People should conform to a country's dress codes.

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Postby Dixie » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:30 pm

areej wrote:muslem women aren't forced to cover their heads and bodies... but Islam considers women such as diamonds..If you have diamonds, you would be covered and placed in a box for fear of theft or the threat of it is precious and valuable .. you Will notes that rape and harassment of women in very rare because of the veil ..also sesters cover their heads and bodies ..Is this is contrary to the culture of your clothes?
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That's what you tell them and make them believe. I just can't understand how they can buy that.

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Postby areej » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:21 pm

dixie i'm girl and i'm wearing aveil without any force from dady , my brothers or societal...
i wore my aviel becase i respect my religion.
Every religion has it's orders and every body must respect his religion's orders.
right or not???

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Postby Dixie » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:31 pm

It's ok that you respect your religion, but does your religion respect you?

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Postby MissLT » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:57 am

Religious rules I'm okay with:
"To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness (refrain from using drugs or alcohol)"
"Honor your father and your mother..."
"Do not murder"
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not steal."
"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
"Do not covet your neighbor's house"

The rest are just bunch of nonsense to me. :roll:

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Postby areej » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:18 pm

i said every religion has it's rules so every body must follow them..if we don't so why are we living ..because our life without rules will departs..
and i respect my religion because my religion respect me when it let me veil on men (except for my brothers , my uncles , my children , my husband , the children my brothers and sisters and all women)
so as not to become like the crossbar only men looking to enjoy the view of my body.
and islam has all rules that respect the human , all other religions and the life .


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Postby Bambang » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:58 am

Dixie wrote:...they must hide their body regardless of the heat...


My friend, life is choices. Whatever the choices, if the person is okay with their choices why we have to mind with that. Some women or girls choose to wear dress which covers their whole body. It's their choice. It's their basic human right. I don't think we have to be extremly curious on that, like asking a question : don't they feel hot or something ?
Hot or not hot it's none of our business. As long as they enjoy wearing it,just fine.

Dixie wrote:I think it's so cruel, ...


My friend, it would be cruel when we force them to dress like we want them to do.

Dixie wrote:...they just stick to their traditions.


My dear friend, we have to differentiate between traditions and religious teachings. To them, they are committing their religious teachings. I think we should appreciate it. They are trying to do their best to serve God. Just let them free committ what they believe.


Dixie wrote:Seeing them makes me feel bad for them.


Honey, why do you have to feel bad while they don't. What a pity you are my honey friend !!!

Dixie wrote:I wouldn't change my European way of dressing if I went to other countries.


That's your basic human right my dear. Just go ahead. Wear whatever you want to as long as it doesn't break the rules of the countries where you are staying in.


Dixie wrote:I dress the way I want, there's nobody telling me I should hide my body or my face or my hair (and if there was, I wouldn't listen! :lol: Who are they to tell me what I should do)..


Bingo. Again, that's the point. Just be yourself my friend. Dress the way you are !!!

Dixie wrote:So, I also think that if I wouldn't change my dressing style, we can't ask them to do it, either.


You yourself say that honey. you're totally right !!!

My last point is :
[size=18]1. Do not force anybody to wear certain dresses.
2. Do not force anybody not to wear certain dressess.[/
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Postby Bambang » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:10 am

HKdude wrote:First, I think there should not be any specific dress codes in any countries. It depends on our own choice. We can dress what we like.


Dixie wrote:Totally agree! I just can't understand why there have to be specific dressing patterns in some countries. I think the clothes you wear are (or should be) a personal choice.


You hit the nail my friends. You got it. It's a matter of choice. If a group of people has specific dresseing codes that's their right to do that. We can't force them not to do it.

A specific dress ???
If they enjoy it, why not !!!


If a country has some certain dressing codes, then the basic principle is the same. Just fine !!!

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Postby Bambang » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:18 am

LennyeTran wrote:I do think there are some cultures that are better than others. For example, I would die before I live in a culture that has people stone others for their adultery. Lucky me, I was born and raised in "better" cultures.


Dixie wrote:I know, Len, and I agree. But I think he meant a very different thing. Just wanted to hear an explanation ;)



Better culture ???
Doing adultry freely is a better culture?
What actually are you trying to say ?

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Postby Bambang » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:33 am

LennyeTran wrote:Religious rules I'm okay with:
"To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness (refrain from using drugs or alcohol)"
"Honor your father and your mother..."
"Do not murder"
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not steal."
"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
"Do not covet your neighbor's house"

The rest are just bunch of nonsense to me. :roll:


Nonsense ??? :evil:
nonsense ??? :evil: :evil:
The rest are just bunch of nonsense to you ? :evil: :evil: :evil:
Really?

Do you think that studying and working hard are in that category?
Do you think that helping others is in that category?
Do you think that being honest in that category?
Do you think that being responsible is in that category?
Do you think that not being hypocrite is in that category?
You name it !!

What actually are trying to say honey ???

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Re: People should conform to a country's dress codes.

