"Marriages" between people of the same sex?

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Postby MissLT » Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:38 pm

Norshan wrote:what do you think about your question to me?

Read the links and enlighten yourself with the scientific facts of life. :wink:

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Postby kitshen » Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:02 pm

well,in fact,i think everyone has the rights to choose the life by himself.According to this question,i think "marriges"between the same sex is acceptable.It should be legal because we should respect these people's own choice.although i won't do this,hehe~ 8)

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Postby Norshan » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:47 am

thanks LennyeTran..i enlighten myself..so what?!
do you wanna humans be and do like animals ?! our god makes many differents between humans and animals..so we are humans and must behave as humans !!

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Postby MissLT » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:01 pm

Norshan wrote:thanks LennyeTran..i enlighten myself..so what?!
do you wanna humans be and do like animals ?! our god makes many differents between humans and animals..so we are humans and must behave as humans !!

If you had enlightened yourself with the scientific facts of life, then you should have known that homosexuality was a common thing within animal species. This is not something unnatural to get all grossed out and prejudiced about. So what if we are humans? I must remind you that humans are just one species in the classification of animal kingdom as like other animals. Some people behave even worse than animals, so don't sit there and get all superior and narrow-minded about things around you.

Well, believing in a religion is good; however, if a religion tells you that something is bad and you should be against it, for example, homosexuality, then you should question it yourself. "Love the humankind; love thy neighbors" et cetera is a basic rule in any of the holy books. Does that rule only apply on heterosexuals? And why some people live their lives different than yours can't get treated the same when they're just as humans as you are??? What gives you the right to get all supreme to judge their love is wrong?

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Postby TearHere » Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:41 am

LennyeTran wrote:

Well, believing in a religion is good; however, if a religion tells you that something is bad and you should be against it, for example, homosexuality, then you should question it yourself. "Love the humankind; love thy neighbors" et cetera is a basic rule in any of the holy books. Does that rule only apply on heterosexuals? And why some people live their lives different than yours can't get treated the same when they're just as humans as you are??? What gives you the right to get all supreme to judge their love is wrong?


i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..

so i've realised that it applies with homos as well..as long as they do not hurt or harm other people there's no reason for me to judge 'em (though i admit before, i had a preconceived opinion about this issue, now the picture is quite clear.. thanks to some people :wink: ..)

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Postby MissLT » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:10 am

TearHere wrote:
i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..

I'm sorry I don't quite understand this part. :?

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Postby TearHere » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:02 am

LennyeTran wrote:
TearHere wrote:
i've realized this.. in my religion, my teacher told me that, God doesn't hate people, it's what they do(bad things and the like..) that he wants to be changed..

I'm sorry I don't quite understand this part. :?


what about it.. as in everything?.. i explain really bad.. :roll: i know..
anyway.. that's what she told me..see my classmate raised a Q about God forgiving homos.. and that's what she said..

oh i kind of see my fault now..was it the "so i realized that it applies to homos as well..." phrase that confused you and what my upper statement had to do with it??..
gosh i'm lost.. really bad bad english..

or did you mean by "I don't quite understand this part" is for me to explain the statement?...

sorry... i'm slow for the moment..... :oops:

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Postby MissLT » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:49 pm

Oh, I meant what did you mean by he wants to be changed? I was confused by that part. Sorry, I forgot to bold that part.

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Postby TearHere » Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:03 am

LennyeTran wrote:Oh, I meant what did you mean by he wants to be changed? I was confused by that part. Sorry, I forgot to bold that part.


oh that...he doesn't want us to do such things... oh gosh.. still can't get it?.. nevermind..heheh..

gotta go.. my computer addict brotheeeeerrrr is gona take over :evil: oohh.. how i hate it when i have to let him use the pc.. but i just can't say no either... :evil:

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Re: Marriage of the same sex

Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:23 am

Lac wrote:To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society. But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Actually, why we forbid such unnatural marriage legally and constitutionally ? It might be contradictory to our current views but how can we know in future or a few more years ?
Marriage of the same sex brings no notion of "husband", "wife","dad" "mother", "kids", "uncle", "aunt". It seems to upset all of ordinary conception that has often been recognized as common standard for a happy family.
The topic given by Lenny TRAN is quite wide, not limited and commented in just few messages. The problem is that we should not condemn it as anything horrible like many asian countries have. It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

Lac



I have made bold the two statements you made that bother me the most, at the moment and italisized the one that made me laugh the most....and I must add that you have answered it perhaps by a freudian [sic] slip ...with "of course" immediately beginning your next sentence...very cute! But then I am so sleepy I must be getting hysterical...
In my sometimes flawed opinion...your first problem is the very suspicion of the love between two human beings who have the same sort of heart as any other human...tell me how could they love any differently?
If they have found a way to cheat their hearts and love the ones they do not feel love for while forgetting the love they feel for the same sex ...well now that would be a great scientific discovery! Right? It would be like cheating death!
And before turning in I must say that you have it all wrong about the family bit....but then you wouldnt know that unless you had spent time with all your gay friends and family members as I have... there is the same exact sort of dynamic of which you speak, it is just that the aunties might be men and the uncles women...and the like.
Good night! and Good Luck!

