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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby setayesh » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:34 am

Hiiiiiiiiiiii My Dear Old Friends


I'm a bit late in congratulating Nowrooz to you.so let me say Happy New year to all of you. wishing you all the best in this year.


you are always in my heart,although I rarely write in this beautiful garden.

lots of love
kisssssssss

Seti

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby grincas » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:15 am

Hi to all precious friends in this thread,

Congratulating Nowrooz to you.Wishing you full of healty and peaceful days ....

and I have a question for all. I know what means Nowrooz but I want to know your thoughts about it . What Nowrooz means in your country? How do you celebrate it?I really wonder it, I think that some people in my country don t know what it means and how to celebrate it. That s why I want to satisfy my knowledge.By the way ,ı want to remind my county it is Turkey.

Wish you best...

Grincas

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:41 pm

Hi Grincas,
Thank you for your kind message, Nowrooz means new day , it means that winter never remain , it means that if the nature changes , the nature of people should be change.
One of the custom and traditional which people do to decorate their home is Sofreh Haft Seen. Haft Seen in Farsi means seven “S.” and Sofreh is a cloth which is spread on the table or on the floor
The spread must have seven items that in Farsi begin with the letter “s,” specifically the letter “seen.”
1.Somagh (sumac) : symbolizes the color of sunrise
2. Serkeh (vinegar): symbolizes age and patience
3. Senjed (dried fruit from lotus tree): symbolizes love
4. Samanoo (sweet pudding): symbolizes affluence
5. Sabzeh (sprouts): symbolizes rebirth
6. Sib (apple): symbolizes health and beauty
7. Sir (garlic): symbolizes medicine

Additional items that begin with the letter “s” that are commonly seen on the Sofreh are:
Sekkeh (coin): symbolizes wealth and prosperity
Sonbol (hyacinth): a spring spring flower

Other items included but not begin with letter "S"
Mahi (fish): symbolizes life
Tokhmeh Morgh (egg): symbolizes fertility
Sham (candle): symbolizes enlightenment
Shirini (sweets): symbolizes spreading the sweetness
A book of poetry or prayer (Quran)

I never pay attention to Sofreh Haftseen. I don't want to spend my time to these trifling things ,but my wife prepare it and I respect her and follow her.

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Hi Amal Dear

Postby Kamelia » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:20 pm

How are you dear? How is everything going on with you? Hope it is all perfectly fine :-)
Thank you for the comprehensive post, I really appreciate it. You said:
"To say the truth, sometimes while dealing with people I try to fool myself just to know what they want and think about. And sometimes I just do that to get what I want. {-; "I am not sure that you get me but I hope so!"

Yes dear I do understand you and I have seen people doing this to see what others think about that certain matter.
You said you hate lies in general, I see to reason to ask you why since what I have seen of you during this friendship has all been pure honesty and true speeking of your heart out :-D

You asked me the following questions and now I am trying to be as truthful as you have always been :-D
"what would you do if you intend to joke with someone but that person took it too seriously and thought that your action was "cruel or something" then it became a big deal?! Would you continue joking or would you just simply tell them the truth and that you were joking?"

"Do you believe that we shouldn't joke with every person "even if they were our friends or something"? Should we know their internal personality first then play jokes on them? And do you think that there is a limit for fun or playing jokes on others? "

Actually, I am a humorous person. I feel like joking around when in groupes of friends but not always. Sometimes I joke with my professors, dormitory staff ladies and so on, not too much actually, because you might get kicked out LOL

What you say is quite natural to me. I have got into troubles a great deal but then tried to justify myself since I did not mean to offend them. Mind you, the jokes were not offensive to me at all but as my university is in another part of our country which the accent and culture differs from my own city and my accent does not really match them so...they found my jokes quite dull, you know!

Then I learned a big lesson, do NOT "fool" around everyone! Because sometimes people might seem too smiley and humorous in appreance but in fact they might be too serious-minded to hate you even for the joke you cracked LOOOL

But well, to sum this up, I find jokes and fooling arounds quite fun. There is no reason to harden this life more than it is. You do not live much, so why not try to make a happy world around you and warm other people and yourself up!

