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Mushaf · Post by **Mushaf** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:28 pm

behnam wrote:Dear friends,

I've decided to write an essay about keeping dog as pet and too much caring for them which is common in big cities in Iran. I'd like to know your opinion about this topic.

All the best,
Behnam, 9 July, 2015

hi Behnam , its really a good topic. I would love to give my general opinion about keeping pets . I think keeping pets is a big responsibility whether they are dogs , cats or any kind of birds. And as time passes by one gets attach to them . Its a big responsibility;you have to take care of their food , protection and their hygiene. I think its better to not keep pets at home as one get attach to them and their death brings sadness to mind and heart

Mushaf · Post by **Mushaf** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:31 pm

hi Hurieh
You have been missed . hope you will be doing fine in this Holy month of Ramdan
how is your preparation for Eid , how you usually celebrate Eid ?
take care

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:22 am

Hi Behnam,

The shepherds had dogs to defend their flock from wolf attack, this was the cheapest way for protecting the herds , many shepherds lost their jobs because there was less benefit to keep a flock of sheep , many lands were dried and provision of grass for winter was very expensive , as the result they had to migrate to the cities , the big cities was a good place for them ,they found many jobs which were not as hard as keeping the herds , the jobs like selling vegetables , furits , also working beside the Valiasr st. to exchange the currency ,footboys in tailor shops became the owner of fashion saloons after years, working as a labor in construction of building, step by step they gained enough experience so they decided to work individually , the labors became contractors , they bought the old houses ,wreck the house and converted it to a new building in several floors ,each floors were separately sold so they gain a lot of benefit, they became rich and rich ,they wore last fashion clothes and dresses ,driving luxury cars ,they had heart relation with their dog since they were shepherds ,and they couldn’t left it ,so the dogs found their place in the new houses and luxury cars ,follow their owners

Have a great day
Mohsen

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:34 am

The 5+1 group have number of nuclear missiles but they worry about Iran which has 0, Now the world feel more peace as they say

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:31 pm

In the past due to circumstances and living in nature people had to deal with animals. They learned how to tame horses , camels and dogs so they could use it in farming, herding floks of animals and carrying their stuff. It seems in order to survive and have an easier life it was necessary for human beings to have a good relation with animals. Sometimes there was a special bond between them and their animals. They have kind of emotional relations that they would be upset if they lost their animals.
Nowadays time has changed we don't have such a need to animals. We even don't have suitable place in order to keep them. I am sure that being in contact with nature and animals could have positive effect on us. Nowadays kids are afraid of even cats. I remember when I was a child there was fear of being mice in the basement so we had cat in our house. My brother fed him and played with him although I didn't like him but I felt no fear of him.
People keep pets for diffrent reasons; some out of loneliness some for being considered as high prestige people just like well_ off people who have pets and sometimes maybe because of mental issues in which doctor realizes that keeping pets might help.
People are diffrent when it comes to animals for instance boys love to have pets more than girls . They also like diffrent kinds of animals.
I strongly disagree with annoying and hurting animals . If someone likes to keep pets ; it's their choice they can have it but I believe that in this world we have so many homeless and poor kids that need to be cared and to be loved, so that would be better to spend our time, our money and our love for a human being instead of an animal.
All the best,
Setareh

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:24 am

Hi dear friends,

Happy Eid ul-Fitr to you and to your family. May God accept your fasting and prayers. I wish you happy moments with your beloved people.

All the best,
Behnam, 19 July, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:46 am

Dear friends,

How are you? I hope you are doing well.

Our dear friends Mushaf, Mohsen, and Setareh have looked at the topic from different angles. Their points are valuable. In particular, I am interested in the last paragraph of dear Setareh's essay. I believe the main point about this topic is beautifully written by her. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our dear friends Mushaf, Mohsen, and Setareh for participating in discussing.

There are many points about animal loving, specially dog loving in my mind. I don't know how to enter to this topic! Should I write about animal rights? If you put a nightingale in a golden cage, hang the cage from a tree in a beautiful garden, and feed it with the best food and drinks, and ask the nightingale for its wishes, it will say; "Freedom! I don't care about a golden cage, food or drinks. I love to be free!" As a general rule, wildlife loves living in natural environment. Some animals, birds in particular, become tame easily. They change and easily get used to a new situation. Some animals such as chickens, cows, etc. must be kept and controlled by human. They cannot defend themselves against the enemies they've got in the wild. Some animals are used on farming. It seems, there is an unwritten agreement between human beings and some farming animals. Although modern farming methods are based on machines, human beings still keep some animals for producing meat and other foods.

It should be noticed that we are not speaking about these exceptions. Actually, we are speaking about keeping some animals for fun.

Suppose keeping wildlife at home is not against animal rights. Suppose the animals themselves agree with being caged and kept in prison. I am not going to focus on this angle of the subject, although this angle is big enough to write books about it! Instead, I am interested in looking the subject from a different angle. Why do people keep pets and why mostly dogs are chosen?

In our society, dogs are chosen because westerners have chosen dogs! For more than hundreds of years, for easterners in the middle East particularly, west has been the symbol of life. For many young generations west has been(still is) the heaven on the world. Even farmers in the East look at the west to see if some clouds are coming from the west or not. Clouds come from the west. Therefore, rains and snows come from the west too. Therefore, looking at the west as the center of hope and prosperity is a habit among the majority of easterners. This is a fact. Denying a fact cannot delete it from the world! To put it briefly, for many people the west is symbol of civilization, culture, improvement, etc. They highlight the advantages of the west, but ignore its disadvantages. In their beliefs, west equals improvement, success, heaven, modernity, and all those valuable things an individual may wish! They think, following the westerners make them important! This is an illness. I am not going to speak about this big illness.

The majority of those followers are rich. Why? Well, being rich is the first step of belonging to the west. In other words, being rich or belonging to rich families is a must for following the west, because they believe only rich people understand the value and importance of the west. They believe, only rich people have the right to think like westerners. This is an illness. Amazingly, and strangely, these blind followers are the most stupid people in the world. I personally have met with many of them at universities. They are nothing, but they think they are something! You may think I am feeling jealous of them! No, never! How can I feel jealous of some people who aren't as successful as I am in different areas of life. You think I belong to a poor family, so I am obsessed about money and richness? You are absolutely wrong!

It is Okay, and a sign of wisdom, to follow the positive sides of a culture. However, Stupid west followers are mentally ill. They don't follow the west to get their advantages and apply them in their lives. They are actually mentally ill. Books can be written about this illness, not by me, by experts.

In the north of Tehran, young ugly boys and girls(I don't know why, but strangely the majority of girls in rich families are ugly. The majority of boys are gay. I don't know why!) walk with dogs or hug dogs. They are trying to induce that they are different. They are not aware of the fact that without dogs they are also different from others, because their parents are somehow involved in stealing, corruption, or other illegal activities! Stop a girl or a boy and ask: How much do you spend on this pet monthly? You will hear mind-bowling numbers, such as 500$, 700$, 1000$! One of them may answer: You know, Mimi(her dog's name) is allergic to Iranian food. I have to buy food from a particular pet-food company in the USA, so I have to monthly pay at least 2000$ for its food!

If you ask: Don't you think this amount of money mustn't be wasted on pets? S/he may angrily reply: This is my money, and I do have the right to decide how I am spending it. It is none of your business!

If you add: How have you obtained this amount of money? S/he may shockingly reply: It is none of your business, but my parents pay for my expenses! If you dig more, without any exception, yes I bravely say without any exception, you will find out that their parents are involved in illegal activities. However, nobody can dig more. In the middle of digging, the digger will be either killed or arrested by the police!

.... Will be continued!

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:47 am

.....
Loving animals is a virtue, but it is not possible to rob people's pockets and to love animals!

Loving animals is valuable; it can be a sign of health in terms of mentality, but it is not possible to be involved in drug smuggling and to play the role of healthy minded people!

Loving animals can be a sign of improvement in terms of moralities and life standards or values, but it is impossible to take bribes for an operation in a hospital and to have moralities!

Loving animals is acceptable provided that animals lovers must first care about other people's civil or human rights!

