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"Marriages" between people of the same sex?

Post by TalkingPoint » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:32 am

Should "marriages" between people of the same sex be permitted?

What do YOU think?
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Post by passionate » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:24 am

good question :D

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Post by ronke » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:01 am

Marriage from the same sex should not be allowed, In the first instance is not Godly .This should not be legalise in any nation.

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Post by ahmedtaha » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:20 am

of coursre not ,in my own point of view i think the marrige concept is much bigger than just making sex , letus ask why people married? the answer would be :-
firstly : to reserve the humanity this a bilogical answer
secondy : to make sex
may be there is another answers but the logical question will be : what life going to be if every body married from his/her sex??

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Post by qlqllu » Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:33 am

in my opinion,it should be legal.

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Post by alsalam » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:33 pm

In my opinion, it must not be legal
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married the same sex

Post by Lac » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:54 am

No, it's completely unacceptable. It's so dangerous to your normal life in terms of scientifically and morally.

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Post by MissLT » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:28 am

Lac wrote:No, it's completely unacceptable. It's so dangerous to your normal life in terms of scientifically and morally.
Please, explain!

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Post by bravo » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:31 pm

I believe that gay marriages must be legalized. It’s their constitutional and human right to create a union with beloved one. Why should they pay for heterosexual conservatism and discomfort? By the way, being married has nothing to do with having sex, it’s a desire to be with someone you love and to spend your lives together!!![/b]

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Re: "Marriages" between people of the same sex?

Post by TearHere » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:23 am

TP wrote:Should "marriages" between people of the same sex be permitted?
i think it's a case-by-case basis.. Like, here in our country, it's not legal, thus it's not permitetd.. possibly because of our religion.. while in other countries, it is acceptable.. the question of whether it should be permitted or not varies from one person to another, a culture to another, a country to another.. in my opinion, whatever it is other people opt.. respect them, we must.. :wink:

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Post by Lac » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:07 am

To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society. But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Actually, why we forbid such unnatural marriage legally and constitutionally ? It might be contradictory to our current views but how can we know in future or a few more years ?
Marriage of the same sex brings no notion of "husband", "wife","dad" "mother", "kids", "uncle", "aunt". It seems to upset all of ordinary conception that has often been recognized as common standard for a happy family.
The topic given by Lenny TRAN is quite wide, not limited and commented in just few messages. The problem is that we should not condemn it as anything horrible like many asian countries have. It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

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Post by MissLT » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:05 pm

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TP wrote:Should "marriages" between people of the same sex be permitted?
i think it's a case-by-case basis.. Like, here in our country, it's not legal, thus it's not permitetd.. possibly because of our religion..
I'm glad you've brough this up. This is something I'm not too fond of religions. They make too many rules under the name of God. "Oh, you can't do this; you can't do that! If you do, you'll be damned." And the Church has too much power because 'they' say only them can ask for salvation from God, and you must speak through them. I mean, is God really that busy that he, himself, can't save every single soul directly? I thought he was omnipotent.........

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Lac wrote: To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
We, humans, like to define things. We like to name everything on this Earth. Even one human to another we must have name for each other. We can't go around saying "hey you!" We think it's confusing and blah blah blah... It's the same for marriage. We made the word; we defined it ourselves. If we could do something like this, we could change it any way we want. Therefore, to what I see marriage can define in any way we want as long as we feel pleased within ourselves. There is no right and wrong definition for marriage. The wrong definition only happens when someone accuses someone else to be out of the norms.
Lac wrote:I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
How can you doubt something is not real when you know nothing about it? And how can you doubt their real love when you know nothing about what real love is? If you did know what real love was, you wouldn't say it this way.
Lac wrote:No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society.
No, the uptight people think it's unnatural.
Lac wrote:But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Well, if this is the case then why are we butting in something that is private?
Lac wrote:It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

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Exactly! Give them what they want is an appropriate solution. It's just a piece of paper, but to some people it's an acceptance of people around them that their relationship is legal. They are committed to each other. And when people look at them, they see a partnership, not just a single person without being tied down for something.