What do YOU think? You think I was wrong to laugh with my own roommates and be funny without knowing they culture? :-D

Hope to read from you so soon,


P.S. This is the first time I am using the quoting system so if you find any difficulties in reading my post, please let me know :-)

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Hi Ellie joon

Postby Kamelia » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:06 pm

How are you doing lovely girl? Happy New Yeaaaaar to you. How is it going there in your city? Your family? Everyone enjoying themselves and so on. You got guests? Are you invited to your relatives' houses? Will you take me too? :-D
I am quite alone this year. I mean I am mostly with family not relatives or friends. Spending time with them since during the year I saw so little of them. I was either studying away in my college or was in library or at home again studying or reading. Did not see much of them LOL

Ellie jo0o0on, not at ALL! Silly? Oh Gosh, damn me! When I said the word I did not mean that YOU produced a silly topic, I meant I had problems writing about them, so the sillyness is mine! LOOL
But I see that you got over it very well. You wrote about butterflies, lovely paragraph! Ellie joon I love them in nature too. Oh and besides butterflies I love lady-birds and dragon-flies. You might find me quite silly on bringing out such interests but...believe it or not I am crazy about them!

Now let's change the subject...oh it is spring and new scents are smelled outdoors, why did I come up with scents? I want to know if Ellie chose a new one :-D come on, tell me if you bought any new perfumes?

Ellieeee, speaking of scents, have you got flowers and trees in the yard? Which ones do you like these days?

Write to me Ellie so soon,

I'll be waitin,

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Hi Mohsen

Postby Kamelia » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:41 pm

How are you? How is the New-Years-life going on? Busy with guests and parties? Having fun? Or tired of buying groceries for serving guests? :-D

just kidding, hope you are enjoying the holidays with family.

Dear Mohsen, I understand that you wrote your post with a cellphone but the font was, believe me, too hard for such a short-sighted creature like me, to read! So I had to copy it to word and so on. But I read it anyhow :-D

Wow...you wrote of class differences, telephone banks (I hate them too man), headsets and aesthetism! Tell you what, although it fall loaded with topics it was comprehensive! Uh dear friend, complain is always there since most of things are not in their own places. Technology comes, people do not still know how to use it. Tech is there but there is no mannerism for it! No set of rules, it is all NOT TOs! You see?

Oh and aesthetism...you remined me of aesthetic movement, people who tried for it to achieve its real meaning. LOL Still you are reminding me of the lovely times studying for this year's konkur, Gosh! LOL Never mind of it...

Dear Mohsen, what do YOU think, what is it that modern people lack? Manners? Knowledge of beauties? Instructions? Values?

Waiting for your reply,

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Hi Setayesh

Postby Kamelia » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:49 pm

How are youuuu dear? Long time no see. I actually it has been a very short time that I have "reconciled" with this lovely place place too so..I understand you, been there Setayesh jan! :-D

Happy New Year to you too. Wish you have a wonderful year full of health, happiness and prosperity.

Happy to see your post here,

Write to us soon,

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Patience Is Virtue!

Postby behnam » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:31 am

Hi Wael & Hi Amal,

How are you? I hope all is going well with you and you are enjoying this lovely weather in this beautiful spring.

I heard that the most famous and effective religious leader who cared about his country and its people has been killed by enemies in a mosque. It was very sad. }: }: }:

Today, I saw in the headlines that the leader of rebels has resigned. This can be a piece of good news, but amazingly, strangely, ridiculously, till now, three countries; America, England, and Qatar has disagreed with his resignation! What does it say and mean? It says and means a lot for understanding people!

The main purpose of this post is not mentioning to some news. Surely, you know such things much better than me. However, as always, I was following the thread and read all posts carefully. Recently, I've found your posts a little bit bumpy! Particularly, I've found Wilzin complainant in his posts! This is not a good way to show sadness. This place is not good to share secrets. As a friend, I want you both to be patient and careful.