If there are some poor people in a society, spending money on dogs is pointless. It is against civil and human rights. This is not justifiable.

Loving dogs cannot be replaced by loving people. Loving animals and hating people are mutually exclusive!

Following the actions and reactions of some so called important people(big-headed people) cannot make the followers important(A careful attention must be paid that the criteria for being important differ from culture to culture. In the west, whoever can obtain a large amount of money is important)!

All the best,
Behnam, 19 July, 2015

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:52 pm

On this joyous occasion of EID, May God open for you the door of new opportunities and lead onto the path of happiness & success.

Fitr means to break fast or to refrain from fasting. Hence the Eid after the fasts of Ramadan is called Eid Fitr, as it is the day of rejoicing after the completion of fasting. On this occasion of happiness, as a sign of gratitude one has to give a specific amount in aims, which is called Fitrieh or Zakat. To purify and obtain complete blessings for the fasts of Ramadan one has to give Fitrieh. Thus it is obligatory to give Fitrieh to purify one's fast.

The true object in giving Fitrieh on this happy, occasion is also to assist the poor and needy, so that, they may rejoice with the more fortunate.
The amount of Fitrieh for one person is 3 kilograms wheat or rice or equal price , it depends on which one is your every day main dish. It is better to give this money to a poor people in your family at first , if there is no poor people in the family ,you should search to find a poor in your living district, and if you don’t find any poor there ,you can give the Fetrieh to a charity organization .

The Eid al-Fitr congregational prayers was held in all cities in Iran

Mushaf · Post by **Mushaf** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:33 pm

behnam wrote:Hi dear friends,

Happy Eid ul-Fitr to you and to your family. May God accept your fasting and prayers. I wish you happy moments with your beloved people.

All the best,
Behnam, 19 July, 2015

Hi Behnam

Happy Eid-ul-Fitr to you and your Family. May you have all the happy moments with your friends , family and relatives .
Take care

Mushaf · Post by **Mushaf** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:36 pm

hi Hurieh
Happy Eid to you and your Family
I hope you will be doing great . have not seen you for a while , hope everything will be fine with u
God bless u

emdadcse · Post by **emdadcse** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:01 am

Hi dear all friends,

I wish you all Happy Eid Mubarak.
I am Emdad Hossain from Bangladesh. Thanks God I have found this site and you to discuss and learning English.

Thanks
Emdad

Panwar · Post by **Panwar** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:04 am

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Thanks
Lalit

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:00 am

My dearest friends, Behnam, Mohsen, Mushaf, Setareh, …
Hi,

How are you doing? It’s a bit late to say happy Eid-ul-Fitr, isn’t it?
But let’s think of its blessing as a continuum integrating with our daily life, and keep its effects on our soul alive in every moment of our lives. I don’t like to seem like preachers but I found this Ramadan a little different from the last years before. As a person who is looking for change all the time, it can be something good for me.

It’s about three weeks that I’ve been away from you and I’ve missed writing to you separately too much. Now that I’m here, I have the feeling of a person who has been away from her home too long and reached there at once. So I suppose I’ve lain down on a comfortable sofa breathing a sigh of relief and mumbling these words: “Home is the best!” …smiling…Anyway, I really enjoyed reading your posts regarding last topics provided with dear Behnam. Many informative tips were professionally embedded in your posts that make them interesting to read deeply. They are like apertures to deep layers of your thoughts, and I’m like a curious adventurer standing on my toes and taking a deep close look inside. LOL.

Anyway, reading your posts and thinking about them broaden my view regarding issues and open new doors to me in order to look at things from different angels. I ask dear Behnam to keep up brainstorming us with his great topics.

Dear Behnam, you asked me a question and I couldn’t make you satisfied with my answer. Further clarification is needed to know what you exactly mean by احساس خفه شدن. As a person who is involved in medical science, I would say: “I feel asphyxia (only provided that my problem is so serious that I have the feeling of near death due to the insufficient O2 available in the air.)” In minor cases in which my problem is only shortness of breathing I would say: “I feel dyspnea.”
Meanwhile, I don’t know what native speakers say in their colloquy speaking. Please let me know if my answer doesn’t seem convincing yet.

Dear Mohsen, thank you very much for your detailed explanations about Ramadan. I enjoyed reading your post. Did you see any change in yourself at the end of this month? So, let us know how much extra weight you have put after fasting for a month? Heheheee…. I’m kidding.
The thing that makes me so worried about Ramadan is the changes in my body weight after fasting. It may seem silly. But I lose weight easily. So, I always weigh myself in the beginning of the holy month of Ramadan and compare it with my weight in the last day of the month. I lost 2 kilos and a half in this Ramadan. You may say that it’s not a big number but it is. The thing is that the easier I lose weight, the more difficult I gain weight. So it’ll last several months until I can gain my former weight.
Dear Mohsen, besides fasting, you’d actively taken part in humanitarian activities that is really valuable. God bless you.

Dear Mushaf and Setareh, how are you doing? I hope everything is going pretty well with you.
Dear Mushaf, it’s really nice to be remembered in your posts. I really like to get to know you more but sounds like you tend to be introvert. We just know your gender and your country. What about the rest? Winking. Right now, you are the only foreigner among us and can teach us many new things about your culture, customs, beliefs, whatnot. Anyway, hope to read more from you.
Dear Setareh, reading your posts and blogs is really enjoyable for me. They are informative too full of valuable tips and wisdom. You are a good writer. I personally like your words too much. It’s a pleasure to be an audience of yours. Please let us tag along with you and your great thoughts by writing more for us.

Best regards,
Hurieh
Jul 23rd/ 2015

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Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:11 pm

Hi Hurieh ,

Thank you for your valuable post , you wrote your sentence eloquently and used beautiful words to arrange the sentences, I enjoyed reading it. Yes, Ramadan has changed my life as always , it was like a nutritious food for body ,it effected on my soul, I should be content with my function ,if a person is content with his function ,he feel peace in his life , of course there is large room for more and more activities ,but I am content with the less. It is God who is the hope for hopeless ,but sometime God opens a door for me to give hope to some needy people.

Well about losing weight I am ashamed to say that I gained weight during Ramadan, drinking so much water , and fruits , melons , my metabolism is different , if I drink one bottle of water ,my body perspire as much as two bottles ,and during eating ,and after eating when my body is converting the food to energy ,I perspire too much , so I feel thirsty again and drink another bottle of water , in this process what will be happen , the radius of arc is going longer , I mean the arc of my stomach ,nothing I can do ,this is my kismet , the arc is not too big that one can see from outside my shirt.

Last Friday , I went out of city with my wife accompanied with my brother and his family , we went 50 Kms on the road to reach a mountain ,it was 6.30 AM and we started to go up the mountain (My brother and me ) it was still a long way to reach the top of mountain that I felt I couldn’t continue , I hadn’t had any exercise for two months ,during Ramadan ,there wasn’t any exercise and after Ramadan I was lazy to start my routine three times morning exercise , so we came back down and prepare to eat breakfast , I called my friend Reza and asked him to join us and he accepted , we were eating a melon ( My favorite fruit) until Reza and his wife joined us and we were there for 2 hours discussing many things such as 5+1 talks.

