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Do people have the right to die how they choose?

Post by TalkingPoint » Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:09 pm

If people have the right to live how they choose, do they also have the right to die how they choose?
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Post by Guest » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:29 pm

Yes! All personal will should be respected either it's orally wish or documentally wish.

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Post by Shazzam » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:41 am

People should have the right to make this choice if they are terminally ill. However, due to the situations that legally face families; i feel that the importance should be placed in a legal document (either by document or by video) of the persons intentions. I think pretty much verbal understandings shouldn't be taken into consideration. It only takes a few minutes to make a video, and we all should have a Will anyway.

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Post by Dream » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:16 pm

I think people should have such rights, but unfortunately now we are not protected of using our rights as malicious intent :( Not all of people could protect themself from... their relatives. Now we can only dream of our wishes are fulfilled.
...Be happy...

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Post by Guest » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:00 pm

Right to die
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die

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Re: Do people have the right to die how they choose?

Post by gill » Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:21 pm

TP wrote:If people have the right to live how they choose, do they also have the right to die how they choose?
absolutely. as we have right to live we have right not to live.
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Post by lukiyas » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:21 am

i don't think people should have the right to die .we can't choose if we are born in this world or not so we don't have the right to leave.somebody may say they are terminally ill and they must suffer to terrible pains but pains are parts of living and some may say they are burdens to their families but would they do the same thing if their relatives fell in such situation.

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Post by Guest » Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:35 pm

lukiyas wrote: i don't think people should have the right to die .we can't choose if we are born in this world or not so we don't have the right to leave.somebody may say they are terminally ill and they must suffer to terrible pains but pains are parts of living and some may say they are burdens to their families but would they do the same thing if their relatives fell in such situation.
Just so you were born "without" your choice of whether you should have been born or not, you would not have a right to decide whether you should leave this world or not????? Oh my god, this is the first time I've heard something like this. No more words to express; otherwise, I would become really rude and right now, I'm PMSing. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Post by hagandaz » Mon May 02, 2005 3:18 pm

you are not born by yourself, it wasn't your choice. god wants that. we all belong to god, it's not our choice to die.

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Post by Guest » Mon May 02, 2005 4:45 pm

hagandaz wrote:you are not born by yourself, it wasn't your choice. god wants that. we all belong to god, it's not our choice to die.
So people who don't believe in God don't belong to God :roll: :roll: :roll: ???? No one belongs to anyone beside himself and family, PERIOD.

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Post by hagandaz » Mon May 02, 2005 4:49 pm

what i mean is that we are a creation of god. its not a question of believes. so we belong to god. this is the root.
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Post by Guest » Mon May 02, 2005 5:02 pm

hagandaz wrote:what i mean is that we are a creation of god. its not a question of believes. so we belong to god. this is the root.
Yes, it is not a question of belief because faith doesn't need proofs, but I don't believe in God; I believe in Buddhism and in Buddhism, we believe in evolution. There is no God. We have evolved. I don't believe human beings were made from clays on the ..... day of the week and then brothers and sisters mate with each other so this whole world could become full. Please don't give me that since I'm not that kinda believer. Please don't give me 'we belong to God is not a question of belief, but it's a fact.' As far as I know, the fact shows that we have evolved. No God involved.

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Post by hagandaz » Mon May 02, 2005 5:59 pm

god give us brains to think rationally, you can believe or not in god. but i'd like to know what do you think about death, is theire any life after death and how we came to this world, a lot of questions. i found the answers in islam. so i believe in god. i don't wanna cause a religion dispute but we should think together and try to find the answers : yours with mines.
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Post by leen@rasel » Wed May 04, 2005 8:44 pm

I dont think that people have the right to choose if they want to die because we were asked if we want to be humans or if we want to live we were created by God we live because he wants that and we die if he wanted to

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Post by leen@rasel » Wed May 04, 2005 8:47 pm

leen@rasel wrote:I dont think that people have the right to choose if they want to die because we were not asked if we want to be humans or if we want to live we were created by God we live because he wants that and we die if he wanted to

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Post by visali » Thu May 05, 2005 1:49 am

Absolutely they have no right to die themselves at thier wish.
Afterall, we all are living in a society.
Suicide will send danger signals to society and the people in the same state or circumstances can be inspired by that act.
The action, whatever it is, must do with the permission of Constitution of his country.