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Post by MissLT » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:31 pm

thanaa wrote: In addition, unless we find a certain difination for whar marriage is ,we will get endless options; for instance, if someone wants to marry his sister, mother, father or even his dog why should not he be able?
If we throw morals away for this case, we're still left with the health. Do you think your child would become normal if you were married to your dad, sister, mother, brother, or even closed cousins? Of course not. We have proofs that genetic diseases and heredity is the reason why we know it's wrong to marry our closed ones. Besides, how could one marry their parents? Have homosexual people tried to marry their parents?

About the dog part, well, in the States there was one teenager who raped a dog. The dog died two after the rape because of internal bleeding. It was not even a sexual contact. It was animal cruelty. How could someone do something like this to an animal we treated as friends?

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Post by Rui » Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:14 pm

my god, LennyeTran... i must say that i agree 100% with what you have been saying on this thread, therefore my opinion its completely irrelevant here because i would be just repeating your words :lol: :lol: :lol:, i would like just to add that when we talk about religion laws we are ruin everything of the best we have in our lives, that is do what they want us to do and not what make us feel well, so... and im sure god only wants to see people love each other without wars and respect everyone thoughts its the only way to get there, but this is an old speech, when we look to tv we can see that the reality its not like that at all, final thought and more related to the thread... if you love someone and want to be with her ot him, for me its completely no sense try to decide if what you are doing its correct or not.

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Post by MissLT » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:39 pm

Rui wrote:and im sure god only wants to see people love each other without wars and respect everyone thoughts its the only way to get there, but this is an old speech, when we look to tv we can see that the reality its not like that at all, final thought and more related to the thread... if you love someone and want to be with her ot him, for me its completely no sense try to decide if what you are doing its correct or not.
Thank you for your support, Rui. I know gay people, therefore, I feel a need to defend for what they wish to have that would harm no other people.

And the bold parts, EXACTLY!

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Post by Lac » Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:35 am

We, humans, like to define things. We like to name everything on this Earth. Even one human to another we must have name for each other. We can't go around saying "hey you!" We think it's confusing and blah blah blah... It's the same for marriage. We made the word; we defined it ourselves. If we could do something like this, we could change it any way we want. Therefore, to what I see marriage can define in any way we want as long as we feel pleased within ourselves. There is no right and wrong definition for marriage. The wrong definition only happens when someone accuses someone else to be out of the norms.

Things always must have a name. If it has no name what would we call it ? Definintion of a name might be objectively or subjectively meaning that could be right to this man but wrong to another. You may define anything you like if you want to be out of the common conventionality. Of course I can define "marriage" to my personal understanding that is contrary to others' thought. Definition gives you nothing except the fact that it proves you to be right or wrong in the logic manner.

I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love". [/quote]
How can you doubt something is not real when you know nothing about it? And how can you doubt their real love when you know nothing about what real love is? If you did know what real love was, you wouldn't say it this way.


i doubt so i am willing to question . It's the logic. I am unware of something, or more exactly, suspicious of something so i need more information about that. There's also one thing to be noted is that before putting a question, one must have a preconception related to the matter involved. You do know what the real love is so you ask how it could be understood in any other way.
Lac wrote:No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society.
No, the uptight people think it's unnatural.

Evidence, please ?


Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private. [/quote]
Well, if this is the case then why are we butting in something that is private?

Oh, you know, nothing private is without being argued and discussed ?