Dear Wael, a man should hide his negative feelings. When you feel lonely, nobody should know it! Why? That is obvious, since that is common for human beings to feel lonely. As you know, human beings were created to live in paradise. They were fooled by Satan and they did what they weren't expected to do! As a punishment, they were kicked out from that beautiful place. They are living in the Earth now. Well, being out of the right place, they all have a feeling of loneliness. This is common among people. However, a man should know the fact that he must hide his negative feelings. He must be like a mountain, alone and strong! {-:

One of the reasons for the attraction and need of ladies for men is their loneliness. Naturally, at a particular age, they feel very lonely. They often find men soothing. This makes them be attracted to men. In fact, this is the philosophy of life. To put it simply, this is the trick of nature; to keep life and generation going. Therefore, as a man, you are supposed to support a lonely girl. Stop complaining about loneliness. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh Wael, the price of cats and dogs is increasing dramatically in some societies. Do you know why? Well, there are many reasons for this. One of the main reasons is either men are not soothing anymore(=they don't play their roles rightly), or there is a shortage of men! Consequently, ladies replace them with dogs and cats!...hehehehehehe LOL On the other hand, it shouldn't be denied that these days, the majority of girls who are affected and influenced by the negative effects of the west philosophy, are more interested in girlfriend-boyfriend relationship! These kinds of relationships cannot be lasting. Sooner or later, ladies will be the losers and they have to think of having pets; such as cats and dogs! Oh, I am sure, in the future, cats and dogs will be very expensive. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am quite sure that my dear friend Wael will think I am taking Amal's side! But, this is not true. You are both my friends. I do care about you. I played the role of a mirror in this post. I reflected what I am functionally should do.

All the best,
Behnam, 25 March, 2013



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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby [amal] » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:09 pm

Hi Behnam,

How are you?

First of all I want to Thank you for your sympathy. In fact, I don't care if that person was the "most famous and effective religious leader" or not, at least he had a reason to be killed but what I care the most about is the innocent people who were there! :-( What fault does they commit???!! Praying and hearing gods words???!!! :cry:

*Emm, let me make myself clear cause I don't want anybody to misunderstand me, I am not saying that I am not sad about that Sheikh since death in itself makes us mourn. Above that, I am not saying that he deserved it. No, not at all! In my ideas only god knows who is right and who is wrong these days here. What I was saying is that he was involved in political matters not like other people who went to that mosque just to pray!

Anyway, let's forget it. May god have mercy on them..

Oh dear, my post wasn't bumpy, the situation in my country is enough for me! :lol: :cry:

I was just saying some facts and correcting some of Wael sentences ! {-:
Moreover, I am not who shared secret things here or anywhere else! I was just surprised when I saw that Wael was "is" sad and it's obvious that he was blaming me. Although, I don't know why! :lol:

I tread to be patient and didn't want to say ANY WORD about this topic and moreover -as you said- I don't agree to speak about such things in this place since I love it and don't want to distort it BUT I couldn't see someone accuses me and stay silent...

Dear friend, look, when you always alert and warn someone and tell him that this is what going to happen, however, although that he agrees and ask you to continue your friendship normally
and he is satisfied and will bear the risk of things in the future. After all that the things you had warned them from happens so he come and blame YOU!!!! WHYYYY???!!!! Why didn't he let you go from the beginning???!!! Why is he complaining now??!! Why isn't he satisfied??!!! Why does he just judge you and your actions although you were very clear and said that you can't do it from the beginning??!!!!
Dear friend just say the truth does he has the right?!

By the way, thanks for your words and your posts, I agree with every word you have said in them! You just say what is it in my mind. :)

It's lunch time here so I have to leave and end this post.

Sorry about all this matter, I really didn't want to bother you with me and my stories.

Wish you the best,
Amal

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Elham » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:36 pm

Hi dear Kami,

Happy new year to you and your family. Hope you are enjoying your holidays beside your mom, dad and sister.

Oh thanks for you very kind post. I'm very well and everything is great. Specially last two days that my lovely cute cousins had come to our city and we spent almost all day together. We enjoyed ourselves a lot;at nights we would gather together and spoke till morning, then we had some rest and again! We really enjoy talking to each other, my cousins are very friendly, nice and funny.We match together very well.We talk about everything, we do have serious conversations about life, marriage, relationships, family members, job, study,.... , as much as we make joke and laugh. Oh last night we laughed aloooooot, thank god! I'm very happy and energetic. They left us today in the hope that next month we go to their city and again enjoy our time.