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I Dont Agree

Post by Pearla » Sat May 07, 2005 8:21 am



I think God gave us the right to live for a wisdom that he know it, so i think he's the only one who can take our souls and pass us away, so no one can really end his life by himselfe and say it's my right i dont want to live. ok, who gave you this right to live ? it's God, or it was possible for him to pass you away at the minute you born, but he didn't because he planned something for you and give you chance to live to serve the humanity and the earth. personally, i think those who say that they have the right to end their life are sick people who need help with my respect of course to all who disagree with me. but let us think about it, why someone will think to end his life?
he must facing difficulties in his life that he thinks it's impossible to be solved.

then there is another point we should shed the light to it, when they die themselves they are hurting those people who care about them and need them.

i think we should not be selfish and life is a good gift from God, that we should know how to invest it the right investment in what benefit the humanity.

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Guest » Sat May 07, 2005 8:39 am

Pearla wrote:

I think God gave us the right to live for a wisdom that he know it, so i think he's the only one who can take our souls and pass us away, so no one can really end his life by himselfe and say it's my right i dont want to live. ok, who gave you this right to live ? it's God, or it was possible for him to pass you away at the minute you born, but he didn't because he planned something for you and give you chance to live to serve the humanity and the earth. personally, i think those who say that they have the right to end their life are sick people who need help with my respect of course to all who disagree with me. but let us think about it, why someone will think to end his life?
Let me tell you what is sick to me. It's sick to me when my parents gave me life and some people knock on my door telling me to believe in God because he/she gave me life. To me it's the most nonsense I have ever heard. I do not believe in God so don't throw "God gives you life" in my face because I will spit it back at ya. I've read religion books and those have sicken me to the bones. It's because of the ~ in their pages. That's why non-religious people make fun of religions by calling their violence as 'holy wars' If you look at the words then you'll understand. Holy and wars are too opposite things. If there is holy, there is no wars because holy is supposed to mean angelic, blessed, clean, faultless, glorified, or spiritual; on the other hand, wars mean bloodshed, fighting, hostilities, killing, fighting, combat, etc. Those two words is a mockery to those who say they're religious, but then go ahead and kill other people. Bunch of hypocrites, I must say.
So if you think people who don't wanna bother others because they know there is no cure to help them or whatever reason to end their life are sick, you should reconsider about people who say 'God bless you' or 'Bless your heart' blah blah blah but do the opposite things to what they say. Those are sick people to me, PERIOD. :evil:

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Shazzam » Tue May 17, 2005 6:26 am

[ 'holy wars' If you look at the words then you'll understand. Holy and wars are too opposite things. If there is holy, there is no wars because holy is supposed to mean angelic, blessed, clean, faultless, glorified, or spiritual; on the other hand, wars mean bloodshed, fighting, hostilities, killing, fighting, combat, etc. Those two words and kill other people. Bunch of hypocrites, I must say.
So if you think people who don't wanna bother others because they know there is no cure to help them or whatever reason to end their life are sick, you should reconsider about people who say 'God bless you' or 'Bless your heart' blah blah blah but do the opposite things to what they say. Those are sick people to me, PERIOD. :evil:[/quote]

My goodness this debate has certainly gone off the rails. How and why does religion come into it with such venem. I mean my goodness. We all have rights! Including freedom of speech without judgment.

Sorry! Maybe I shouldn't express my opinion.

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Guest » Tue May 17, 2005 6:45 am

shazzam1452 wrote: My goodness this debate has certainly gone off the rails. How and why does religion come into it with such venem. I mean my goodness. We all have rights! Including freedom of speech without judgment.

Sorry! Maybe I shouldn't express my opinion.
Are you saying that to people who have said 'God gives me life so he should end it and not anyone'???????

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Shazzam » Tue May 17, 2005 8:59 am

Are you saying that to people who have said 'God gives me life so he should end it and not anyone'???????[/quote]

I'm not saying anything regarding people's religious beliefs one way or another. All I'm saying is that the whole debate seems to being about God (religion; of one description or another; holy wars. etc). I find that the original debate has been lost somewhere. Thats all.

