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Nuance of English

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:28 am
by sparkzbarca
Having a debate with someone that has English as a second language.

(Text messages)

Speaker: She's always argumentative complaining depressed and never has a good thing to say about anybody

Listener: I know!!

speaker: And she obviously doesn't miss not having us around

Speaker: She's very ashamed of me and Cullen cuz we don't fit into her idea of proper people

Speaker: I don't think she likes the fact that you and Donald are dating those strange type of people

Speaker: lol

Is the words "the fact that.." used to express the facts as the speaker sees them or as "she" sees them.

The other person believes the use of "the fact that" means it's a shared belief.

I've said no, it's the belief of "she" and clearly not the shared belief of the person writing the message.

Opinion?

Re: Nuance of English

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:28 am
by Firefox
sparkzbarca wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:28 am
Having a debate with someone that has English as a second language.

(Text messages)

Speaker: She's always argumentative complaining depressed and never has a good thing to say about anybody

Listener: I know!!

speaker: And she obviously doesn't miss not having us around

Speaker: She's very ashamed of me and Cullen cuz we don't fit into her idea of proper people

Speaker: I don't think she likes the fact that you and Donald are dating those strange type of people

Speaker: lol

Is the words "the fact that.." used to express the facts as the speaker sees them or as "she" sees them.

The other person believes the use of "the fact that" means it's a shared belief.

I've said no, it's the belief of "she" and clearly not the shared belief of the person writing the message.

Opinion?
For my money, I think "the fact that" is the speaker's pov. Not that it makes much difference IMHO. What if the speaker had said:

I don't think she likes you and Donald dating those strange type of people