not fat. And you, you are bony!
- Haha! You make me laugh! I'm elegant!
- Not at all! You're bony and bad-tempered...
- Stop it!!! I'm beautiful!!
- No you don't, no you don't, no you don't, no you WOW!!!Stop beating me!
- Stupid mockingbird, I'll beat this ~ out of you!!!
- Help! Heeeeeelp!! Beautiful bird being killed! Anyway, you're ug...OH MY GOD IT HURTS! That's it! Take this! And this!!!
_ Police! What the police is looking for?? The fat ~ ~ is bullying me! Ooo! Ahhh!

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:10 am

Dear Mohsen,

These days I’m doing house cleaning, along with other responsibilities I’ve already had. However, I considered it completely rude to keep our friends’ posts and yours unanswered. I appreciate you for writing such an informative writing which was enriched with the experiences of your friends properly and interestingly. Your post was also flavored with both comic and serious tips. So I enjoyed and smiled reading it. In my previous post, I was going to share my own idea and the experience of my friend with you to ask the ideas of yours and our friends regarding my question, not criticizing you. I hope the chosen paragraph of my former post addressed to you didn’t seem interfering. Your wife and you are a good match. You don’t need it, but I wish both of you long-lasting love and prosperity.

Hurieh asked:

Some people (mostly highly educated ones) consider themselves open minded when they spoil their kids. I personally disagree with this kind of child breeding. Excessive attention may be devastative. This is my personal idea. I’d like to know other friends’ opinions and yours in this sense.

However, my question is left unanswered. You mostly wrote about the disadvantages of studying for ladies instead. By the way, you are right somehow. We can’t totally count on our level of education and academic certificates as a predictor of prosperity. The fact is our academic educational system is mainly theoretical. We may get some knowledge out of our studying, but they hardly guarantee the achievement of insight and wisdom in students and learners. Wisdom and insight are achievable just by empirically experiencing things, and applying them. Anyway, we can’t generalize an issue to the vast group of people just based on our personal limited experiences and conception.

As you also mentioned, the most important thing in marital life is mutual understanding. If the couples found their true soulmate and came to agreement, they hardly would have serious problems. Because they would be able to manage unwanted disagreements by kindly ignoring, generously sacrificing, or using any other policies or strategies. In such situations they won’t care if their mate is bald, black, ugly, whatnot. These are simple tips that everyone knows very well. But the question is how and under which circumstances this mutual understanding can be feasible?

Talking about human beings and analyzing their behaviors, feelings, tastes, etc , aren’t that easy. Human is a complicated complex. A person may like someone to death, but be neutral toward another one without any specific reason. It’s so easy to talk about love and prosperity, and to give consultation. It means I may seem a good advisor, but it doesn’t guarantee that I’ll be successful in my life. The most important thing is how good I can implement these ideal tips in my daily life. Both man and woman tend to make each other prosperous when they decide to get married, don’t they? But what might have happened to that prosperous couple that decided to forget their beautiful promises and separate after a period of time. I don’t know, and don’t like to know what statics show about the most common reason of divorce among couples. As a matter of fact, I think the statics can’t help in this regard so much.

Regards,
Hurieh
Mar 6th /2015

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:21 am

Dear Andrew,
How are things? How's your pet?

Andrew wrote:

p.s. Hurieh, don't you mind if I send you a PM?

It's OK if you meant public message by PM...winking!!!

Regards,
Hurieh
Mar 6th /2015

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:23 am

Lovely Kamelia,

It’s been a long time you hadn’t shown up, and were greatly missed. I hope your studies are going quite well. You aren’t blamed if you complain about lack of time, concentration, and whatnot. I can truly understand you and your sensitive situation. I wish you have good friends and classmates to help you sometimes. The only close friend I had (and still have) was a lady much older than me. She was so kind, fair-minded, and benevolent. We helped each other in different contexts, especially doing our theses. The rest of the class were competing with me in a childish way, although some of them were much older than me. Anyway, I could finally graduate with excellent mark. Thank God.