I tell you the story of eating Kidney, Yesterday I went to small town of Tiran , Tiran is about 1 hour from Esfahan , and the direction of road is Esfahan ,Najafabad, Tiran. I had an appointment there , there is an area beside the Tiran , it is called Rezvanshar , Rezvanshar is a special place ,there are 100 stone factories there ,I made an appointment in one of factories , there is a long story ,at the moment I was there all of factories were off , they were on the strike , because they didn’t want to pay tax to government , in Iran people are not used to pay tax , there is no a good tax payment system ,and government always make its budget by selling oil. Let it alone .. Finally I found that man outside of his factory and I finished my job there .
On the way back to home in Najafabad I decided to buy meat of camel, there are a lot of butcheries in Najafabad which sell meat of camel, I don’t know why !! but whenever I go to Najafabad I buy the meat of camel. In the butchery ,I ordered for two Kms of meat , the butcher spoke about nutritional properties of camel meat , I looked at the windows of his refrigerator and saw a very big kidney , whose kidney is this? , the butcher said it is belong to camel , again he started to tell me about nutritional properties of camel kidney , finally he enticed me to buy the kidney , it was about 1.5 kms and I pay 37000 Toman for it , I had never eaten the kidney , at noon I was at home and told my wife to prepare it for lunch , she was surprised to see such a big kidney , and told me how much I was mindless to buy the big kidney ,
so I had to cut it myself , I told her that I paid money for it and I had to eat it , at least four people can eat this kidney , I roasted it on the skewer for two days and eat all of them , my wife help me a little bit in eating , I don’t know what will happen for me , if I didn’t come back to this thread ,you know that Kidney has killed Mohsen

All the best
Mohsen

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:27 am

Mohsen wrote:at noon I was at home and told my wife to prepare it for lunch , she was surprised to see such a big kidney , and told me how much I was mindless to buy the big kidney ,
so I had to cut it myself , I told her that I paid money for it and I had to eat it

Hi Mohsen,

How are you? I hope you are doing well. Thank you very much for posting a nice post full of sweet things, especially a very good story. Your story made me smile. Thank you very much.

In Najafabad, instead of buying Camel kidney, you were supposed to buy Elham's heart!

How was Najafabad? I'd like you to describe the place our Elham is living.

Your last post revealed your true personality. I've put a part of your post above. It yells Mohsen is a hen-pecked husband.

All the best,
Behnam, 31 July, 2015

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:49 am

Hi Behnam,

At present I have stomachache, although I ate the kidney with Pomegranate sauce and several fresh lemons juice squeezed it on , but I think the Kidney of camel ,like its meat , never be cooked well. I sweat more than ever because of stomachache , I don’t know I am cold tempered or hot tempered now ,( سردیم شده یا گرمیم شده) but my wife prepared a big glass of cold water mixing with London rocket-seed and sugar , now I am not afraid to say that I am a hen pecked male.

Well as a hen pecked male if I achieve the Elham heart what will be happen for me between two women, an Esfahni said I live my life very good with two wives ,and all the nights I sleep between my two wives easily , one of the women is in Tehran , the second one is in Esfahan , and I always sleep in Gom.

Well , about Najafabad … I always pass through Najafabad ,when I want to go Zayandeh rood river dam ,or going to other cities like Tiran , Daran, Khansar, Golpayegan , Aligodarz in Khoramabad state..and many places, on the way I always buy camel meat and dried bread,the city is full of motorcycle , There are many industries there , from weaving carpets to bus manufacturing companies , people have witty nature ,but they are very serious in every job ,generally I am positive toward Najafabad.
Well let me quaff the last gulp of London rocket-seed mixture as I am waiting for melons

have a great friday
Mohsen

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:41 am

My dearest friends,

What’s the occasion today?!? That is obviously the most important reason that has kept me be with you guys for about a year. I took this occasion as a perfect opportunity to happily and proudly say: “Happy Friendship Day.”
Thanks for your valuable friendship guys. I’m truly proud of each of you and your friendship. That’s all.

Sincere best wishes,
Hurieh
Aug 2nd/ 2015

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:27 pm

behnam wrote:Hi dear Mohsen,

Happy Ramadan my dear friend. How are you? I hope you are doing well.

Dear Mohsen, so many thanks for putting some photos of Iranian women in the thread, but it is not satisfying. A woman is not a woman unless she puts some of her curves on display! Every woman has got some beauties. Those beauties are designed by God for men's eyes. What is the point in hiding them? Western ladies are generous to men. They show some of those beauties and feed our eyes generously, whereas the ladies in your photos sound mean, you know, ungenerous. Why are they hiding their bla bla things? I am totally dissatisfied with your photos! LOOOL
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All the best,
Behnam, 21 June, 2015

Hi Behnam

I had problem with my acct I have to make a new one. I couldn't ck the post because I was busy.

Here my answer to you post. YOU ARE A SARCARTIC MAN. How many faces do you have?

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:33 pm

It is not satisfying dear Mohsen!

Postby behnam » Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:53 am

Hi dear Mohsen,

Happy Ramadan my dear friend. How are you? I hope you are doing well.

Dear Mohsen, so many thanks for putting some photos of Iranian women in the thread, but it is not satisfying. A woman is not a woman unless she puts some of her curves on display! Every woman has got some beauties. Those beauties are designed by God for men's eyes. What is the point in hiding them? Western ladies are generous to men. They show some of those beauties and feed our eyes generously, whereas the ladies in your photos sound mean, you know, ungenerous. Why are they hiding their bla bla things? I am totally dissatisfied with your photos! LOOOL
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All the best,
Behnam, 21 June, 2015

HI BEHNAM

I HAD PROBLEM WITH MY OLD PASSWORD AND USER.
I WAS BUSY
BUT HERE IS MY ANSWER TO YOU COMMENT.
YOU ARE A SARCARTIC MAN. HOW MANY FACES DO YOU HAVE?

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:52 pm

Mohsen wrote:
Divina wrote:Hi

I KWEN THIS ALREADY. YOU THOUGHT THAT I DIDNT KWON.

THAT WHY I SAID: STILL A LONG ROAD TO WALK. THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT TRYING TO GET THERE ARE MORE WOMEN IN OTHERS COUNTRIES DOING THE SAME. I SAID I AM READING. THIS IS NOT KNEW FOR ME MAYBE IT KNEW FOR YOU. WHAT I WROTE IS BECAUSE I KNEW THAT NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO WATCH MEN SPORT AND GO TO A CONCERT.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. I DONT SEE NOTHING WRONG TO WATCH MEN SPORT. ALSO THEY ARE A LOT OF WOMEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS TO GO TO COLLEGE, DRIVE A CAR, AND A LOT MORE THINGS. I DONT KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE DREAMS COME TRUE, BUT I AM SURE THEY WILL GET THEM. IT WONT BE EASY FOR ANY WOMEN IN THOSE COUNTRIES TO GET ALL THOSE RIGHTS BUT THEY WILL GET THEM WITH THE HELP OF THOSE MALE DREAMERS THAN HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THEM.

HAVE A NICE DAY

Hi
The culture is different in each society , In Iran women have special respect more then what you think , for example you started to talk and some sexual body membranes related to man and woman in this thread , but none of women in this thread took part in your discussion, they have freedom here, but you don’t understand why they didn’t say anything, this is outstanding position that women have in Iran.

Usually in stadiums there is a special atmosphere, many people use bad words, some people even didn’t take their children to stadiums , this common in all world , but in Iran women have special respect ,so women are not allowed to watch man sport in the stadium, there are some west oriented girls in Iran , they make themselves like western pattern women, they smoke cigarette in public place, they use bad words in public , they don’t fear to lose their respect , but fortunately they are a few .

Also another thing that you don’t understand, You think that what you have in your society is the rights,and other countries should follow your social behavior as a pattern, for example drinking alcohol, dancing woman with man, having sex before marriage, going to water women and men together in seaside and swimming pool, … and women going out nuke and so on and we should follow it step by step. as you said a long road to walk to reach your goal, in your idea you see nothing wrong for having all of above pointed rights, I am sure.
But this road goes ahead to fall of human, we don’t want to follow your road

Islamic rules is very different with your rights in west, we believe in Islamic rules and it is beyond of all of rights in the world

In Iran people don’t believe in what is rights in your society , as I said before what you consider as the rights for men and women in your society leads to the situation which you have now a days, I don’t want to explain about the situation of family and freedom of have sex … , and how many students and blacks should be killed because of the wrong freedom in your society.

Surly it is needed a reform in west, and women should find their real values, what is the use of woman ?, they are using their body and face to have value in your society, in each advertisement you use women , and in your websites ( yahoo) always there is a semi nuke women , don’t you have anything for women to show in the first page of Yahoo? In your TV channel women should show a part of their body to have value. what is the END OF THIS ROAD YOU ARE WALKING???

You have walked in a wrong road ,and you should come back, don’t be worry for Iran, let Iranian women be alone, not ruin their personality.
If we have social problems in our society, it is belong to those people who have west oriented thought.