Oh sometimes I imagine Behnam,Amal, Kami, Setayesh and Elham visit each other in person. Woooooooow, what a wonderful gathering! Five lovely, wise, kind and nice friends meet together and chat and have fun, oh I love it! :-D :-D :-D

I'm happy now, I love people of my life. My family members, my relatives, my friends,without them... oh noooooooo, I can't imagine it. I wish them all healthiness, happiness and success. Thankssssssssss God for gifting them to me.Thanks thanks thanks :-)

I wish you could travel to Esfahan, so that we could meet each other. I'm very serious honey, please plan to come here, I'm inviting you and your family to Njafabad. I'm sure we will enjoy spending time together, specially now that weather is so pleasant.Think about it pleaseeeeeeee :-)

You know, recently I'm very angry with this fake world, fake smiles, fake laughs, fake meetings...I wish everything were real! Heeeeeeeeem... :-x

Anyway, I enjoyed writing to you. I feel your kindness and warmth of your heart and enjoy it.Thanks honey.Oh Kami, please read my posts as a friend , not as an English specialist. I'm not satisfied with my English in this post and feel shy :oops:

Love,
Eli

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Hi Amal

Postby Moroo » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:59 pm

I'm sorry about my late reply.

You wondered "how we would know that our choice would be good". I think only the Mathematical results is a Hundred percent granted, but that doesn't mean we leave ourselves without doing our homework.

First: Always listen to your mind not to your heart.

Second: Keep your heart working 30% and your mind working 70% not the opposite.

Third: Always evaluate :prof: the relationship especially during the first period, because if you evaluate your relationship after a long time and found something bad with him :!!: , you will try to find many excuses for him to stay with him.

Fourth: Always listen to what your friends and your parents say, then think, don't ignore what they say, especially if all of them have different opinion.

Fifth: Don't take big decision unless you 100% sure. If you still hesitated take more time and more and more, because taking wrong step may destroy your whole life, and you will regret for the rest of your life.

Finally: ALWAYS leave anyone that when you are with him you fell happy and comfortable and when you are far from him you feel uncomfortable, that means he is Deceitful and you are in illusion, because when you are far from him your mind is working and when you are beside him your heart is working.

Always stay with the one you mean everything to him not the one that you mean a thing to him.

Wish you all the happiness in your life and your future :-P

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby Mohsen » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:58 am

Dear Kamelia,

I hope you enjoy your new year holiday beside your parents ,Thank you for your post,sorry for using a fade font in last my writing to you. Although you wear a dominant eyeglasses (As I see in your beautiful picture),you hardly read it.
About modern people, people who use modern equipment . many people have lack of knowledge about their culture and belief , because they didn't study about their history ,their ideology ,so their mind is like an empty shell , so attracted and built their personality by what the technology feed them , they think if they match their personality with western style in life and appearance ,they are calling modern people, you see people with special style of hair ,or having a small dog in their car. Some people follow the western culture , like Valentine ( it is important for them that a priest in jail wrote a letter to daughter of warder and said I love you)
The modern people have lack of studying about their rich culture and belief.
What is your idea?

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Strange and disappointing!

Postby behnam » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:04 am

}: }: }: }: }: :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

Hi all friends,

You cannot imagine how sad and amazed I am right now! I am not sad and amazed because of Amal's words or her sentences and reactions! I am sad about Islam and Muslim!

When I was at school, I used to think about the reason why the world of Islam is lagging behind the rest nations! During the studying time at schools and university I was always searching for a good reason to satisfy myself. The more I searched the less I found. Sometimes, I criticized our cultures which value laziness rather than hardworking. Sometimes I criticized the enemies. Sometimes I criticized the previous leaders, politicians and kings. These are only some minor reasons. After overcoming Prejudice which always prevents us from understanding and accepting facts, I tried to study the history of Islam and Iran. Finally, I understood why the world of Islam as well as Iran are lagging behind the developed countries.

As it is mentioned above, there are many reasons for this lag, but I'd like to write about one of them which is extremely important; I suppose so.

I am not a politician, and I dislike politics. However, I never close my eyes to facts. I cannot be alive and ignorant at the same time. Ignorance equals death in my life philosophy!

Considering things in a way they are either completely good(right) or completely bad(wrong) is called 'seeing things in black and white'. This is a simple way of judgement. In many areas of life, we must think in an analog way, not digitally. However, we should be careful, when there is a fight, one side is right and the other side is wrong! There is no third option! War and fight are black and white. There are no grey areas in those situations!