Thanks for introducing those books. I love reading books--but not everything goes. I mainly read psychological and English books. Last week, I was walking down a street, and saw a big bookstore. I entered, and as usual, asked the shopkeeper to point me in psychological and English aisles. I took a look at books and bought two books – 1-Understanding and using English Grammar, and 2-Essential words and phrases for writing English articles. The first one (you must be familiar with it) seemed a comprehensive book to me at first, and was highly recommended by an English professor. You may reckon I’m exaggerating, but I was familiar with nearly all of the chapters and contents of this 530 –page book when i got home and reviewed it. I wonder whether I’m good at grammar or the book is written for students with basic needs. However, it’s good to have such a comprehensive reference of English grammar close at hand.
By the way, the second one is really useful for me. I can’t wait to start reading it. I really like to become famous in writing scientific articles. It’ll happen one day, with the grace of Allah. Since there is no one in our college who can keep up with me in English-even among our professors.

I may seem self-egotist if I go further. That’s it for this post.

Regards,
Hurieh
Mar 6th /2015

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:56 pm

Hurieh wrote:Dear Andrew,
How are things? How's your pet?

It's OK if you meant public message by PM...winking!!! [/color][/size][/i][/b]

Regards,
Hurieh
Mar 6th /2015

Hello Hurieh,

1. my pet is getting fat. She sleeps all day through, and once a night, exactly at the moment I fall asleep, she suddenly remember that it's time to eating, jumping, making noise, making pee, making poo etcetera, etcetera. At these moments I become a little less cat-friendly - actually I'm trying to catch her and thrash this ~ out of her, but luckily, she's too dexterous to be caught. She Kot!
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2. No, I meant private message

All the best,
Andrew.

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:29 pm

Hurieh wrote:But the question is how and under which circumstances this mutual understanding can be feasible?

Hi Hurieh,

How are you? I hope you are doing well and enjoying your life. Thank you very much for your valuable posts.

To be honest, I couldn't catch what the discussion topic between you and Mohsen is. I wasn't in the mood for reading previous posts and find it out. Needless to know the exact topic, I'm using the mentioned quotation as an excuse to write something. Well, it is a nasty Friday evening. Nothing could be better than writing to a friend.

Unfortunately, in young generations the divorce rate is very high. We don't need to refer to official statistics to know either it is high or low. We can realise the rise in the divorce rate just by looking at the neighbourhood.

But why? One of the main reasons for divorce can be the lack of mutual understanding between couples. In Farsi we may call it 'تفاهم'. How to have mutual understanding? Is it something achievable, or it is an inherent part of every marriage or even every person? I personally don't know what exactly it is.

However, for a successful marriage we should consider some factors:

1) We must have faith in this statement 'nobody is perfect'! There is no ideal situation, ideal person, ideal husband, ideal wife, etc. in the world. When we change a situation, we change a set of problems with another set of them. When we get a divorce, we change a set of problems with another set of them. This is a fact. A problem-less situation cannot be found in the world.

2) Nothing can guarantee a marriage, unless some positive emotions such as kindness, sincerity, loyalty and patience. I believe being sincere is crucially important. Unfortunately, young generations are insincere. Young boys and girls are two-faced. When someone is two-faced, whatever s/he does is useless! Sincerity gives spirit to our actions. For some reasons, the majority of families are insincere. These families are based on corruption. The boys and girls in the society have not come from Mars or somewhere else. These are the generations of those families.

3) Young generations are lazy. They are not hard-working. Laziness has become as a virtue in the society.

4) Young generations are highly irresponsible.
.....

For having a mutual understanding, it is necessary to have some similarities and focusing on them. Sometimes, a small difference can create a serious problem. For example, in the room, a man may feel hot and decides to open the window. But, his wife may feel cold and likes to shot it! Well, sacrificing may solve this problem. What will happen if they don't tolerate it?

Mutual understanding may come from doing some mutual activities. Believe me, even the time of eating, sleeping, etc. can create conflicts or love! For example, a man may go to the bed early at night, but his wife may sit in front of TV. None of them is doing an illegal action, but this tiny difference may create a very big problem!

Some people are internal, where as some people are external. I don't know the correct psychological equivalents. I mean some people like doing outdoor activities such as travelling, visiting relatives, walking, etc. However, some people like staying at home and being with themselves. This difference among couples may create some serious problems.