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Lac wrote: Things always must have a name. If it has no name what would we call it ? Definintion of a name might be objectively or subjectively meaning that could be right to this man but wrong to another. You may define anything you like if you want to be out of the common conventionality. Of course I can define "marriage" to my personal understanding that is contrary to others' thought. Definition gives you nothing except the fact that it proves you to be right or wrong in the logic manner.
Why must things have a name? If I don't feel like to name things I like, I won't, right?
Lac wrote:i doubt so i am willing to question . It's the logic. I am unware of something, or more exactly, suspicious of something so i need more information about that. There's also one thing to be noted is that before putting a question, one must have a preconception related to the matter involved. You do know what the real love is so you ask how it could be understood in any other way.
There is no other way for real love. If it's real love, it's real love. The moment you question about real love, that's the moment you show you know nothing about it. Real love doesn't exist in just between a man and a woman. It's love. It could happen to everyone and to anything. It's because it doesn't happen between a man and a woman, it doesn't count as real love?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
Lac wrote:Evidence, please ?
The Church has been trying to condemn it. They even go further saying it's against what God created on this Earth blah blah blah. Need more information?
Lac wrote:Oh, you know, nothing private is without being argued and discussed ?
If it's PRIVATE, it should be argued and discussed by peole who are in the case. Not you, me, or anyone else who is not involved. That's what privacy means.

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LennyeTran wrote: ..I mean, is God really that busy that he, himself, can't save every single soul directly? I thought he was omnipotent.........
may i ask what your religion is?..if you don't mind..see,. you believe in whatever you believe in, i believe in mine, i've realized this just recently.. people of different religions do not really get to agree with each other.. i mean, that's why i've been preventing from talking about what i believe in because it will just lead me to persuading you to believe me, and i don't want to do that because i'm pretty sure that you are also convinced with what you believe in.. if we try to discuss, it'd be endless..i bet.. plus, i find it hard to put into words the thoughts that i really mean..

bottomline.. it's respect.. i think i know how you feel, i would also sometimes wonder why, say, reincarnation, a Hindu belief, is believed to be true by some people and all that..(not really related :roll: to this topic,..just mentioning..)...

nevertheless, i still stick to my opinion.. :wink:

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TearHere wrote: reincarnation, a Hindu belief, is believed to be true by some people and all that..(not really related :roll: to this topic,..just mentioning..)...

nevertheless, i still stick to my opinion.. :wink:
From what I see, read, and learn about history of religions, the Church forbids the idea of reincarnation because it's a dangerous idea. If one believed in that idea, that person would no longer believe in the Church; the Church would no longer have the power over people.

Reincarnation means humans could come back from one life after another to pay for his karma and to perfect himself. Karma and dogma are two things would tight a human into reincarnation. Therefore, if one didn't do anything good in his previous life, he could come back again as someone or something to repay the debt he owed. After that, he would get to move on being something else.

If this is the case, people wouldn't need salvation from the Church. People would be in direct with God and their own faith. They don't have to go through the Church, talk to the priests, etc. to ask for forgiveness. And the whole idea of Jesus as savior, the Judgment Day, etc. would fall. See, it is a really dangerous idea for the Church.

For the future of the Church and Christianity reincarnation and other things have to be forbbiden. If they can't get a benefit from something, it wouldn't be allowed. Same thing for homosexuals. Who knows what Jesus or God would think, right? Christians said Jesus died for ALL sins, which means including heterosexuals AND homosexuals. However, there are maybe many things that I don't know why the Church go against the idea of God is all loving and caring for humankind to forbid their marriages. And I'm gonna find out....

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Post by Norshan » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:35 pm

ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !!

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Post by MissLT » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:17 pm

Norshan wrote:ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !!
So, you think that there's no sexual orientation of one species to another species of the same sex happening animals? :?

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Post by TearHere » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:42 am

Norshan wrote:ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !!
hi there... you said that it is not allowed in any religion.. i'm just wondering if you had any basis?.. see.. i have read an article about homosexuality.. and it says.. Not all world religions have a problem with homosexuality; many sects of Buddhism, for example, celebrate gay relationships freely and would like to have the authority to make them legal marriages.. ( http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm )..

..i've been contemplating on this homosexuality issue recently having read the pro's side..
LennyeTran wrote: Christians said Jesus died for ALL sins, which means including heterosexuals AND homosexuals. However, there are maybe many things that I don't know why the Church go against the idea of God is all loving and caring for humankind to forbid their marriages. And I'm gonna find out....
right..i'm a christian. and like you, i'm finding out things a step at a time. what's nice about talking about this homosexuality issue is that, we get to open our minds to different views of different peoples. my religion and ethics teacher and I are gonna meet next monday, and this issue is very timely because we are talking about this issues... i'll see what i would be learning.. anyhow, i appreciate your views, it has really helped me in weighing things... and by the way, i also have gay friends, and i respect them too.. :wink:

until next time.

