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Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:53 pm
by Noface
This is my first post. And I am very new to this forum. So I hope I am posting it in the right place.

So here’s a sentence, about the use of the indefinite article, that goes:
Use the with names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

Why is it not phrased as “Use the with the names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.”?

I justify myself with the idea that the example does not just say, “use the with names.” Rather, it specifies the noun names with ...of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

What I mean is, it doesn’t just say names but names of geographical areas. Because we are talking about specific names, shouldn’t we use the?

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:37 pm
by patron
if you go to this website https://www.usingenglish.com/ and search for "the use of articles before of-phrases" it may help you.

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:06 pm
by Noface
Thank you! (:

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:09 pm
by patron
Did it help?

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:26 am
by Firefox
Noface wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:53 pm
This is my first post. And I am very new to this forum. So I hope I am posting it in the right place.

So here’s a sentence, about the use of the indefinite article, that goes:
Use the with names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

Why is it not phrased as “Use the with the names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.”?

I justify myself with the idea that the example does not just say, “use the with names.” Rather, it specifies the noun names with ...of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

What I mean is, it doesn’t just say names but names of geographical areas. Because we are talking about specific names, shouldn’t we use the?
You could also check out the ZERO article on EnglishClub:
https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/det ... rticle.htm

I think the very first case on that page counts: Use zero article with plural nouns and general meaning (in your example, "names").

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:49 am
by Noface
patron wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:09 pm
Did it help?
Yes, it kinda did:)

Re: Grammar: Use of the indefinite article in English

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:50 am
by Noface
Firefox wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:26 am
Noface wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:53 pm
This is my first post. And I am very new to this forum. So I hope I am posting it in the right place.

So here’s a sentence, about the use of the indefinite article, that goes:
Use the with names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

Why is it not phrased as “Use the with the names of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.”?

I justify myself with the idea that the example does not just say, “use the with names.” Rather, it specifies the noun names with ...of geographical areas, rivers, mountain ranges, groups of islands, canals, and oceans.

What I mean is, it doesn’t just say names but names of geographical areas. Because we are talking about specific names, shouldn’t we use the?
You could also check out the ZERO article on EnglishClub:
https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/det ... rticle.htm

I think the very first case on that page counts: Use zero article with plural nouns and general meaning (in your example, "names").
Thank you. I’ll check this out.