That is like the other fields , USA worries about nuclear program of Iran ,while we should ask UN to send Iranian inspector to check the nuclear program of USA and their military factories , because USA once used the nuclear bomb in Japan and this unreliable government should be controlled, but it is funny that they want to control Iran nuclear facilities ,or close it , because they foresee that in next 10 years Iran may produce nuclear bomb, I don’t want explain about Israel nuclear program, as if it is a joke to speak about human and human rights in other countries when we this cancer gland in the world.

As Hamed Zamani ( Iranian singer)song a sing for Israel , he song from Israel’s mouth.
Israel attacked to Gaze while the world was watching the football world cup, so Israel say

You said: we believe in Islamic rules and it is beyond of all of rights in the world
and other stuff that for me I don't care.

The trust is: if MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREAT SO WELL WHY THEY ARE PROSTESTING ASKING FOR SAME RIGHTS?

I ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT RIGHTS NOT CLOTHES. DO YOU KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHTS AND CLOTHING? I NEVER TALK ABOUT CLOTHES. GO TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND TELL ME IF YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING ABOUT CLOTHING, SMOKE, DRINK OR ALL WORDS THAT YOU PUT IN MY MOUTH.

HAVE A NICE NICE DAY

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:57 pm

Mohsen wrote:
behnam wrote:Hi dear Mohsen,

Happy Ramadan my dear friend. How are you? I hope you are doing well.

Dear Mohsen, so many thanks for putting some photos of Iranian women in the thread, but it is not satisfying. A woman is not a woman unless she puts some of her curves on display! Every woman has got some beauties. Those beauties are designed by God for men's eyes. What is the point in hiding them? Western ladies are generous to men. They show some of those beauties and feed our eyes generously, whereas the ladies in your photos sound mean, you know, ungenerous. Why are they hiding their bla bla things? I am totally dissatisfied with your photos! LOOOL
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All the best,
Behnam, 21 June, 2015
Dear Friend,

many international organizations who are worry for women's rights in Iran ,try to open the women eyes in Iran , they want to show the correct road to women ,and first step of this road make them generous

have a nice day
Mohsen

I DIDNT KNOW BEHNAM YOU DIDNT KNOW WHAT IS HUMAN RIGHTS? WOW, YOU COMMENT SAY YOU ARE A SARCARTIC PERSON WITH SO MANY FACES.

PLEASE DONT CONTACT ME AGAIN.
DIVINA

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:33 pm

HI Mohsen

You said
Usually in stadiums there is a special atmosphere, many people use bad words, some people even didn’t take their children to stadiums , this common in all world , but in Iran women have special respect ,so women are not allowed to watch man sport in the stadium.

My answer: Really? Interesting I didn’t know you Muslim men say bad words in publics places like your stadiums. Then you Muslim men have to changed their behavior of from of those nice Muslim ladies then they will be able to enjoy those events too with their husband and parents.

You said:
Also another thing that you don’t understand, You think that what you have in your society is the rights, and other countries should follow your social behavior as a pattern, for example drinking alcohol, dancing woman with man, having sex before marriage, going to water women and men together in seaside and swimming pool, … and women going out nuke and so on and we should follow it step by step. as you said a long road to walk to reach your goal, in your idea you see nothing wrong for having all of above pointed rights, I am sure. But this road goes ahead to fall of human, we don’t want to follow your road

MY answer:
Could you go back to my writings and tell me when I wrote that your countries has to do what other countries are doings. My writings were about women rights. One example that came now to my mind. Its right get hired for any job and get the same pay that men. I was reading it is very hard for them to get hired in a men job and also get the same salary. Hey I am talking about all Muslim Country. I think Iran is not the only Muslim country in the whole world.

You said:
Islamic rules is very different with your rights in west, we believe in Islamic rules and it is beyond of all of rights in the world

My answer:
Really? Then if your Islamic rule are beyond of all of rights in the world. Hey I think that is only your personal opinion, because is Islamic rule are beyond of all of right in the world. Could you explain to me WHY Muslim women are requesting rights? some basic rights. I won't write them here because I am sure you know them.

You said:
In Iran people don’t believe in what is rights in your society, as I said before what you consider as the rights for men and women in your society leads to the situation which you have now a days, I don’t want to explain about the situation of family and freedom of have sex … , and how many students and blacks should be killed because of the wrong freedom in your society.

MY answer:
You are putting word in my mouth again. Could you go back to my writing and tell me which one say about your countries has to do what other countries are doing. If you go to human rights. They don’t talk about human behaviors. All your comments show that you are not well informed about human rights and you are mixing a lot of things that are different.

You said:
In Iran people don’t believe in what is rights in your society , as I said before what you consider as the rights for men and women in your society leads to the situation which you have now a days, I don’t want to explain about the situation of family and freedom of have sex … , and how many students and blacks should be killed because of the wrong freedom in your society.

My answer:
Again you are talking about human behavior. Please go to human rights and read them.

You said:
Surly it is needed a reform in west, and women should find their real values, what is the use of woman ?, they are using their body and face to have value in your society, in each advertisement you use women

My answer: Women using their body to have value in your society? You are wrong. There are a lot of women around the world that are engineers, doctors, lawyers, architect etc and some of them receive the same salary that men. They don’t use their face or body. Where do you get your information for?

You said:
and in your websites ( yahoo) always there is a semi nuke women , don’t you have anything for women to show in the first page of Yahoo? In your TV channel women should show a part of their body to have value. what is the END OF THIS ROAD YOU ARE WALKING???

MY answer: I would like to know what are you doing with your divine eyes looking nude women online? Interesting I don’t have Yahoo acct but I can see you have one.

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:34 pm

You said:
You have walked in a wrong road, and you should come back, don’t be worry for Iran, let Iranian women be alone, not ruin their personality.
If we have social problems in our society, it is belong to those people who have west oriented thought.

My answer: You are mixing things that are not in human rights. Please read them then we can talk. Let say it again you are still putting world in my mouth.

You said:
That is like the other fields , USA worries about nuclear program of Iran ,while we should ask UN to send Iranian inspector to check the nuclear program of USA and their military factories, because USA once used the nuclear bomb in Japan and this unreliable government should be controlled, but it is funny that they want to control Iran nuclear facilities ,or close it , because they foresee that in next 10 years Iran may produce nuclear bomb, I don’t want explain about Israel nuclear program, as if it is a joke to speak about human and human rights in other countries when we this cancer gland in the world.

My answer: I rest my case you are mixing a lot of stuff that they are not inside human rights.

The trust is: if MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREAT SO WELL WHY THEY ARE PROSTESTING ASKING FOR RIGHTS?

I ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT RIGHTS NOT CLOTHES. DO YOU KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHTS AND CLOTHING? I NEVER TALK ABOUT CLOTHES. GO TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND TELL ME IF YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING ABOUT CLOTHING, SMOKE, DRINK OR ALL WORDS THAT YOU PUT IN MY MOUTH.

HAVE A NICE NICE DAY

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:32 am

Divinna say
The trust is: if MUSLIM WOMEN ARE TREAT SO WELL WHY THEY ARE PROSTESTING ASKING FOR RIGHTS

Hi Divinna
be careful of you ID ,not to lose it again
In Iran ,I never seen or heard the Muslim women protest and ask for their rights , Muslim women in Iran proud of their country and living here .
If you mean Muslim women who live in Saudi Arabia , who prevent the women to drive a car , yes I agree ,but the Saudi Government is not Muslim , you should consider this fact that Saudi government is allayed with Israel , Don’t you see who many people are killed every day in Yaman by Saudi Government , and where is the Human rights who don’t see 15000 civilian people ( many children) were killed during 120 days attack of Saudi to Yaman.
You say : The Human right don’t speak about Killing of innocent people who are killing in Yaman

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:36 am

Family members of Osama Bin Laden were killed in a private jet crash in Hampshire on last Friday

Many questions raised over why a terrorist leader ‘s family are free to travel in Europe , why the possession of Osameh ‘family was not block in European bank
Did their life time had been expired and they should be killed

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:48 am

Family photos lie in the debris of the house in which 18-month-old Ali Dawabsha was burned to death in an attack by suspected Zionist settlers, Duma, occupied West Bank, 31 July.