One of the main reasons for lagging behind is the lack of recognition! Muslims are terrible at recognizing enemy from friend! In order to put emphasis on it I'd like to write it in bold shape: "MUSLIMS ARE TERRIBLE AT RECOGNIZING ENEMY FROM FRIEND"! But why?

First we must accept this fact, since accepting a fact is half of knowing the reason for it! Books can be written about this lack of recognition. I am not in the mood for writing more about it, but if a wise Muslim read the story of Siffin war, s/he could drag many facts out of it. I strongly recommend that my friends read the story of Siffin war to get familiar with the philosophy of 'Abu Musa Al-Ashtar'i! Some Muslims who lack recognition put a lot of things after his name( Razi Allaho Anho, May God bless him, ra...)! If you asked them why, they might say; "well, he was a companion of the prophet; he had the most beautiful voice when he recited Koran"! Is that enough? A machine or a recorder may recite the holy Koran much better than him. Many people, animals, things were companion of the prophet!

For me, that person is known as the father of 'Third Philosophy'! After being fooled by the representative of Mawyeh he naively said, "Both Ali and Mawyeh are wrong"! Some naive people cheered and shouted 'Bravo, bravo, bravo..Ashari, Ashari, Ashari.." ! What happened? You know it.

In my opinion, when there is a war, a fight, one side is right and the other side is wrong. Others are supporting those two sides with accordance their own benefits. There is no third option. It is our duty and religious responsibility to think wisely and to recognize the right side and support that. If we lack recognition-we cannot recognize enemy from friend- we are useless! Useless people who cannot recognize enemies from friends are wasting food and energy. They are useless and dangerous!

The first paragraph of Amal's post sounds really strange! Oh my God! People are different with different ability, talent, intelligence, effectiveness, importance,...All people have nose, mouth, head, stomach, hair, etc. They eat, drink, sleep, etc. BUT, they are different. They are not the same. Einstein is a man. Behnam is a man too. Both are physicists, but the differences between us is much bigger than the entire world.

Her way of writing sounds beautiful. Some sugar coated words which are obtained from the Satellite TVs are put beside together to show that the writer is modern and thinks differently! Come on girl! Be yourself! Stop being like 'Abu Musa Ashari'; there is no third option. The enemy thinks differently, although it speaks beautifully. It is like snake in the grass!

In some events, for example, when a city is bombarded by an enemy; in order to misuse the emotions of other nations-to make others emotional and get benefits from it-they often say; "Hundreds women and children were died"! It doesn't mean that these people are more important than men. It means that these people were innocent. They weren't fighting, but they were died!

Anyway, I am really sad, amazed and disappointed!

All the best,
Behnam, 26 March, 2013


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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby WiLZiN » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:11 pm

My dearest dear Amal...

1- You are upset with me I know that and I'm very sorry for that and because of that I'm upset with someone here "It's me".
2- You invited me to this thread but we were not close friends as now, and when our friendship went more stronger and deeper and you told me more and more about the thread and the dear friends Behnam & Elham I wanted to be here and I asked you for the address but you didn't gave it to me so your brother gave it to me.

Have nice days...
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby behnam » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:50 pm

Hi Yan,

Welcome to this thread. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you once again for putting comment. We are all English learners in this place.

Your English is very good. I hope we will help each other with great improvement in it.

Please write more about yourself, your country and your life. About me, you can find some information on the first page. If you need to know more about me, just let me know.

I hope to hear from you soon.

All the best,
Behnam, 26 March, 2013

P.S. Yan's first post is on page 110!

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby WiLZiN » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:24 pm

Dear brother Behnam...

1- the most famous and effective religious leader who cared about his country and its people in Syria was "Albouti" who you can rate him as "Alkhomaini" in Iran. He saw what is happened in our country as a part of the holy war of the end of time and a preparation to the appearance of the Antichrist.
2- I didn't share any secrets, I just wrote general feelings and I didn't nominee any one or for what I was upset. Your last post rouse Amal to speak but it's ok and the situation shift to a higher level and it's good in general so don't worry.
3- Your words are wise and your approach is Inspirational, I'm envy you for is man. Your experience in life is so useful for me my older brother.
4- You and Amal are so precious to me, and if you were in her side that's ok dear because your words and ideas are welcome all the time.

