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Re: Marriage of the same sex

Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:23 am

Lac wrote:To my personal view, its's entirely uncacceptable in any society.
The term "marriage" is often defined as the combination between two opposite sex. It means that it claims two different elements modified or complemented together for having the following consequences. Talking about "marriage", one frequently thinks about love, delivery, family, duty etc...
I am suspicious of a real love in the marrage of the same sex. Do they have anything offered together? Do they come with each other through a real love ? Of course they themselves - gay, lesbians- might have lots of reasons to explain their actions as well as the meaning of "real love".
No bad consequences have been found scientifically from marriage of the same sex. It's just regarded as something unusual in a morden society. But some developed countires approved it officially, and people looks tolerant towards such couples involved. Sex story is a quite private thing and which way to choose in marriage is also private.
Actually, why we forbid such unnatural marriage legally and constitutionally ? It might be contradictory to our current views but how can we know in future or a few more years ?
Marriage of the same sex brings no notion of "husband", "wife","dad" "mother", "kids", "uncle", "aunt". It seems to upset all of ordinary conception that has often been recognized as common standard for a happy family.
The topic given by Lenny TRAN is quite wide, not limited and commented in just few messages. The problem is that we should not condemn it as anything horrible like many asian countries have. It is neccessary to have an appropriate resolution to it rather than expressing morally disapprovals against it.

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I have made bold the two statements you made that bother me the most, at the moment and italisized the one that made me laugh the most....and I must add that you have answered it perhaps by a freudian [sic] slip ...with "of course" immediately beginning your next sentence...very cute! But then I am so sleepy I must be getting hysterical...
In my sometimes flawed opinion...your first problem is the very suspicion of the love between two human beings who have the same sort of heart as any other human...tell me how could they love any differently?
If they have found a way to cheat their hearts and love the ones they do not feel love for while forgetting the love they feel for the same sex ...well now that would be a great scientific discovery! Right? It would be like cheating death!
And before turning in I must say that you have it all wrong about the family bit....but then you wouldnt know that unless you had spent time with all your gay friends and family members as I have... there is the same exact sort of dynamic of which you speak, it is just that the aunties might be men and the uncles women...and the like.
Good night! and Good Luck!

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Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:36 am

[quote="Norshan"]ofcourse it should not be allowed at all and even to think about it !! first of all coz it is not allowed in any religion and god has a wisdom to allow or not allow things even if we don"t know why it is allowed or not!! and when we think about it..it is something strange !! coz everything in our life is male and female..animals,plants,humans..there is a balance in our life so why we wanna destroy it !![/quote]



Tikay:
Did you know that God has created...for those who believe in God.... that fish exist, who will actually change their sex....now tell me why why would a dissapproving God do this? What on earth could it mean? Also has everyone forgotten about such things as the hermaphrodite?
I am being a bit too catty maybe but I am very tired...yet I can't stop reading the posts.

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Postby tikay » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:52 am

baby_love wrote:i think it's legal. :D U only feel happy when u get married to him/her who u love.Lesbians or gays are also people.Everyone should be respected



PEOPLE! EVERYONE SHOULD BE RESPECTED!

Thats it...I propose a scientific research for all who do not understand about gay people and lesbian people....get a few at least as friends to learn things, strait from these true experts on their lives! When you have some friends like this you may qualify for an unbiased an intelligent opinion.
Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.
I love my friends who are real enough to question the status quo. Good subject LennyeTran! :wink:

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Postby TearHere » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:49 am

tikay wrote:Too many people take whatever they are taught to heart, questioning none of it deepy. These people do not seem to mind...acting like sheep. It is time to question any theory that does not seem quite right.


i once acted like a sheep, but as i grow older, i learned that there really is more to life than whatever is taught to me.. the italicised statement..i agree and alot of things i have realised and learned, i discovered them by myself. i never thought of joining forums like this, but you learn, unlearn and re-learn..and there are things we need to unlearn right..? i was able to discover so many things through this.... i guess it's part of growing up.. :D at home, i'm not afraid to speak my mind anymore, and i discovered that it was okay to have your stand and speak for it....it feels so good.. :D

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Postby tikay » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:20 am

thats it! growing up comes to everyone at different stages and we all have to unlearn as much as we have to learn !!! WOW excellant point!

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Postby Norshan » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:26 am

hi tikay..sorry bt i didn't got ur idea !!