It is hard to imagine a more hypocritical display than the crocodile tears of the same leaders who perpetrated the massacre of 2,200 Palestinians in Gaza last year, more than 500 of them children, now feigning outrage at the murder of one more.

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:30 am

Dear Hurieh , happy your friendship's day.

I must say that I am so proud of being your friend. Indeed you are like a pearl for this thread. We take so much proud of having you in this thread. Your beautiful posts always cheer us up. I personally learn so many nice points from your posts. I am so grateful to your compliment about me and my writings. It means a lot to me. We are always looking forward to reading your posts.
best wishes,
Setareh

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Hi

You said: In Iran, I never seen or heard the Muslim women protest and ask for their rights, Muslim women in Iran proud of their country and living here .

My answer:
Women in Iran march against discrimination
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/ ... sts.women/
https://news.vice.com/article/iranian-w ... ory-hijabs
http://www.boredpanda.com/mandatory-hij ... y-freedom/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... s-alinejad

You said:
If you mean Muslim women who live in Saudi Arabia, who prevent the women to drive a car, yes I agree,but the Saudi Government is not Muslim, you should consider this fact that Saudi government is allayed with Israel, Don’t you see who many people are killed every day in Yaman by Saudi Government , and where is the Human rights who don’t see 15000 civilian people ( many children) were killed during 120 days attack of Saudi to Yaman.

My answer: Yes, I am talking about all Muslim women in the world.

You said:
You say : The Human right don’t speak about Killing of innocent people who are killing in Yaman.

My answer:
There is not reason to no one takes other person life, but because you brought one side of the story you opened the door for me to bring the other part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks

Have a nice day

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:31 pm

Mohsen wrote:

Family members of Osama Bin Laden were killed in a private jet crash in Hampshire on last Friday

Many questions raised over why a terrorist leader ‘s family are free to travel in Europe , why the possession of Osameh ‘family was not block in European bank
Did their life time had been expired and they should be killed

Hi

Let bring the other side, because is always two sides. No one is perfect in this rotten world. Don't spit into the wind...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks

Have a nice day

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:45 pm

Hi

This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks

Terror attacks by Islamist extremists to further a perceived Islamic religious or political cause have occurred globally. The attackers have used such tactics as arson, vehicle rampage attacks, bomb threats, suicide attacks, bombings, spree shooting, stabbings, hijackings, kidnappings and beheadings. The following is a list of Islamist terrorist attacks that have received significant press coverage since 1980.

1980s[edit]
LebanonUnited States April 18, 1983 – The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, in Beirut, Lebanon by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 63 dead, 120 injured.[1]
LebanonUnited StatesFrance October 23, 1983 – The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 307 dead 75 injured.
Kuwait December 12, 1983 – 1983 Kuwait bombings. The 90-minute coordinated attack of six key foreign and Kuwaiti installations including two embassies, the airport, and the country's main petro-chemical plant, was more notable for the damage it might have caused than what was actually destroyed. What might have been "the worst terrorist episode of the twentieth century in the Middle East," succeeding in killing only 6 people because of the bombs' faulty rigging.[2]
LebanonUnited States September 20, 1984 – The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 24 dead.
Spain April 12, 1985 – 1985 El Descanso bombing. 18 dead 82 injured.
Israel July 7, 1989 – Tel Aviv Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack, near Kiryat Yearim. 16 dead.[3]
ArgentinaIsrael March 17, 1992 – The 1992 attack on Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires. 29 killed 242 injured.
United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 – Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Israel April 6, 1994 – Afula Bus suicide bombing killing 8 wounding 55.
Israel April 13, 1994 – Hadera bus station suicide bombing. killing 5 wounding 30.
Israel October 19, 1994 – The Dizengoff Street bus bombing was a Hamas suicide attack on a passenger bus driving down Dizengoff Street in Tel Aviv. 22 killed 50

The list is too long but I think you can go to the link are read it.

Have a very, very nice day

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Hi

I let say this: Those topic or the information that you are bringing here are not inside human rights. Then both of you, don't talk to me if you are not talking about human rights.

Have a nice day both of you.

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:35 am

The other day I was passing a street I saw a placard, a sentence was written on it. It said “the more kids, the merrier”. I got shocked

and I remembered all the advertisement about “less kids and better life”. It reminded me of a book called “animal farm”. In this book, animals after revolution and their victory over humans come up with a motto. It says “four legs are good, two legs are bad”. But after a few years and going through some changes their motto was changed into” four legs are good, two legs are better”.
setareh

setareh · Post by **setareh** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:38 am

In my opinion if we want to have a good and useful debate over an issue we should start from some points that we both agree. We should focus on our similarities, and then we can talk about our differences as well. If we try to prove who is right and who is wrong, we are not going to get anywhere. I read in a book that the best way to discuss is to avoid it. If I think whatever I believe is right and try to convince the other person to accept my idea, on the other hand if the other person thinks the same way; do you think that we can get anywhere? I don’t think so. The worst part is when we disrespect the other person beliefs, so the result would be nothing but offending and insulting.
Every country and every culture has its own good and bad parts. If someone claims that their culture and beliefs are the best one, they already chose to be narrow-minded and even if they want they can not see the good parts of other cultures. It is easy to offend each other and to have no relationship with others, but we would gain more if we try to respect others perspectives and to build a relationship.
We are created to be different, but it doesn’t mean that one person or one group is superior. We must respect each culture even if it is against our culture. The only way to avoid fighting and offending each other is to respect and understand each other.
Dear Mohsen, dear divinna ; none of you are going to accept the other one’s point of view , so what’s the point of arguing ? It’s better to write about some other issues. The world is already filled with war and hatred. Please don’t make this thread a battle field.

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:40 am

Dear Mohsen,

I hope you are quite fine and your digestive system is quite done with digesting that camel kidney by the time you are reading my post. Your post reminded me of this poem:

کلوا و اشربوا را بناگوش کرد / و لا تسرفوا را فراموش کرد ....هههههههه

Regardless of your complaints about your stomachache, your post made me laugh to burst. I really enjoyed reading it. Your detailed descriptions and the well-chosen animations you had skillfully added to your post put me in the picture, and I felt as if I was watching a ROM-Com movie on a 3D TV —full of humor and love-- rather than reading a post. heheheheeee… Although I’m not a big fan of these type of movies, but I liked your story too much. I guess I could vividly imagine the faces of yours and your wife’s and also your paradoxical looks when both of you were looking at that strange stuff and each other… BIG LOL… Believe it or not, you are a great humorist. Why don’t you compile a comedy book? It must be a best seller. Think of it.

Regarding your raising weight, let me teach you something that helps you know somehow how far you are standing from the ideal weight. Well. BMI (Body Mass Index) is a scale that can be calculated by this formula:

BMI: weight (kg) / height in meters squared (m2)

There are some ranges below that let you know to which category you belong:

Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater

Let me guess. OK??? You are probably .

Mohsen wrote:

Yes, Ramadan has changed my life as always , it was like a nutritious food for body ,it effected on my soul, I should be content with my function ,if a person is content with his function ,he feel peace in his life

It’s great to know you have such feeling after the holy month of Ramadan. There is nothing more valuable and precious than peace of mind in life. I hope this feeling won’t fade away, and you can successfully keep it alive throughout your life.

Finally, I’d like to share a nice picture with you. You may say that every animal has its own beauty, but I believe camels have ugly faces. However, this one is not that ugly. I hope you’ll like it.

Regards,
Hurieh
Aug 6th/ 2015

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:56 am

Hi Divinna,

During your absent time you were searching and studying through internet and it is clear that you are ready for discuss, well.
Who write the Wikipedia and you want to bring your reasons from it.I don’t say that the Wikipedia always tell lie , but you should look at it with wide perspective , You should think who has create those terrorist groups. Who has created ISIS , You should think that if the USA government hadnot any role in 11 September, why there is no Jewish people in the building, who was there to take film when the plane is flying over the building !!!?