Have nice days...
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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby [amal] » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:37 am

Hi Behnam,

How are you?

First of all, I want to say sorry that I or my words made you sad and disappointed.

Dear, when people speak or discuss political matter or sensitive things both sides have the right to say their full and true ideas, therefore, noone should get upset and those words and thoughts shouldn't effect the relationship between their owners...

Anyway, In this post I want to make myself clear and explain my idea more for you, I am not saying that I am right and you are wrong or the opposite. I AM JUST SAYING MY OWN IDEAS which I am convinced with them and I don't have to put sugar on them even I don't have to make them sound beautiful since I haven't taken them from anywhere else, by the way, I hate satellite news channels... Hehe :lol: :lol:

I'd like to begin my main point by starting from the beginning...

In fact, in the past, I met our president and his wife in person, you can't believe how kind and great person he was, he was very simple and I am sure that there is NO president in THE WORLD deals with his people like he did, he were our brother. I was very happy of his efforts on building our country since it was developing very fast.

However, when bad things started to happen what they called it "revolution", I was against it and took our president side and believed that there wasn't any need for it. Moreover, all people knew that these actions are America's and Israel's actions. All people took this matter as a silly thing and said that they can't play this joke on us and we are stronger than what they think, all people were watching what is going in the country on TV as if it was a movie since all the things were a big lie! However, after some while things changed and killing had started when it wasn't
needed. So dear Behnam, although that person was great "the right or white side" and I believed in him BUT KILLING is against my beliefs so it was a black mark on a white area so that made the color grey!
How would I accept that he is right and ignore my beliefs and things that I believe in?!
In this way, I won't have a principle! And that will make me a useless and a two faced person!

My friend, believe me grey side is needed here, I can't be with a side which killing people. Even

though, he is right and he is against Israel our real enemy. On the other hand, I can't be with the rebels who I even don't believe at all in them and see them black!
Grey side isn't useless, it even isn't just about some modern ideas from a silly girl. No, not at all. It's a principle which Based on not believing in killing innocent people, it's about fighting and killing the right enemy. It's about making our dream come true, it's about being united, dear, there was nothing would prevent us from being united if that silly actions hadn't been made! we "my country and yours" have the power to make the dream comes true. Don't we?!
However, they choose to fight indirectly and this is what I can't understand!

From what I have said up, I think now, it's clear that I am not following Abo Musa Al-Ashtar'i or any other Philosophy even I am not taking my words from Satellite TVs. These ideas are facts!

If it is our duty and religious responsibility to think wisely and to recognize the right side and support that then I can tell you bravely that THE PEOPLE SIDE IS THE RIGHT SIDE! Is that good?! Clear?! Am I not silly now? Am I not a coward girl??!

Behnam! you don't know how we "the people" are strong, you don't know how patience we are, you don't know how much we have sacrificed, you don't know how much those who you called them "silly girls" has given to this country, to their home! They has given it their fathers', brothers', their husbands' and their sons', isn't that enough??!!! If it asks our souls we will give it to it, we accept to die in the hope to give the next generation a better future. But dear, what I am saying that our blood shouldn't be wasted by killing each other for silly things, it should be for killing our real enemy, in this way, I can proudly just say that I gave my blood and my body to protect my land! Which is my honor! Believe it or not, if any side, the black or the white just said that he is going to fight the enemy, I will be ready to go with them and I will support them, am I still a silly girl?! If silly girl is like this then I am proud to be silly!

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Re: Let's learn together!

Postby [amal] » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:38 am

Dear, let me give you an example to be more clear and let me use the family or the father example which we used in our chat..

Let us imagine that there is a father "our president" who have kids "the people" and a wife "Arab". One day, one of his son make a mistake and go to play out in the street while his father said no to him and didn't accept, so when the father see his son playing he immediately kills him!! Well, he made a mistake and in your point of view he deserves that! After the son had been killed, his brothers were so sad about their brother and didn't know why their father did that so they went to their father to ask about the reasons. However, instead of explaining the matter and tell them that their brother made a mistake, he killed them! The wife in this point couldn't tolerate him so she went and asked help from her family "America and France and and and...etc". Her family were ready to help her since they will get benefit from that when they win the fight! Again in this point although the father is still strong but he wanted to make himself stronger, moreover his family "Iran and Russia and and..etc" wanted to support him too...
So both sides "big countries" started to control the husband and his wife and playing with them like dolls! Now there is two ways to end this story:
1- The wife's family's side win, so they will take the money which the wife will take it from the dowry.
OR the husband will die so they can take the house "The land" too.