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Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:36 am

[quote="Norshan"]ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !![/quote]



Tikay:
Did you know that God has created...for those who believe in God.... that fish exist, who will actually change their sex....now tell me why why would a dissapproving God do this? What on earth could it mean? Also has everyone forgotten about such things as the hermaphrodite?
I am being a bit too catty maybe but I am very tired...yet I can't stop reading the posts.

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Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:52 am

baby_love wrote:i think it's legal. :D U only feel happy when u get married to him/her who u love.Lesbians or gays are also people.Everyone should be respected



PEOPLE! EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED!

Thats it...I propose a scientific research for all who do not understand about gay people and lesbian people....get a few at least as friends to learn things, strait from these true experts on their lives! When you have some friends like this you may qualify for an unbiased an intelligent opinion.
Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
I love my friends who are real enough to question the status quo. Good subject LennyeTran! :wink:

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Postby TearHere » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:49 am

tikay wrote:Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.


i once acted like a sheep, but as i grow older, i learned that there really is more to life than whatever is taught to me.. the italicised statement..i agree and alot of things i have realised and learned, i discovered them by myself. i never thought of joining forums like this, but you learn, unlearn and re-learn..and there are things we need to unlearn right..? i was able to discover so many things through this.... i guess it's part of growing up.. :D at home, i'm not afraid to speak my mind anymore, and i discovered that it was okay to have your stand and speak for it....it feels so good.. :D

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Postby tikay » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:20 am

thats it! growing up comes to everyone at different stages and we all have to unlearn as much as we have to learn !!! WOW excellant point!

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Postby Norshan » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:26 am

hi tikay..sorry bt i didn't got ur idea !!

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Postby tikay » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:38 am

when I was replying to you I wanted to point out that there are such things on this Earth as the hermaphrodite which is a person who has two sexes combined and then there are even fish that can switch their sexual organs at a point in their lives...I have seen this in a scientific show about the sexes...the fish will be one sex then they change to be the opposite sex...so I was just saying that as for God...how can man truly know what God had in mind, if you are a spiritual person...just ask yourself why these things would be happening...and especially this...why do these people love the same sex person sexually if God would not want it...why would God create something that God would dispise, in the first place?

Is that better? For my explanation?

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Postby desertman » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:04 pm

Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.

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Postby tikay » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:23 pm

There are so many different potential responses for that suggestion so it is very vague as to what you are meaning to convey...are you saying that the average person, loving their son will accept wholely the idea...or reject completely the idea or something that is possibly way more complex would happen in this scenario?
I suggest that the responses to this situation are as vast and as various as the individual who is facing such a situation.

You answer does not let us know anything clear about how you yourself would deal with this even.... so can you go pro or con?

I think you are saying you would be the accepting/loving kind of parent but I am not sure.

I will say that having three sons of recent dating/marriage ages, this potential is so real for me and I know my answer....sad but complete loving motherly acceptance, and not sad for their choice of lover/lifestyle and mate, but sad because there are so many who be unaccepting of their love as shown in here.

Sad for them ...that it is a sometimes hard road to travel, but we all have rocky places, and I will accept they will have the stregnth to carry them through their lives and be rewarded for their authenticity in love.

I will love the partner of any of my four offspring.... accepting them as human gifts from the same universal force of energy, that creates all the choices...that one can possibly decide to imagine or act on in this world. I will only have to worry a bit more for thier safety among certain beasts, known as men of ignorance.

I hope that my sons and daughter... will be brave enough to explore love as I have, and decide what they really need from love. If it is a person of their very own sex...is it not wonderful and good that they had the courage to find out?
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Postby MissLT » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:48 am

desertman wrote:Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.

If my son was just a little kid, I would laugh about it. If he was an adult, I would tell him to think twice before getting married with ANYONE. Marriage is not a game; you can't just press the reset button when you have come to a dead end for another round.

I would not care who he would marry to as long as he was happy. As a parent, you should consider your children's happiness over your fear of homosexuals. If you, yourself, think your children should not get married to homosexuals because it is wrong, then you're being too selfish. What is wrong to you doesn't mean it would be wrong to others. And by all means, marrying to a homosexual is nothing wrong!

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Postby ahmads » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:24 am

Actualy this topic is very long to read,, but it is very interesting.
I think it is very bad idea if man marries man or women marries woman:
I won't talk about religion because there are many people who you can not convince them by religion .
so ..
I think this action is OPPOSITE the nature.
we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself


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