My answer:
Women in Iran march against discrimination
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/ ... sts.women/
https://news.vice.com/article/iranian-w ... ory-hijabs
http://www.boredpanda.com/mandatory-hij ... y-freedom/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... s-alinejad

As I told you ,you know a little about Muslims and Iran situation, You are speaking about Muslim women , if a person protest against Hejab, she is not Muslim, Hejab is a principle Islamic rule and it protects women not to misused like what women are used in USA and Europe.

Making a mountain out of a molehill, you heard this idiom, this is what CNN ,BBC always do.
you are speaking about Muslim women,there are a few people who protest against Hejab , but you shouldn’t consider them as Muslim women ,. we called them Gatoori, do you know what is the meaning of Gatoori , people who have no care of anything , no manner, no religion , no rules ,no responsibility

My rest time in office , I should eat my lunch and ready to say my noon prayer.

Mohsen · Post by **Mohsen** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:07 am

Dear Setreh and Hurieh,

Thanks for your posts ,I read it, I will write to you later.
Tonight I should go to a party to see my sister new infant , I should prepare a gift for her baby.
Thanks God that she has given birth naturally ,without sezarian
I am very happy today and Like to share my happiness with all of you.

Bye

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:35 am

Dear Setareh,

How are you dear. It’s a pleasure to be addressed in your post. Whatever I wrote to you was my genuine feelings towards your thoughts. I hope you didn’t take them as simple compliments. Your great thoughts root in your great personality and appears in your posts. Well…Let’s stop complimenting and switch to the main topic…. LOL

Dear Setareh, about two weeks ago, I raised a topic when we were talking and I promised to you that I will explain it in details later. Do you remember? You know, when it comes to religion I feel I’m speechless. Talking about religion is too difficult to me due to some probable misunderstanding that may happen. On the other hand, I’m neither infallible nor expert to talk about these topics. So I just share my personal idea about it here.

In my opinion, the most principal and crucial matter is having “strong faith” when it comes to religion. To strongly believe that Allah is the only power on the world that should be worshiped.

But what does show that we are holding strong faith to Allah in order to take step in the straight path (صراط المستقیم)?

Let me clarify it with this example. Suppose I beg to Allah to apply for a job. Then, I’ll do my best and try to get qualifications that are required for that job application too. I did what I was expected to do till here. But I’m not still sure that I will get that job so I may give bribe to a jury member or I may ensure myself by nepotism. Instead of doing my best and leaving the rest to Allah I did some attempts that prove my doubt and instability in having total faith to Allah. I may get that job by using those strategies but not in a right legitimate direction. It’s quite pointless to repeat “الله اکبر” several times per day while our daily actions show something quite opposite –to lay our hands on any illegitimate option that is available to get whatever we want while we’ve already asked Allah to help us too. But the story will be different if I couldn’t get that job. I will point my finger to Allah and complain about unfairness. Am I right?

If we feel our faith to Allah through our heart, we’ll find its positive effects on our soul. Ultimately, we’ll have peace of mind and tranquility. Real believers of Allah taste the sweetness of their faith through their heart. And their faith will provide them with calmness, comfort, and peace of mind. They will also find its bodily advantages. These people hardly have stress-related feelings and thoughts and can spread positive waves to their surrounded people and sphere. They are always content and optimist and the people who have surrounded them can also feel that.

Dear Setareh, children are being taught about rituals and religious affairs when they reach to a particular age which is called responsibility age “سن تکلیف” in our society. In my opinion the term should be changed to another one. The term “responsibility” itself makes people feel that they are forced to do these affairs. We should know and deeply believe that we do need to do these affairs. God doesn’t need our prayers but we do need to worship him to get its uplifting benefits on our soul and body.

One more thing should be noticed… In that specific period of time, our parents and teachers start with teaching some religious affairs to the children. They hardly start with talking about Allah and the philosophy behind those activities at the beginning. So, we may do religious affairs but mostly unconsciously and without in-depth perception of its necessity—something like mandatory responsibilities and tasks. We pray three times per day but rarely pay attention to the philosophy of doing these affairs. Very soon, we get used to them and they change into some ordinary routines and simple habits in our lives. We do some affairs like other routines such as eating, drinking, sleeping, so on; but we don’t take the benefit of them and we can’t find its positive effects on our body and soul.

A friend talked to me about an American mathematician called Dr. Jeffry Lang who has talked about Islam. I found one of his online books named “Even Angels Ask: a journey to Islam in America” and determined to start reading it in coming days. I believe reading these types of books can be more effective since we are getting information from people who are looking at the same thing from different angles. It’s different from our understanding out of that subject. I’ll share the link with you below. You may like it.

http://www.slideshare.net/firdauswhwong ... ffrey-lang

Dear Setareh, talking about ethical issues and morality is so easy. The thing matters so much is that how successful I am in following whatever I preach. In other words, being real human is much more important than being a religious person. I personally confess that I’ve lived in stupidity and blindness for these 25 years somehow. I’ve been looking for the answer of some philosophical questions and lost considering some principles. This Ramadan which passed was a good opportunity to strengthen our faith. But it’s a pity that we lose its blessings so soon. I learned that I should find the ways that strengthen my faith to Allah, then my questions will be answered. I should change my field of view to see other angles too. I guess I should start from zero.

Regards,
Hurieh
Aug 6th/ 2015

Hurieh · Post by **Hurieh** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:05 am

Dear Mohsen,

What a great news! I sincerely congratulate you and your family on this happy event. I wish your sister and her newly-born baby health and happiness. Have you noticed when someone gives birth people mostly ask about the gender of that infant? You forgot to reveal his/her gender. Winking...

Uncles hold strong connection to their nieces and nephews. Thanks for sharing your happiness.

Regards,
Hurieh
Aug 6th/ 2015

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Hi Mohsen

YOU SAID: During your absent time you were searching and studying through internet and it is clear that you are ready for discuss, well.
Who write the Wikipedia and you want to bring your reasons from it.I don’t say that the Wikipedia always tell lie , but you should look at it with wide perspective ,

My answer: Those are statistic from events that happened around the world.
Also I told you if you are not talking about human rights and you don't know what is inside them, please DONT talk to me.

YOU SAID: You should think who has create those terrorist groups. Who has created ISIS , You should think that if the USA government had not any role in 11 September, why there is no Jewish people in the building, who was there to take film when the plane is flying over the building !!!?

My answer: I brought the other side of the story because you were the one who brought it. Also I told you already. Maybe you don't listen I don't want to waste my time with you IF you are not talking about human rights. Let explain this: In this world has a lot of different categories of rights and laws and they are not inside human rights. Don't put all of them inside human rights because they are not. Also this topic is not about human rights. Let say again Don't talk to me if you are not talking about human rights.

From previous
My answer:
Women in Iran march against discrimination
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/ ... sts.women/
https://news.vice.com/article/iranian-w ... ory-hijabs
http://www.boredpanda.com/mandatory-hij ... y-freedom/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... s-alinejad

YOU SAID: As I told you, you know a little about Muslims and Iran situation, You are speaking about Muslim women, if a person protest against Hejab, she is not Muslim, Hejab is a principle Islamic rule and it protects women not to misused like what women are used in USA and Europe.

MY Answer: Interesting look like they are not feel so protect.
Women in Iran march against discrimination
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/ ... sts.women/

YOU SAID: Making a mountain out of a molehill, you heard this idiom, this is what CNN, BBC always do.
you are speaking about Muslim women, there are a few people who protest against Hejab, but you shouldn’t consider them as Muslim women,. we called them Gatoori,

do you know what is the meaning of Gatoori, people who have no care of anything, no manner, no religion, no rules, no responsibility

MY ANSWER: It doesn't matter how you put it. The truth always came out. Si el rio suena es porque piedras trae or If there's smoke, there's fire brings it.

Have a nice day

Divinna · Post by **Divinna** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:31 pm

Hi Mohsen

YOU SAID: As I told you, you know a little about Muslims and Iran situation, You are speaking about Muslim women, if a person protest against Hejab, she is not Muslim, Hejab is a principle Islamic rule and it protects women not to misused like what women are used in USA and Europe.

My answer: Please don't try to cover the sun with your finger. The is not place or country in this rotten world than women hasn't been mistreated and used by men in different ways.
I can bring a lot of examples from all the countries around the world, but I don't want to waste my time with you anymore.