2- The father's family's side win, so the husband will see that he should reward his family and at least appreciate their job by start giving them his salary or even he can give them parts of his house "the land".

I hope the story was clear so now let me explain my idea and how I would solve the matter if I was the father there are a lot of solution like:

1- the father from the begging don't kill his son, instead, he try to explain to him why his action was wrong and tell him that if he did it again, he will punch him, or even let him punch him from the beginning BUT WITHOUT KILLING! In this way, his son will have more respect for his father and will be more responsible in the next time..

2- The father kills his son since he made a mistake. HOWEVER, he explain to his brothers why he killed him, in this way, they will have a life lesson and will understand their father. Moreover, in this way, the wife would accept her first child death and may say that her husband was right and maybe they think that they didn't raise him up well so they have to be careful with their other sons and raise them perfectly!

3- The father and the wife solve their problems alone, without any external interference from their families just to keep the family independent and prevent it from being destroyed!

Whatever matter to me in this story is that everybody "the father, the mother, the both families" cared about proving that they are the right side and forget the much important thing which is the FAMILY OR THE HOUSE, nobody cared if the father's and the mother's family will destroy even nobody were fighting together and forgot the kids "the poor people" everybody were forgot about the real enemy!!!!

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Postby [amal] » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:39 am

Now let me return to your post, and say that I don't know why you'd find my first part strange, I really don't know!

Dear, of course all people have nose, mouth, head, stomach, hair, etc. They eat, drink, sleep, etc. However, they aren't different, they are all the same! Just the only thing which makes them different is their relationship with god; which is just known by HIM. For example, you made a comparison between you and Einstein. Well, Einstein is a great person and a famous one but how is his relationship with Allah?! Does you know anything about it? No, you don't cause you just know what it's written about him. On the other hand, you aren't a famous person as much as him and maybe people don't even know who you are. However, your relationship with god is very strong. Can we still say that Einstein is much

important than you???!!! If god say in the holy koran " لا فرق بين عربي و اعجمي الا بالتقوى و العمل الصالح" how would we say sth against that???!!!

What I meant in my first post is that there are a lot of hidden innocent people who were killed for no reason and nobody cared about their death, meanwhile everyone were busy with knowing who killed that shaikh!!!! Not to get revenge from his killer, no, but just to prove that the other side is wrong... isn't that silly???!!! He just simply passed away, who killed him will be punished by god since only him knows who he is..

it's 5 AM now, and my mind has stopped working and I haven't sleep yet so I have to finish this post now. However, I hope my words didn't bother you this time and I hope

you understand me.

thanks for reading.
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A Different Angle!(Part One)

Postby behnam » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:45 am

Hi Amal,

Thank you very much for clear explanation. I really enjoyed reading your posts which are including your political points and show your main concerns. I know, it has taken you a lot of time to write those posts(the last three posts), but It's well worth the effort, since such things are informative. Your posts provide(or cause to provide) some useful facts or ideas.

First of all, it is vitally important to know that false assumptions result in wrong conclusions! In order to make good judgments, or to have strong foundations, we must be very careful with our basic postulates, basic concepts, and our assumptions.

There are many interesting issues in your posts. In fact, each of them can be a good topic for a long discussion. It will be very boring if I take all of them into consideration and write something about each one. However, I believe your analogy between family and country is really interesting. It won't be wrong if I say that the vast majority of your ideas(your conclusions) are based on this analogy(assumption). I'd like to write something about your analogy in the hope that it will help things become clearer to you and to people who think like you. Let's have a look at your analogy:
Let us imagine that there is a father "our president" who have kids "the people" and a wife "Arab". One day, one of his son make a mistake and go to play out in the street while his father said no to him and didn't accept, so when the father see his son playing he immediately kills him!! Well, he made a mistake and in your point of view he deserves that! After the son had been killed, his brothers were so sad about their brother and didn't know why their father did that so they went to their father to ask about the reasons. However, instead of explaining the matter and tell them that their brother made a mistake, he killed them! The wife in this point couldn't tolerate him so she went and asked help from her family "America and France and and and...etc". Her family were ready to help her since they will get benefit from that when they win the fight! Again in this point although the father is still strong but he wanted to make himself stronger, moreover his family "Iran and Russia and and..etc" wanted to support him too...
So both sides "big countries" started to control the husband and his wife and playing with them like dolls!