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Postby tikay » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:38 am

when I was replying to you I wanted to point out that there are such things on this Earth as the hermaphrodite which is a person who has two sexes combined and then there are even fish that can switch their sexual organs at a point in their lives...I have seen this in a scientific show about the sexes...the fish will be one sex then they change to be the opposite sex...so I was just saying that as for God...how can man truly know what God had in mind, if you are a spiritual person...just ask yourself why these things would be happening...and especially this...why do these people love the same sex person sexually if God would not want it...why would God create something that God would dispise, in the first place?

Is that better? For my explanation?

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Postby desertman » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:04 pm

Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.

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Postby tikay » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:23 pm

There are so many different potential responses for that suggestion so it is very vague as to what you are meaning to convey...are you saying that the average person, loving their son will accept wholely the idea...or reject completely the idea or something that is possibly way more complex would happen in this scenario?
I suggest that the responses to this situation are as vast and as various as the individual who is facing such a situation.

You answer does not let us know anything clear about how you yourself would deal with this even.... so can you go pro or con?

I think you are saying you would be the accepting/loving kind of parent but I am not sure.

I will say that having three sons of recent dating/marriage ages, this potential is so real for me and I know my answer....sad but complete loving motherly acceptance, and not sad for their choice of lover/lifestyle and mate, but sad because there are so many who be unaccepting of their love as shown in here.

Sad for them ...that it is a sometimes hard road to travel, but we all have rocky places, and I will accept they will have the stregnth to carry them through their lives and be rewarded for their authenticity in love.

I will love the partner of any of my four offspring.... accepting them as human gifts from the same universal force of energy, that creates all the choices...that one can possibly decide to imagine or act on in this world. I will only have to worry a bit more for thier safety among certain beasts, known as men of ignorance.

I hope that my sons and daughter... will be brave enough to explore love as I have, and decide what they really need from love. If it is a person of their very own sex...is it not wonderful and good that they had the courage to find out?
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Postby MissLT » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:48 am

desertman wrote:Image that one day,your son took one of his classmate who is a boy back to house and said:Hey dad,this is the one i wanna get married.What would you say? And than,you got the answer for the question.

If my son was just a little kid, I would laugh about it. If he was an adult, I would tell him to think twice before getting married with ANYONE. Marriage is not a game; you can't just press the reset button when you have come to a dead end for another round.

I would not care who he would marry to as long as he was happy. As a parent, you should consider your children's happiness over your fear of homosexuals. If you, yourself, think your children should not get married to homosexuals because it is wrong, then you're being too selfish. What is wrong to you doesn't mean it would be wrong to others. And by all means, marrying to a homosexual is nothing wrong!

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Postby ahmads » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:24 am

Actualy this topic is very long to read,, but it is very interesting.
I think it is very bad idea if man marries man or women marries woman:
I won't talk about religion because there are many people who you can not convince them by religion .
so ..
I think this action is OPPOSITE the nature.
we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself

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Postby MissLT » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:04 pm

ahmads wrote:I think this action is OPPOSITE the nature.
we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself

This reason is invalid. The whole population won't turn homosexuals that is something I know for sure. Some people are straight, some are gays, and some are bisexuals. Why would everyone turn gay if homsexual people could get married? I know gay people. I like them. I think they should deserve to be heard. However, it doesn't mean I will turn gay.

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Postby CravinFood » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:41 pm

we have a question now?
Why do humans marry?
The main reason is :
SAVE HUMAN RACE FROM extinction
and If all women marry women .
and men marry men . we will get a disaster
and this action increases day after day everywhere.
but If you talk about religion mmmm I'll tell you guys that the history return itself
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Is this the only reason humans get married.... ??? They just want to reproduce n keep the human race going???? I dont think so... I married someone because I loved him... I am not ready to have kids yet but even when I do have em I wouldnt do it for the sole purpose of saving the human race from extinction...
Now lets assume, if gay/lesbian marriages are legalized, would you all of a sudden stop loving your partner of opposite sex now? Are you suggesting that law controls our emotions and feelings and that once legal system says its OK for us to get married to the person of same sex, we might just do it..... thats absurd !!!!

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Postby ahmads » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:21 pm

LennyeTran wrote:This reason is invalid. The whole population won't turn homosexuals


good points.
First of all : Certainly the whole population won't turn homosexuals, and do you decide if something is a problem or not by this way?
and you can not wait a problem till erupt , then you try to solve it.
Some people are straight


SEcond of all: For what?
When we see car racing we say: this contestant is
in the road so he is a straight , and this contestant is out of the road so he isn't straight..
so in this example we use the street like a rule to decide if someone is a straight or not.
so.. you said some people are straight !!!can you explain straight for what ? straight on _______!