Have a nice day

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:02 am

For The Sake Of Knowledge. http://www.myenglishclub.com/profiles/b ... -knowledge
Posted by arif saeed on August 8, 2015 at 11:00Send View Blog
Who is Sunni Muslim?
The Muslim who follows Sunnah.

What is sunnah?
The teaching and actions or examples of Muhammad, Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him). Personally, I don't like to label myself as Sunni Muslim as there is no such word "Sunni Muslim" in Quran and Hadith.

The Sunni Muslim believe that Muhammad, Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) didn't nominate a successor before his departure from the world. Hence, the most of his prominent companions (may Allah be pleased with them) gathered and elected Abo Baker Siddique, (May Allah be pleased with him) the closest friend, and father in law as the first caliph through democratic way.

There are four schools of thoughts in jurisdiction of Sunni Muslims such as Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hunbali. They all have slight differences in their method of practicing Islam, however the destination of all is the same i.e Allah and the road to the destination is Prophet (peace be upon him) . The first four caliphs who were differed from one another in nature, wealth, and attitude, but were the most beloved companions of Prophet (peace be upon him). The similarity among all companions was Taqwa (God-fearing).

Now come to the point I like you to know. I came across a debate whether the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace be upon him) is alive or death.
Among all schools of thoughts there is no discrepancy that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) tested the death. Allah says in Quran, [39:30]
"Indeed you (O dear Prophet Mohammed – peace and blessings be upon him) will taste death, and they (the disbelievers) too will die.". As a matter of fact, all living things including martyrs about whom Allah forbade us to call "death" in Quran [2:154] too have to test the death according to this verse of Quran [03:185] "Every soul must taste death".

There is almost all Sunni Muslims who believe that the death is a mean/process of transferring soul from temporary life to perpetual life. As per this concept, the soul of pious people resting peacefully in their grave till the resurrection day, whereas, the soul of transgressors are lying unrest in their grave.

Majority Muslims, as per this concept, believe that the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him) resting in his grave with sound and safe. I was astonished when I came to know that a group of Muslims denied this fact by referring to the verse of Quran as cited above [39:30] and putting aside the authentic Hadith, which states that the Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him) while replying to a query of Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them) said, "Allah has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of the Prophets." [Abu Dawud Book 002, Hadith Number 1526.]

Furthermore, there is another authentic Hadith Narated By Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: If any one of you greets me, Allah returns my soul to me and I respond to the greeting. [Abu Dawud Book 004, Hadith Number 2036:]

In response to the last Hadith as referred above, I would like to refer to Surat Al-Ahzab verse No 56.

"Indeed Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet; O People who Believe! Send blessings and abundant salutations upon him." (Everlasting peace and unlimited blessings be upon the Holy Prophet Mohammed.)

Note: There is no need to explain how much blessings and abundant salutations are sent upon beloved Prophet (peace be upon him)during 24 hours.As per this Hadith, He (peace be upon him) responds to them all. Can we imagine how many times a day the soul of Prophet is returned to him in order to respond to all the greeting? Absolutely NO! Besides, Allah says in Surah No 21 and verse No 107 " And We have not sen t you O Muhammad (peace be upon him) except as Mercy to the worlds". He (peace be upon him) has been sent as Marcy to the worlds. It means there is no more Marcy to the world as soon as he (peace be upon him) was died? Allah blessed us wisdom to carry out His orders by understanding the priorities or scale of preference rather than drawing the stereotypical image from few words whereas the whole content testifies that He is alive in his grave.

Despite having these kind of differences which also based on Taqwa (God-fearing), we are united as Muslims under the shade of the word of purity " There is no worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His last Messenger." In Allah`s eyes, it is a crime to be involved in sectarianism. Allah says in the Quran (3:103). "Hold on firmly together to the rope of God, and be not divided among yourselves"

The above references are too obvious to argue, yet different opinions but in a respectful way are welcomed.

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:04 am

Comment by Behnam 11 hours ago

Hi dear brother Arif Saeed,

Thank you very much for posting a post about Sunny Muslims. That was informative. I've got some questions for you. I hope you will answer to them. You've written:

"The Sunni Muslim believe that Muhammad, Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) didn't nominate a successor before his departure from the world. Hence, the most of his prominent companions (may Allah be pleased with them) gathered and elected Abo Baker Siddique, (May Allah be pleased with him) the closest friend, and father in law as the first caliph through democratic way."
1) How many people were gathered there?
2) If Prophet of Islam (PBUH) didn't nominate a successor before his departure from the world, why did the first Caliph nominate, a successor before his departure from the world? 3) What do you mean by "through democracy way"? What is democracy?
4) How do you evaluate and measure the quality of a friendship? In other words, how much close Abobakr(MABPWH)was to Muhammad(PBUH)?
5) Where was Ali; prophet's son-in-law when they were gathering in 'Saghife-bani-saede'?

You have written:
"Furthermore, there is another authentic Hadith Narated By Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: If any one of you greets me, Allah returns my soul to me and I respond to the greeting. [Abu Dawud Book 004, Hadith Number 2036:]"

6) I don't like to bother you by asking more, but I'd like to know what the meaning of that greets is? Is it necessary for Muhammad(PBUH) to respond us? Why Allah wants Muslims to greet Muhammad(PBUH)?

You have written:
"Allah has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of the Prophets." [Abu Dawud Book 002, Hadith Number 1526.]"
7) How many prophets' names and stories have come in the Holy Quran? How was Zakaria killed? How was Yahya killed? How did Solyman die?... What is the use of having unconsumed body under ground? Is it an important thing? I guess, in terms of body, there is no difference between prophets and others. How do you think?

I am waiting for your answers.

All the best,
Behnam, 10 August, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:06 am

Comment by arif saeed 2 hours ago

Dear Behnam,

First of all, your participation on this discussion is most welcome! Before I reply to your all queries, we should bear it in our mind that there are some differences in our source of belief. So, it's not necessary for you and me to believe in any contradictive facts confront while having debate. However, I deserve my fullest right to enunciate queries to the best of my humble knowledge.

Come to your queries

1) How many people were gathered there? 3) What do you mean by "through democracy way"? What is democracy?

After the departure of Prophet of Islam, (peace be upon him), there was a confusion rose that who would take the charge of caliphate. As we all know sincere people never offers himself for the highest post. Hence, no one came forward to take the charge. A question from Ansar, inhabitant of Madina and great helpers of Prophet (peace be upon him) was put forward that the successor would be from Ansar. Second question was submitted by the migrant of Makkah that caliph should be from makkans. The point of this discussion was who spent more time with him deserved more rights for the post.

Abo Bakar Siddique, (May Allah be pleased with him) stood and referred to Umer bin Abdul Khittab (May Allah be pleased with him) as a proposal for the post. Umer (R.A) refused it saying that a person who accompanied him the most among all companions (may Allah be pleased with them) was Abo Baker (R.A). Besides, there were many evidences that Muhammad (peace be upon him) always preferred him to all other companions. Besides, the age was also another factor in deciding the successor. All prominent companions agreed to Umer's proposal.

If anyone ponder over this even keeping in view of present form of democracy, he may find many faults. He must keep it in mind that at that time, there was no media nor proper system which could make it convenient for everyone to cast his vote. Hence, whatever was decided by the most prominent companions was accepted by the majority at time. Hope you answer your query.

I will answer you rest questions later. First I wanna know your opinions on my reply.

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:07 am

Comment by Behnam 31 minutes ago

Dear brother Arif Saeed,

So many thanks for replying. First of all you should know, I am neither Sunny, nor Shiite. You can consider me as an unbeliever who has come, for example, from Mars. Now, I am a new person on the Earth. I have decided to choose a religion. Therefore, I am studying all religions to see which of them quenches my thirst. I hope you can figure this assumption, since I really don't care about either Sunny or Shiite!

You have written:

"The point of this discussion was who spent more time with him deserved more rights for the post."

Now, the question is this: When did Umar(رضی الله عنه) accept Islam? In comparison with Ali, prophet's cousin and son-in-law, who had spent more time with Muhammad(PBUH)? When did Ali accepted Islam?