Some boys and girls don't get along well with their siblings and families. Why? They haven't leaned to respect their differences? Why? Why did Ghabil kill Habil? When someone fights with his/her parents and siblings, how can s/he he manage a life; living with someone else?

We all have some negative emotions. We are not angels. We have to learn to control our negative emotions. When we receive a proposal from someone to marry, we should consider some important factors such as the value system, the emotions, the likes and dislikes... I am in a hurry. A nice friend of mine is waiting for me to have a chat. Let me put it openly: A hot man(woman) won't have a happy marriage with a rigid woman(man)! This problem has no solution, unless one of them tolerates the situation by sacrificing his/her life.

This can be continued...

All the best,
Behnam, 06 March, 2015

skystar · Post by **skystar** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:29 pm

Hi Behnam,

In psychology, the terms for outgoing and reserved people are respectively extrovert and introvert.

Dear Friends,

Extrovert people are sociable, like parties, have many friends, need to have many people to talk, take the chances, act on the spur of the moment and are generally impulsive people. However, introvert people are quiet, retiring sort of people and introspective. They are fond of books rather than people. They are reserved and distant except for intimate friends. They usually look before they leap. They don't like excitement.
It is said that extrovert people are better language learners than the introverts because of having some advantages over introverts. Extrovert learners are self confident and have the advantage of risk taking. They don't care about the mistakes. They don't care about what other people think of them when they talk either. These people are fluent but not necessarily accurate language learners.
What do you think? Are extroverts learners better language learners than introvert learners? Do you know any introvert person with high language proficiency? Is it possible to change ourselves from an introvert to an extrovert person?

Best,
Sara

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:01 pm

Dear friends,

When posting the previous post I couldn't check it and correct some of the mistakes. After posting I went to chat with a nice friend. After that I found some time to read the post. There are many mistakes in it. I am sorry to write 'shot the window' instead of 'shut the window', 'where as', instead of 'whereas', ....! I am sure you have got the main points.

Dear Sara, thank you very much for writing the equivalents; extrovert and introvert! I am an extrovert person. I guess extrovert people are more successful than introvert ones. I am not sure, I just guess so! When it comes to learning a new language, I can easily and safely say that extrovert people can make better progress than others, because of the fact that learning a language needs self-confidence, communication, involvements, socialization, etc. I guess introvert people can be good writers and philosophers.

Is it possible to change ourselves? Nothing is impossible in this world. It is possible, but it may take a lot of efforts and attempts to change a manner, either it is inherent or not. To be honest, I don't know, but I do know there is at least one solution for every problem. Only death has no solution!

All the best,
Behnam, 06 March, 2015

Kamelia · Post by **Kamelia** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:05 pm

How are you? I miss writing to you so much, but I could not find any proper topic that I could talk about and write something in relation to that to you.

(complex sentence)

I actually read all the posts in this page, and I found your descriptions very lucid and informative (as always). I like reading your posts, since you are so easy to follow; meanwhile, your thread of thought is not circular or confusing, which makes me read them like in a second of time.

The reason I am writing at this hour is that I got a lecture tomorrow. I have been preparing myself for the last five days, yet I am a bit anxious lest I might not be able to answer some questions. Talking about it makes me feel more relaxed. It's like in this was I can get it out of my system LOL.

Just one question though, why do you think extroverts are more successful?

Pray for me please,

Hurieh the knowledgeable confident girl,

How are you? Yeaaah I was absent, and yeaaah I felt bad about it, because when I start something I have to keep up with it, and when I can't, it makes me feel like there is something missing.

About the books, the first book I have taught, but the second one I haven't even heard of.

Actually before I had read your continuing sentences I was thinking of replying to you like this:" MY GOD, are you kidding? Your grammar's perfect, and your knowledge of vocabulary almost surpasses any PhD I have ever met. Meanwhile, your sentences are all well-structured and make perfect sense."