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Postby ahmads » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:28 pm

CravinFood wrote:
Is this the only reason humans get married.... ??? They just want to reproduce n keep the human race going???? I dont think so... I married someone because I loved him... I am not ready to have kids yet but even when I do have em I wouldnt do it for the sole purpose of saving the human race from extinction...
Now lets assume, if gay/lesbian marriages are legalized, would you all of a sudden stop loving your partner of opposite sex now? Are you suggesting that law controls our emotions and feelings and that once legal system says its OK for us to get married to the person of same sex, we might just do it..... thats absurd !!!!


I didn't say the only reason ,I said the main reason ...and I colored main word by red ,,because I know I will received a question about this word!
And when I said main I think it means that there are another reasons,
But maybe they are less important than the reason I mentioned .
certainly I'll marry a girl who I love . and she'll marry me because she loves me.
and sex is a INSTINCT ,But the question is ?
Are there any rules to carry out this instinct?
and from where we can bring those rules!!!????

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Postby MissLT » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:58 pm

ahmads wrote:
good points.
First of all : Certainly the whole population won't turn homosexuals, and do you decide if something is a problem or not by this way?
and you can not wait a problem till erupt , then you try to solve it.

Read that bold part a hundred times for me. Write it down a hundred times for me. Think about it a hundred times for me. When you've finished doing all these things, then you'll understand your question given to me.

The whole population won't turn homsexuals, you've agreed with me. There will be heteros, homsexuals, and bisexuals. If the whole population CERTAINLY won't turn gays, then what is your point saying that human race will be extinct? Why is it a problem?

ahmads wrote:
Some people are straight


SEcond of all: For what?
When we see car racing we say: this contestant is
in the road so he is a straight , and this contestant is out of the road so he isn't straight..
so in this example we use the street like a rule to decide if someone is a straight or not.
so.. you said some people are straight !!!can you explain straight for what ? straight on _______!

Straight= hetero. Gay, queer, fag, etc= homosexual. Got it? Are you straight? And what do you mean by for what? Why are you straight? Because everyone around you is straight and you can't be gay is that what you're telling me? :?

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Same sex marriage

Postby Profsegarra » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:23 pm

I believe that everyone has the right to do whatever makes them happy :lol:

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same sex

Postby Profsegarra » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:28 pm

I don't know what to say....

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Postby Laxuan » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:00 pm

I think marriage between same sex people should be allowed in all country.when we love someone, we want to talk to them all the day and care for them so why don't we give a gay/lesbian sympathy.
I agree with Profsegarra, let them do what they feel happy about.I want to tell you that because my most closely friend is a gay, he doesnt want to play or talk with any girls.when his parents found out that, they felt offended and didnt think that he's their son any more.Now his friends hate him and I'm also embarassed to meet him but day by day he look more fainted and poor.therefore, I decide to come to meet him and encourage him in order to help him to pass through the sorrow.Afterthat, he try his best to look after homeless children, old people, orphans, etc.finallly, I hope all of you can sympathize with homosexuals
Best wishes to you

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Postby kathymimi » Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:56 am

Why not?

in my opinion, to marry whom is just part of human rights.
each one has his own rights to choose who he loves and who he would like to spend all his life with.

laws usually forbid abnormal marriages such as, a male marries more than one female at the same time or, a female marries more than one male at the same time. but laws do not forbid marraige between two people who are in same sex, such bans are not written in terms, also there are not terms of permission.

but, if there is true love between gays, why do we others forbid it? such relationships are nothing different from those relationships between men and women. they are same. for people who are in love with each other, sex is really not the point they care.

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Postby julka » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:18 am

hi everybody.
marriages between pipl of the same sex is smth rather new in the world. And there will always be thousands of different opinions: some1 saying oh ~, how is it possible, why does our government allows these marriages; some1 says ok it's up to them, why not; and the religious point of view will always be NO. There will be falways pro and con. If you wanna know my opinion, I'am not against, and I'm not 100% for these mattiages. I'll explain why: to me it seem very uncommon. but from the other hand I can understand those pipl (same sex couples) - they do not like people of the opposite sex. In some cases it is because of nature, in others smth else. So what of that? WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE THEM. ONLY GOD IS THEIR GUDGE. if they are happy with each other, why not. Though frankly speaking when i saw Elton Jonh and his fiance wedding, i was touched. That was so lovely, and the same time a bit funny. Two guys, and they are husband and WHO?????
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