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Guest » Tue May 17, 2005 10:28 am

shazzam1452 wrote: I'm not saying anything regarding people's religious beliefs one way or another. All I'm saying is that the whole debate seems to being about God (religion; of one description or another; holy wars. etc). I find that the original debate has been lost somewhere. Thats all.
Well, I didn't really wanna go into further discussion when some other people were trying to link religion with right to die because to them, other people, were not allowed to end their lives; it'd go against God's creation, but then I had to state my 'holy war' definition because some people who believe in God or tell others who think another different way are sick. I did not know being different or having different opinions than people who believe in God could make me become a sick person. Sometimes, life is a colorful picture to learn about people and your surroundings, ain't it? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: I Dont Agree

Post by Shazzam » Wed May 18, 2005 10:59 am

simplyblessedwithlove wrote:[Well, I didn't really wanna go into further discussion when some other people were trying to link religion with right to die because to them, other people, were not allowed to end their lives; it'd go against God's creation, but then I had to state my 'holy war' definition because some people who believe in God or tell others who think another different way are sick. I did not know being different or having different opinions than people who believe in God could make me become a sick person. :
I never said that I thought you were sick! I don't know where you got that from. I certainly never said that in anything that i wrote. :roll:

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shazzam1452 wrote:
simplyblessedwithlove wrote:[Well, I didn't really wanna go into further discussion when some other people were trying to link religion with right to die because to them, other people, were not allowed to end their lives; it'd go against God's creation, but then I had to state my 'holy war' definition because some people who believe in God or tell others who think another different way are sick. I did not know being different or having different opinions than people who believe in God could make me become a sick person. :
I never said that I thought you were sick! I don't know where you got that from. I certainly never said that in anything that i wrote. :roll:
Not you, sweetie. It was another person whom posted before my post of holy war definition. I was explaining to that person why I thought some persons were sick regardless of having a religion or not.

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Post by Dithzie » Sun May 29, 2005 2:03 pm

That's what free will is for, I personally believe. Every person has a right to die, if he so wishes. It's a matter of choice.
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Being a muslim,

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simplyblessedwithlove wrote:Yes! All personal will should be respected either it's orally wish or documentally wish.

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Being a mulsim , our faith is that, Allah makes the whole universe even the human being is masterpiece with a brain, which have unbelieveable thinking power, has already written the whole life and even the situation of death. nobody can decide the way of death, or can die by their own. Everyone knows the right and wrong doings, so its up to them , whethen they choose write or wrong, .
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I think everyone has his right to end his life

Post by sunnyni » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:00 am

In my opinion, everyone has his right to end his life.
First , Yes ,no one has right to choose his birth. But after his birth, he has all the right of his body and mind. He can bring up his own view to the world, he can do more practice for his health or not and he has right to subscribe his organ to help others.These are all decided by himself. so of cause he has right to end his life for the better life of his relative and lover.
Second,someone may say the people who chose end his life when he face the difficulty is craven. From some aspect, it seems he is , but maybe difference people cherish difference things, such as dignity , passion and faith. Such as some people want to die with dignity , he want beautiful face and body after he die. He don't want to die dingygily. So he chose end his life himself.

So difference people has difference view to death, why do they don't have right even for death.

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Watch this movie

Post by tikay » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:18 pm

Last night I watched and read (subtitles) in Spanish a very good movie, for myself anyway...on this subject and my opinion is not that important on the subject becuase it constantly changes...this is a hard one. Anyway I agree and disagree with a lot of things in the thread so maybe I will add to it after more thought. :idea: it is good to hear (read)the passion about it
(my humble opinion)...bye-4-now

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Post by tikay » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:51 am

UH OH...I was afraid of that...I forgot the name of the movie yesterday....so sorry! If you want to watch it ...see the movie THE SEA INSIDE....very controversial ending, I assure you.
I believe that basically people should have the right to leave the earth...to come and go as they please. But then I am coming from the live and let live generation of the sixties.
so that is just natural for me. I do have to say i have written in here that suicide is selfish ....so i am still undecided about generalities I suppose....it is all about the circumstances.
I highly suggest that movie (The Sea Inside) to any one interested in the subject.
Thanks to the Buddhist fellow who does not believe in godhead...a good thing for me to think about because I have been calling myself Buddhist but I absolutely believe in all Gods and in all Goddess(es)....interesting no?
everyone is so interesting really!

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Post by shokin » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:19 pm

I did not know that many people wondered about their way of dying. :lol:

Let us choose the most ecological way of leaving the living.