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Post by MissLT » Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:02 am

TearHere wrote:
hi there... you said that it is not allowed in any religion.. i'm just wondering if you had any basis?.. see.. i have read an article about homosexuality.. and it says.. Not all world religions have a problem with homosexuality; many sects of Buddhism, for example, celebrate gay relationships freely and would like to have the authority to make them legal marriages.. ( http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm )..

..i've been contemplating on this homosexuality issue recently having read the pro's side..
Have you ever come across to read this article yet, tearhere? I think it's pretty interesting to open an accurate view for the Buddhists about this issue and how a Buddhist should react upon this problem, you know.

http://www.buddhanet.net/homosexu.htm

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Post by TearHere » Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:35 am

LennyeTran wrote:
TearHere wrote: Have you ever come across to read this article yet, tearhere? I think it's pretty interesting to open an accurate view for the Buddhists about this issue and how a Buddhist should react upon this problem, you know.

http://www.buddhanet.net/homosexu.htm
thanks. it really helped. about the accuracy, i acknowledge my mistake of not finding really precise articles. next will be better, more accurate.

have a nice day.

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TearHere wrote: thanks. it really helped. about the accuracy, i acknowledge my mistake of not finding really precise articles. next will be better, more accurate.

have a nice day.
What I meant by accurate was that even within Buddhists, we still have our differences about this view. Most people in my family think this is a sin although we are Buddhists. And a lot of Buddhists in Vietnam I know think the same way. I think it's a part of the culture we're raised in that leads them to this point. To me, they've gone against what a real Buddhist should think and react. Therefore, it's nice to me to have this article from Buddhist site for Buddhists. It's more convincing.

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Post by Norshan » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:03 am

So, you think that there's no sexual orientation of one species to another species of the same sex happening animals? :?[/quote]
ofcourse there is not between the same sex !! :shock:
may i know how old are you lennytran?

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Post by Norshan » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:38 am

Hi TearHere..do you think an article is a basis ?! from where this article? my religion is islam..and it is not allowed in islam..ofcourse i've basis from quraan..and m sure that it is not allowed in christian!! try to search in the oppesite side for this issue..and then i wanna know your opinion plz..

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Norshan wrote: ofcourse there is not between the same sex !! :shock:
may i know how old are you lennytran?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... nimal.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_an ... l_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals


And what does my age have anything to do with this topic, I may ask?

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Post by Norshan » Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:17 pm

Hi LennyeTran..nothing i just wanted to know if you r studying in school or in uni. or may be working..thats it !!
never mind if you don't wanna tell me your age..no problem..
what do you think about your question to me?

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Norshan wrote: what do you think about your question to me?
Read the links and enlighten yourself with the scientific facts of life. :wink:

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Post by kitshen » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:02 pm

well,in fact,i think everyone has the rights to choose the life by himself.According to this question,i think "marriges"between the same sex is acceptable.It should be legal because we should respect these people's own choice.although i won't do this,hehe~ 8)

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Post by Norshan » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:47 am

thanks LennyeTran..i enlighten myself..so what?!
do you wanna humans be and do like animals ?! our god makes many differents between humans and animals..so we are humans and must behave as humans !!

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Norshan wrote:thanks LennyeTran..i enlighten myself..so what?!
do you wanna humans be and do like animals ?! our god makes many differents between humans and animals..so we are humans and must behave as humans !!
If you had enlightened yourself with the scientific facts of life, then you should have known that homosexuality was a common thing within animal species. This is not something unnatural to get all grossed out and prejudiced about. So what if we are humans? I must remind you that humans are just one species in the classification of animal kingdom as like other animals. Some people behave even worse than animals, so don't sit there and get all superior and narrow-minded about things around you.