But then I saw that you knew them all, so I decided to omit them LOL

Lovely Hurieh, you are a very powerful lady, and I adore your confidence. In fact, self-esteem (one which is backed-up by knowledge like yours) is what makes some distinct from the others, and you are an out-standing lady. I admire you

Gotta go drink something comforting,

Love,

Kami

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:21 pm

Have you ever been wondering why most of things humans are proud of, such as ability to speak, create ideas, give names to things, scientific approach, etcetera, etcetera, don't make them wiser and their life better? And quite opposite, the more useful innovations they bring to the world, the more troubles they make. We are troublemakers, gentlemen! Those who supposed to be good medics don't care of patients, those who call themselves experts in Psychology turn out not able to improve their own ill-natured personality, inventors create weapons of mass destruction, writers and filmmakers draw the longbow. Every next generation does its best to spoil everything and die soon. That's pathetic!

Okay, let's assume, that I am an extrovert, and my girlfriend/wife/boss/poker opponent is an introvert.
Let's assume that I'm aware of it, and them not.
Now, let's take for granted that I can overplay them because of my awareness.
What a use can I make of this?
I don't know. What I know is that nobody like to be overplayed. Well, my awareness can cost me dearly: my wife will probably kick up a row with me, the girlfriend dump me, the boss fire me and my poker opponent shoot me down for cheating. Russian proverb says: human soul is darkness.

reindeer · Post by **reindeer** » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:30 pm

Cheers! Great great'n' from my kitt'n

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:21 am

Dear, lovely Elham, when I read your post about beauty, I said VOW... Vow . I enjoyed so much. You have written so beautiful. Indeed, your mind is beautiful. Your point of view is beautiful. Your pure and fully loved heart is beautiful. Your sincere feelings are beautiful. I loved your post so much. It gave me alot of positive feelings. You wrote this post by all your heart; I read and felt it by all my heart too.

Thanks for your wonderful post.
sincerely,
Setareh

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:45 am

A person who is introverted may spend more time on Studying instead of going out or taking part in parties and therefore to be a knowledgeable person; but in my humble opinion we could learn better while interacting with people. our knowledge enhance more through socializing. Therefore people who are extroverts learn language or any other skills better than those who are introverts. I personally like to improve my english by communicating with others and participating in group activities. But sometimes I prefer to be alone. So I don't know if I am an introvert or extrovert.

best wishes for both introverts and extroverts.

Setareh

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:02 am

As always I enjoyed reading your posts. "eyes are the windows of soul" what an interesting sentence. So that's why people say eyes never lie. That's why when you are around someone, you feel good; it's because of the positive energy you get from them. Right, that's why I like reading Elham's posts; because it's full of positive spirit.

I like to write more but I have to go and continue cleaning the house.

wish you the best,
Setareh

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:37 pm

behnam wrote:I guess extrovert people are more successful than introvert ones. I am not sure, I just guess so!

Kamelia wrote:Just one question though, why do you think extroverts are more successful?

Dear Kamelia,
It was very nice to see my name in your post. Thank you very much. It is a great honour for me and my name to be typed by your fingers. That's very kind of you.

Dear Kamelia, I knew my thought might be controversial, so I preferred to guess rather than think!

Fortunately, I repeated 'guess' twice. Cross my heart, when writing that sentence I knew it might provoke criticism. Am I allowed to guess about something? Well, our guess about something is based on the information we've got about it. Maybe my information about it is either incomplete or invalid. Anyway, it is just a guess! Please have a mercy on me and don't kill me for guessing....!

All the best,
Behnam, 07 March, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:01 pm

Andrew wrote:What I know is that nobody like to be overplayed. Well, my awareness can cost me dearly: my wife will probably kick up a row with me, the girlfriend dump me, the boss fire me and my poker opponent shoot me down for cheating. Russian proverb says: human soul is darkness.

So philosophical. So impressive. So difficult. Your soul isn't dark dear Andrew. Thank you very much.

All the best,
Behnam, 07 March, 2015

Kamelia · Post by **Kamelia** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:49 pm

How are you? So happy to read your reply, and so soon! Thank you so much, in fact the honor is mine! I have the pleasure of writing beside Ostaaad (don't forget that please)

Oh Behnam, come on!! Now that hurt, I was not going to kill you, was I? I just said why do you "guess" that is? And you know that I have not even criticized you, why would I? I just found no other topic to write to you about, so I pulled that out. I enjoy reading your posts, you know. They are mighty sophisticated and in the meantime so easy to understand

But again, choice is yours. It is ok if you choose not to write about it, no pressure.

Love,

Kami