Postby Moody » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:58 am

TalkingPoint wrote:People with specific religious dress requirements should conform to the dress codes of the country they live in, however different those dress requirements and cultural codes might be.

What do you think?


If the country we are talking about claims that it is free. It believe and respects the individual human rights. Then its people and laws SHOULD BE CIVILIZED ENOUGH(???) to support the MODERATE APPROCAH of acceptance and respect the "People with specific religious dress requirements"!!!!!
For Example : BY PERSONAL CHOICE Muslim women head scarfs or Sikh Turban. Or Modest Dress code for Muslims which says, for man or women, you CAN WEAR ANY DRESS(FASHIONABLE,REGIONAL,CULTURAL) that shouldn't be very tight, sexually revealing and provoking, including legs, cleavage, buttocks etc.
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Postby Moody » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:01 am

Dixie wrote:This is something I've been asking myself for a long time. Due to immigration, we see Muslim women every day, dressed from head to toes, and now in summer we wonder... Isn't it too hot? Don't they realize it's too hot to dress like that? But I guess they don't, or, if they do, it's not important for them. They were educated that way, they must hide their body regardless of the heat... I think it's so cruel, but at the same time I'm freaked out by the fact that they don't seem to care; they are bound to their countries's sexist rules. They are living in a free society now, where they can dress however they want to, but they just stick to their traditions. Seeing them makes me feel bad for them, because I know why they dress like that, and I don't understand why they don't complain to their husbands or whoever it is that makes them hide their body and suffer from this heat!On the other hand, I am sure I wouldn't change my European way of dressing if I went to other countries, but I think that's different. I dress the way I want, there's nobody telling me I should hide my body or my face or my hair (and if there was, I wouldn't listen! :lol: Who are they to tell me what I should do).

So, I also think that if I wouldn't change my dressing style, we can't ask them to do it, either. Regardless of the difference (we dress the way we want, while they are told how to dress).

I'd like to hear the opinions of other Muslims, please.


If the country we are talking about claims that it is free. It believe and respects the individual human rights. Then its people and laws SHOULD BE CIVILIZED ENOUGH(?) to support the MODERATE APPROCAH of acceptance and respect the "People with specific religious dress requirements"!!!!!
For Example : BY PERSONAL CHOICE Muslim women head scarfs or Sikh Turban. Or Modest Dress code for Muslims which says for man or women, you CAN WEAR ANY DRESS(FASHIONABLE,REGIONAL,CULTURAL) that shouldn't be very tight, sexually revealing and provoking, including legs, cleavage, buttocks etc.
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Postby sure » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:53 pm

bambang wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:Religious rules I'm okay with:
"To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness (refrain from using drugs or alcohol)"
"Honor your father and your mother..."
"Do not murder"
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not steal."
"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor"
"Do not covet your neighbor's house"

The rest are just bunch of nonsense to me. :roll:


Nonsense ??? :evil:
nonsense ??? :evil: :evil:
The rest are just bunch of nonsense to you ? :evil: :evil: :evil:
Really?

Do you think that studying and working hard are in that category?
Do you think that helping others is in that category?
Do you think that being honest in that category?
Do you think that being responsible is in that category?
Do you think that not being hypocrite is in that category?
You name it !!

What actually are trying to say honey ???


Sorry I just want to comment on this...

What LennyeTran tried to point out here are RELIGIOUS RULES which are different from what Bambang was trying to express. Bambang opined more on acts of man/how to be humane, however I know there are more...nevertheless, misunderstandings usually occur when the difference in religion gets in the way... There's no point of debate here, I supposed. Let's just respect each other's opinion...

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Re: People should conform to a country's dress codes.

Postby SNAZZY » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:27 pm

To begin with, here , I wish to recall one of the most famous phrases: 'WHEN YOU'RE IN ROME BE A ROMAN'. No one has got any right to dictate terms to any country particularly if you breach the rule of that country by defying and wearing your own pattern of dress which is not permissable in that country or it is not accepted in that society.Will a lady be permited to have sun bath in her bikini or swim suit in the beaches of Gulf ?The lady can not protest here.Similarly if a muslim lady is objected to wear a veil or a scarf around her neck in an European country she can not protest either.The best solution for this issue is do not go to a country where you can not be the way you want be. Stay back in your own country or still better stay back in your own house. You can be as you wish. Do not show your ignorance by protesting what is not right in that country.
SNAZZY , BANGALORE, INDIA

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Postby Adelaly » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:40 am

Dixie wrote:On the other hand, I am sure I wouldn't change my European way of dressing if I went to other countries, but I think that's different. I dress the way I want, there's nobody telling me I should hide my body or my face or my hair (and if there was, I wouldn't listen! :lol: Who are they to tell me what I should do).


yeah.I can't agree more.I am sure I wouldn't change my European way of dressing,too. {-:

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Re: People should conform to a country's dress codes.

Postby zeplin » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:21 pm

We should be able to wear whatever makes us happy


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