Why do you suppose the kid has been playing in the street?(actually, you have considered the rebels as an innocent kid who has been playing in the street. This has been against his father rules. Therefore, his father, who sounds wild and dictator in this analogy, has killed the kid cruelly. ).

Now, let's have another assumption: There is a successful family(your country). It has a good and effective relationship with its friends(With Iran for example). It achieves good improvement(as you have mentioned yourself). Other families(enemies) feel jealous and scared of it. The enemies put their mind together to find a way to destroy this family. All options are on the table! One of them says, "We should take military action". One of them disagrees and says, "Emm, I disagree with direct fight, because it is not economical. It is also dangerous to our solders' health and safety."

The third one is expert at Islamic families. It knows a lot about the differences, the desires, the attitudes, the values, the likes and dislike of Islamic families. Therefore, it says, "I also disagree with taking military action now. I have studied on the family members. The older boy is actually against his father. He has different views. He also likes to take his father's position in the family. He can be easily fooled if we speak privately with him. We will promise to support him if he agrees with our plan." One of them surprisingly asks, "What is the plan?" It answers, "We should highlight their differences. In order to make the situation complicated and critical, we will ask the older boy to kill his younger brother. He may resist, but we will tell him that killing your younger brother is the first step. I am sure, he will agree to kill his younger brother. When the younger brother is killed, the father will punish the old boy. He is strict. He may kill the older boy, because that is a law in the family to punish a criminal in the way that he has committed the crime. The mother is emotional. This will make her get angry with his husband. We can also send some private messages to her, in order to provoke serious debates. Right now, two boys are killed, and they are fighting with each other. Inevitably, three groups will be established inside the family: a) Father b)Mother C) Neutral members. Supporting mother, we can fool this group to kill someone from neutral members. At the same time, in the media, we will say the cruel father has killed that innocent person. The game will be played perfectly. The family will be destroyed automatically, sooner or later."

The father advises the family members, but it is useless. The situation is complicated. They don't believe each other. The father asks their friends for some help. He may say, "Oh my friends, although the problem is inside my home, your peaceful situation is not guaranteed. By the way, we have signed the support treaty. If the enemies destroy my home, they will destroy yours too. Help me!"


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Behnam, 27 March, 2013


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A Differnt Angle!(Part Two)

Postby behnam » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:21 am

Dear Amal, I want you to consider this analogy. I am sure the conclusions will be different. The main drawback to this analogy which also makes me wonder is that why the father doesn't leave the family? What forces him to resist? If I were him, I'd leave the family when my younger boy was killed. I don't know. Maybe, I would be able to speak with all members and make all angles clear to them. They might follow my advice. The older boy might change his idea, but how could I tolerate his crime. He is a criminal! If I punished him, it would create another tension. If I didn't punish him, it was against the laws.

This was my reply to your political views. I hope it is clear.

I'd like to write something about your interpretation on the Hadis. Let's have a look at it:
! If god say in the holy koran " لا فرق بين عربي و اعجمي الا بالتقوى و العمل الصالح" how would we say sth against that???!!!
I am not sure, either this is in the holy Koran or not. Maybe, it is a Hadis. It is similar to an Ayeh in the holy Koran that says, "...انّ اكرمكم عندالله اتقكم..." . Yes, that is right. However, we should know, it is mostly applicable in the other world. "عند الله", that is true, but what about "عند اابشر"?

In a society, there are many people. Only God knows who is a good person(in terms of his own criteria), and who is bad. He will give rewards to good people, and will punish bad ones. However, in the society, people are really different. Some of them are more effective than others. Some of them play more important roles than others. Obviously, from this point of view, people are different. They are not the same at all.

Thank you for reading. I'd like to repeat that
MUSLIMS ARE TERRIBLE AT RECOGNIZING ENEMY FROM FRIEND.

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