You have written:

"Abo Bakar Siddique, (May Allah be pleased with him) stood and referred to Umer bin Abdul Khittab (May Allah be pleased with him) as a proposal for the post. Umer (R.A) refused it saying that a person who accompanied him the most among all companions (may Allah be pleased with them) was Abo Baker (R.A)"

This seems like a game to me! You support me, I'll support you[scratch my back and i'll scratch yours]. This is a famous game. In our organization, we often play this game. Believe me, once I myself have played this game. This is not election. This is selection! Dear brother Arif saeed, if you think I am trying to insult Prophet's companions you are wrong. I have great respect for all of those great people. However, their method in selecting Caliph seems neither logical, nor morally or logically defensible. In Mars we call it a political game designed in the past, to be played in a proper time.

Once again, I should emphasize that I am neither Sunny nor Shiite. I am an unbeliever, studying religions and their branches to see which of them convinces me. You can consider me as a thirsty person who is looking for some drinks. I am studying drinks such as water, wine, beer, different juices,...to see which of them is healthy for my body. You should also know, I am expert enough to study them in my lab.

My brain says a great messenger like Muhammad(PBUH) who has established a system of governing after taking a lot of efforts and attempts in 23 years, IS SUPPOSED to give at least some advice to the future mechanism of election or selection. I am still studying this important issue. If I don't find any suggestions, signs, points, guidance, advice, ... from him(Muhammad(PBUH)) on nominating a successor or showing a mechanism to elect or select someone as caliph after his death, I won't accept Muhammad(PBUH) and Islam! I am so serious in this issue. It is neither acceptable nor logical to leave a community without-at least-giving some advice on the method of governing! Muhammad(PBUH) should have cared about the world of Islam after his death. If he hadn't cared, he'd would have been called a careless leader!

Brother Arif Saeed, please be patient. I am looking forward to reading your answers and explanation.

All the best,

Behnam, 11 August, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:51 am

Hi dear friends,

In a post-Dog loving- I hadn't been fair, because I have put all the blame on the West and Westerners! My dear friend Divina has become angry with me and has called me two-faced. Well, she is quite right, because when chatting or emailing, I often approach things from different angels and take almost everything into consideration. In particular, I often try to see both sides-advantages and disadvantages-of issues. But, in my post, I have put almost all blame on the West! I owe her an apology.

If we consider one side of the coin as the negative influences of West culture, the second side of the coin is those easily fooled naive people in our own society! Why do we always blame others? Why do we always make some excuses for our own faults? Why don't we take the responsibilities for our actions and reactions? If dog-loving has come from the West, why do we easily accept it?

The game has got two players. If one of them is the enmity of outside world, the other one is the naivety of inside people. We often say: Ancient Mongolians destroyed our country! Alexander destroyed our country. Arabs destroyed our country... Undoubtedly, our enemies have been cruel with us, sure, but why don't we say: We made a big mistake. We were fooled. We are stupid. We are naive. We are not a normal community.

Anyway, obviously, bad effects, having bad influences, destroying, and all bad devilish actions are what enemies often do in both cold and warm wars! However, one of the main reasons for all failure is our own stupidity and carelessness. This important fact mustn't be denied. When you are stupid and easily fooled, blame yourself more than blaming the cruelty of enemy! This is what should be noticed all the time.

All the best,
Behnam, 11 August, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:01 pm

Comment by arif saeed 55 minutes ago

Dear Behnam,

You seemed to have confessed about selection of Abo Baker (May Allah be pleased with him) as first caliph. Thank you so much!

When the criteria, after having long debate, was turned into favour of Abo Baker (R.A) who was friend of him since childhood, He (Abo Baker) stood and referred to Umer bin Abdul Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him) as a proposal for the post. As I said earlier in my reply to your queries "As we all know sincere people never offers himself for the highest post". However, What can I reply to that suspicious mind which always doubts the intention of others. Allah knows the intention of all. We are greatfull to this man as savior of Islam.

Now come to your illogical question as response to my comment "The point of this discussion was who spent more time with him deserved more rights for the post". who accepted Islam first?

Ali (R.A) accepted in 610 when he was 10 years old, whereas Umar converted to Islam in 616 when he was 33 years old. Thus, Umer (R.A.) was 23 years older than Ali in age. Does accepting Islam of a 10 years old child means passing more time than who accepted Islam 6 years later? Therefore, I said in my reply to your queries, "Besides, the age was also another factor in deciding the successor".

you declared youself as disbleiver but the way you responded to my comment seems to be strongest believer. what a condradiction inyour words and your actions. Do you think to have further debate with such suspecious character helps us come to a peaceful conclusion? In accordance to my vest experience, No!

So try to maintain PEACE on your side, please.

Thank you so much for taking part in this discussion so far.

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:04 pm

Comment by Behnam 5 minutes ago

Hi brother Arif saeed,
Thank you very much for replying. Unfortunately, instead of answering and reasoning you are judging. Call me whatever you like. Strong believer, disbeliever, suspicious, ...! That's OK. However, answer to my questions please! I don't know why you avoid peaceful discussion all the time. You Muslims don't know how to debate! My questions are clear and simple.

On judgement day we will surely see who has been sincere. I am not judging about anybody. Only God knows what the intention of people is.

I am asking you some simple questions. Answer to my questions please. The questions in my second comment were:

When did Umar(رضی الله عنه) accept Islam? In 616

In comparison with Ali, prophet's cousin and son-in-law, who had spent more time with Muhammad(PBUH)? Ali

When did Ali accepted Islam? 610

These are some simple answers to my questions. WOW, Ali has accepted Islam when he has been 10 years old? Wonderful! Everybody knows children get affected and learn something from others much better than adults. This is a proven fact. Amazingly and strangely, whatever reason you offer is in favour of Ali! An adult has often a biased brain(a formed personality). This is what psychologists say. So, living with Muhammad(PBUh) in his childhood can be a great honour for Ali. A little boy spends his time with Muhammad(PBUH), without killing his daughter[As Umar(رضی الله عنه) had done]! Swear to Allah, which one is Muhammad's (PBUH) close friend? Which one is more similar to Muhammad(PBUH) it terms of character?

I am asking you some simple questions, but you are judging. If it bothers you, let's change our postilions. You ask me some questions to see how I answer to you, without accusing you or without judging. When there is an acceptable universal logic, Umar, Abo Bakr(رضی الله عنها) and Ali and all people must be judged based on that logic. Being emotional and closing our minds to some scientific, psychological, historical, and philosophical facts results in nothing.

It should be mentioned again, I don't care about Ali and other companions. If you logically prove that Abo Baker and Umar(رضی الله عنها) have been better than Ali and have had some particular preference, I will accept Sunny branch of Islam.

All the best,
Behnam, 11 August, 2015

behnam · Post by **behnam** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Comment by arif saeed 24 minutes ago

When you call yourself unbeliever, means impartial but in the whole debate speaking for a particular schools of thought exposes everything. A drunker when found barely drinking wine, denied it, rather began abusing the catcher is an old trend. :). I have never seen a disbeliever swearing to Allah. :) You have been judged who you are behind the screen in view of facts. The true judgement on the basis of facts is the blessings, but you are trying to prove as if true judgement with facts is an abuse. Don't fear my dear :)

Muhammad (peace be upon him) called Ali (A.R) as gateway to knowledge. His two son Imam Hassan (A.R.) and Hussain (R.A) are the princes of the youngsters in Heaven. Ali (A.R) had high spiritual power.

Umer (R.A) was the only person for whom Muhammad (peace be upon him), himself, asked Allah and prayed to Him to convert to Islam. Umer ( R.A) about whom Muhammad (peace be upon him) said "if anyone after me came as prophet, he would be Umer". He was Umer (R.A) who gave a perfect system of administration. About whom Muhammad (peace be upon him) foretold that there would be no slightly threat of theft when it came to government of Umer (R.A.). Abo Baker used to love Ali (R.A) more than his so called lover. Similarly, Ali (R.A) used to love Abo Baker (R.A) more than his so called lover. East and west Abo Baker, Umer, Usman and Ali (R.A) are the best.

Choice of words always matters