Well, believing in a religion is good; however, if a religion tells you that something is bad and you should be against it, for example, homosexuality, then you should question it yourself. "Love the humankind; love thy neighbors" et cetera is a basic rule in any of the holy books. Does that rule only apply on heterosexuals? And why some people live their lives different than yours can't get treated the same when they're just as humans as you are??? What gives you the right to get all supreme to judge their love is wrong?

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Post by TearHere » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:41 am

LennyeTran wrote:

Well, believing in a religion is good; however, if a religion tells you that something is bad and you should be against it, for example, homosexuality, then you should question it yourself. "Love the humankind; love thy neighbors" et cetera is a basic rule in any of the holy books. Does that rule only apply on heterosexuals? And why some people live their lives different than yours can't get treated the same when they're just as humans as you are??? What gives you the right to get all supreme to judge their love is wrong?
i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..

so i've realised that it applies with homos as well..as long as they do not hurt or harm other people there's no reason for me to judge 'em (though i admit before, i had a preconceived opinion about this issue, now the picture is quite clear.. thanks to some people :wink: ..)

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Post by MissLT » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:10 am

TearHere wrote:
i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..
I'm sorry I don't quite understand this part. :?

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Post by TearHere » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:02 am

LennyeTran wrote:
TearHere wrote:
i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..
I'm sorry I don't quite understand this part. :?
what about it.. as in everything?.. i explain really bad.. :roll: i know..
anyway.. that's what she told me..see my classmate raised a Q about God forgiving homos.. and that's what she said..

oh i kind of see my fault now..was it the "so i realized that it applies to homos as well..." phrase that confused you and what my upper statement had to do with it??..
gosh i'm lost.. really bad bad english..

or did you mean by "I don't quite understand this part" is for me to explain the statement?...

sorry... i'm slow for the moment..... :oops:

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Post by MissLT » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:49 pm

Oh, I meant what did you mean by he wants to be changed? I was confused by that part. Sorry, I forgot to bold that part.

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Post by TearHere » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:03 am

LennyeTran wrote:Oh, I meant what did you mean by he wants to be changed? I was confused by that part. Sorry, I forgot to bold that part.
oh that...he doesn't want us to do such things... oh gosh.. still can't get it?.. nevermind..heheh..

gotta go.. my computer addict brotheeeeerrrr is gona take over :evil: oohh.. how i hate it when i have to let him use the pc.. but i just can't say no either... :evil:

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Re: Marriage of the same sex

Post by tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:23 am

Lac wrote:To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society. But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Actually, why we forbid such unnatural marriage legally and constitutionally ? It might be contradictory to our current views but how can we know in future or a few more years ?
Marriage of the same sex brings no notion of "husband", "wife","dad" "mother", "kids", "uncle", "aunt". It seems to upset all of ordinary conception that has often been recognized as common standard for a happy family.
The topic given by Lenny TRAN is quite wide, not limited and commented in just few messages. The problem is that we should not condemn it as anything horrible like many asian countries have. It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

Lac

I have made bold the two statements you made that bother me the most, at the moment and italisized the one that made me laugh the most....and I must add that you have answered it perhaps by a freudian [sic] slip ...with "of course" immediately beginning your next sentence...very cute! But then I am so sleepy I must be getting hysterical...
In my sometimes flawed opinion...your first problem is the very suspicion of the love between two human beings who have the same sort of heart as any other human...tell me how could they love any differently?
If they have found a way to cheat their hearts and love the ones they do not feel love for while forgetting the love they feel for the same sex ...well now that would be a great scientific discovery! Right? It would be like cheating death!
And before turning in I must say that you have it all wrong about the family bit....but then you wouldnt know that unless you had spent time with all your gay friends and family members as I have... there is the same exact sort of dynamic of which you speak, it is just that the aunties might be men and the uncles women...and the like.
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Post by tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:36 am

[quote="Norshan"]ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !![/quote]



Tikay:
Did you know that God has created...for those who believe in God.... that fish exist, who will actually change their sex....now tell me why why would a dissapproving God do this? What on earth could it mean? Also has everyone forgotten about such things as the hermaphrodite?
I am being a bit too catty maybe but I am very tired...yet I can't stop reading the posts.