But let you think and choose. When you'll be ded, who will know how you did want to die. :lol:

I want to die on 24 June 2060 at 13.57.43. in the middle of Amazonian forest and by a general tumor. I want my body to be burn and the ashes have to be put in equal parts at each cataracts of the Nil. My debts to Wallmart and my goods to WWF. :lol: :twisted: :lol:

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funny boy....

Post by tikay » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:51 pm

I want to die on 24 June 2060 at 13.57.43. in the middle of Amazonian forest and by a general tumor. I want my body to be burn and the ashes have to be put in equal parts at each cataracts of the Nil. My debts to Wallmart and my goods to WWF. :lol: :twisted: :lol:

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that is so cute and funny....
I want to be perhaps smashed by a tree falling in the Brazillan Forest and heavy equipment stops for even one day because of the accident....
or beaten by thugs who when my gashes open realize there are better ways to live life, changing their (horrible) ways when they see the depth of the color of my blood (it is so saturated...so dark red it is almost purple or black)
....or eaten by cannibols because i wondered into their incampment after much exploring in the vicinity...let my soul be relished by people who then go crazy with the force of love...
that lived in this poets heart.
Thanks! (that is better than the boring version given me by the Indian holy man at the courthouse...96 years old, in my sleep...who is that gonna affect?) BIG SMILE. :D :wink:

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american lady....

Post by tikay » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:45 pm

American...born to be a child of the sixties...in Tennessee.

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tikay wrote: Thanks to the Buddhist fellow who does not believe in godhead...a good thing for me to think about because I have been calling myself Buddhist but I absolutely believe in all Gods and in all Goddess(es)....interesting no?
everyone is so interesting really!
You've adapted Buddhism as a second religion of yours, and that's why you still believe in God and stuff. If you were born as a Buddhist or just practice Buddhism, you wouldn't believe in God. Buddhists don't tight themselves to a Creator and live their lives as just to pay their sins or wait for the Judgment Day. We have no Judgment Day. We are not born because of our sins. We are here because of our karma. And our purpose is to reach Nibbana, not to wait for God to judge what we did in our lives. Well, we're not gonna wait since we have no God, anyway.

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Higher than man is his maker

Post by Antti » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:33 am

Man has not right to live as he chooses. He is made to love other people and his Maker. Many do not believe this, and every seeing eye sees the consequences. So man has not right to choose the length of life of himself or of other people. The life be in the hands of the Giver of life..

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Post by tikay » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:45 am

I have adapted every insight to include it in my doctrine of ethical conditioning on myself...karma enters in but sometimes it also leaves...i am like a building with an open door...the library is only part of the make up and the spiritual books are merely there to learn from and for me to adapt...and only when the music room is not the focus for me...or the childrens playroom... or the room of arts and sciences, or of sensual pleasures. :idea: basically I have a self-made religion, based on my own life, which would probably take years to explain...so i dont even try....people are not nearly ready anyway.
I guess it is based on completeness through education, oneness with spirit, and simple life experiences....adapting each moment to find the highest in me...regardless of the actions of the next person.
life is decision, action, event, affect, work, making love, learning and...being...God desires do not exist when there is no separation....just try to be here now...and maybe realise you are your own actual co-creator, along with others who will and have molded and changed you...which is everyone, really.


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where in Italy???

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Post by desertman » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:10 pm

Every man die,but not every man really live.

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Re: hagandaz

Post by vahid » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:39 am

In my opinon this refers to people s attitue toward the next world or whether there is any world beside this world in which we are living or not .
when people die they must answer back whatever they did in the world good or bad doesnot matter .
hence this is a fact if we think before doing something we wont be regret so we wont affrait of daeath . but if we are nutorious (bad- known) we like to die without any problem which is impossible .

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Post by sar » Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:53 am

We don’t own our life, something or somebody else give us life; therefore, we should not make decision in how to live or die, we should leave this process to nature.

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Post by Laxuan » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:30 am

I think nobody want to die so why they need to choose how to die. In any situations, we should struggle to survive.

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Post by sar » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:32 pm

Laxuan wrote:I think nobody want to die so why they need to choose how to die. In any situations, we should struggle to survive.

I am agree, because, death is natural, like life itself.

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Post by Vega » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:57 pm

sar wrote:
Laxuan wrote:I think nobody want to die so why they need to choose how to die. In any situations, we should struggle to survive.

I am agree, because, death is natural, like life itself.
I agree with you absolutely. If someone wanna die, why
need to prevent it, this is his/here decision and only
he/she will responsible before God.