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Post by tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:52 am

baby_love wrote:i think it's legal. :D U only feel happy when u get married to him/her who u love.Lesbians or gays are also people.Everyone should be respected

PEOPLE! EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED!

Thats it...I propose a scientific research for all who do not understand about gay people and lesbian people....get a few at least as friends to learn things, strait from these true experts on their lives! When you have some friends like this you may qualify for an unbiased an intelligent opinion.
Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
I love my friends who are real enough to question the status quo. Good subject LennyeTran! :wink:

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Post by TearHere » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:49 am

tikay wrote: Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
i once acted like a sheep, but as i grow older, i learned that there really is more to life than whatever is taught to me.. the italicised statement..i agree and alot of things i have realised and learned, i discovered them by myself. i never thought of joining forums like this, but you learn, unlearn and re-learn..and there are things we need to unlearn right..? i was able to discover so many things through this.... i guess it's part of growing up.. :D at home, i'm not afraid to speak my mind anymore, and i discovered that it was okay to have your stand and speak for it....it feels so good.. :D

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Post by tikay » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:20 am

thats it! growing up comes to everyone at different stages and we all have to unlearn as much as we have to learn !!! WOW excellant point!

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Post by Norshan » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:26 am

hi tikay..sorry bt i didn't got ur idea !!

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Post by tikay » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:38 am

when I was replying to you I wanted to point out that there are such things on this Earth as the hermaphrodite which is a person who has two sexes combined and then there are even fish that can switch their sexual organs at a point in their lives...I have seen this in a scientific show about the sexes...the fish will be one sex then they change to be the opposite sex...so I was just saying that as for God...how can man truly know what God had in mind, if you are a spiritual person...just ask yourself why these things would be happening...and especially this...why do these people love the same sex person sexually if God would not want it...why would God create something that God would dispise, in the first place?

Is that better? For my explanation?

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Post by desertman » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:04 pm

Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.

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Post by tikay » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:23 pm

There are so many different potential responses for that suggestion so it is very vague as to what you are meaning to convey...are you saying that the average person, loving their son will accept wholely the idea...or reject completely the idea or something that is possibly way more complex would happen in this scenario?
I suggest that the responses to this situation are as vast and as various as the individual who is facing such a situation.

You answer does not let us know anything clear about how you yourself would deal with this even.... so can you go pro or con?

I think you are saying you would be the accepting/loving kind of parent but I am not sure.

I will say that having three sons of recent dating/marriage ages, this potential is so real for me and I know my answer....sad but complete loving motherly acceptance, and not sad for their choice of lover/lifestyle and mate, but sad because there are so many who be unaccepting of their love as shown in here.

Sad for them ...that it is a sometimes hard road to travel, but we all have rocky places, and I will accept they will have the stregnth to carry them through their lives and be rewarded for their authenticity in love.

I will love the partner of any of my four offspring.... accepting them as human gifts from the same universal force of energy, that creates all the choices...that one can possibly decide to imagine or act on in this world. I will only have to worry a bit more for thier safety among certain beasts, known as men of ignorance.

I hope that my sons and daughter... will be brave enough to explore love as I have, and decide what they really need from love. If it is a person of their very own sex...is it not wonderful and good that they had the courage to find out?
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Post by MissLT » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:48 am

desertman wrote:Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.
If my son was just a little kid, I would laugh about it. If he was an adult, I would tell him to think twice before getting married with ANYONE. Marriage is not a game; you can't just press the reset button when you have come to a dead end for another round.

I would not care who he would marry to as long as he was happy. As a parent, you should consider your children's happiness over your fear of homosexuals. If you, yourself, think your children should not get married to homosexuals because it is wrong, then you're being too selfish. What is wrong to you doesn't mean it would be wrong to others. And by all means, marrying to a homosexual is nothing wrong!

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