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Post by Sunnypk » Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm

I dont think that people have the right to choose he can't take decision itself. I haven't deepen information about that topic.. but I waana must say that it's all in the hand of God. because someone has said that the iife is too short we should be appreciate the life.

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Post by rodyy » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:31 pm

at first i don;t thing that the peaple have the right to die whatever they want as the human peaple is the pest cruter in the univers to the god every material every animal every thing in the univers is on the human servis after all we come to say i wanna to die just beacous we are abset
second i have somthing to say to the gust how said that he reed the religous books and it made him sick !!!!!!!!!
did you nuderstand really what is written in thes books ?? i don't think so !!!!
if you really reed them and understand it you will find the oppiset of what you get in your mind and it's not the books's wrong that the peaple misunderstand it or that the peaple dosen't work with it it's the peaple fault
iam sorry for beeing so long on you all but realy i was want to say alot of talking to that pearson how got sick from the religous books!!!!!!

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Have a right to die

Post by Lac » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:51 am

Everyone has the right to die. The most important thing is how to die ? Theoretically, we all respect the freedom to choose of every body, every human being, provided that their freedom would not be against with others' interests. There're deaths called "hero" when somebodoy laid down his or her life for the lofty targets. And there're also some deaths not worthy of being heroic.
Some of you said no one really wants to die. To me there're apparently lots of reasons to die for vindicating one's deeds. We dont know clearly which act is right or wrong of death-seeking persons. We absolutely respect their own choice. But at the same time, we should not leave them alone before their mind sprouting the idea of killing by themselves.
Probably that's the reason why many countries do not permit doctors to "give the final favour injection" to the hopeless patients.
Seeking a proper death (martyrs, soldiers in the battlefield...)is synonymous with honor ; yet the courage of persons who have "right to die" ocassionaly is regarded as insaneness when they intentionalyy do it.

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Post by Lac » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:21 am

rodyy wrote:at first i don;t thing that the peaple have the right to die whatever they want as the human peaple is the pest cruter in the univers to the god every material every animal every thing in the univers is on the human servis after all we come to say i wanna to die just beacous we are abset
second i have somthing to say to the gust how said that he reed the religous books and it made him sick !!!!!!!!!
did you nuderstand really what is written in thes books ?? i don't think so !!!!
if you really reed them and understand it you will find the oppiset of what you get in your mind and it's not the books's wrong that the peaple misunderstand it or that the peaple dosen't work with it it's the peaple fault
iam sorry for beeing so long on you all but realy i was want to say alot of talking to that pearson how got sick from the religous books!!!!!!
oh sorry. Your post has so much English mistakes. I can't understand well. Maybe I'm not good at English ?

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Post by rodyy » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:58 pm

lac i don't know if you know english well or not :?
and i don't care if my writ's now righit or wrong becouse iam still learning english 8)
and if you want to tell anybody about his mistake pleas be more gentel :twisted: :twisted:

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Post by hung » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:12 am

Rodee, I dunno understand yer rightin' 2. right it in proper Englis plz. :lol:

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Re: Do people have the right to die how they choose?

Post by FOREVER » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:09 pm

WE CAME TO THIS WORLD WITHOUT ASKING FOR THAT WE MUST THANK OUR CREATOR BECAUSE LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL AND WORTH LIVING........SO OUR LIFE IS NOT ONLY OURS WE CANNOT MAKE AN END TO IT..........
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CREATOR , JUDGEMENT , THEN A NEW LIFE WHICH MAY BE BETTER OR WORSE .........YOU HAVE ALSO TO BELIEVE THAT YOUR LIFE IS NOT YOURS YOU ARE HERE IN THIS WORLD FOR A MISSION TO DO GOOD AND ONLY GOOD..ON THIS PLANET
IN SHORT, I THINK ENDING ONE'S LIFE IS A SELFISH ACT..........

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Re: Do people have the right to die how they choose?

Post by olgav » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:47 pm

gill wrote:
TP wrote:If people have the right to live how they choose, do they also have the right to die how they choose?
absolutely. as we have right to live we have right not to live.
I fully agree with gill, we must have the right of choice for our death

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Re: Do people have the right to die how they choose?

Post by coolg » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:44 am

With all my respect for your beliefs, I fully believe in God. So, I have faith in God's creation and in all his organizations of our lives.

Just my personal point of view :-)

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