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Postby Dixie » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:37 pm

LennyeTran wrote:Aliens can attack us. Didn't you see the Simpsons? :lol:


You mean alien weapons are more sophisticated that human weapons? :twisted:

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Postby MissLT » Thu May 03, 2007 4:40 pm

Of course. I assume they might have laser guns. Now which one would you prefer, regular guns or laser guns? I think I would choose laser guns. They just sound cooler and more of futuristic.

Besides, not only guns kill people, other objects do a good job as well. Some people get killed by stoning in some countries, remember? And did you see curse of the golden flower? That king whipped his youngest son until the dude stopped breathing.

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Postby jrkp » Thu May 03, 2007 10:22 pm

NOBODY should have a gun or other weapons.


Well, firstly, you should define weapon. As I understand it, a weapon is anything that can hurt anyone, as simple as that. So, if your statement were truth, mankind hasn´t existed because everything in our environment can be used as a weapon, even some parts of our body. For example, if you hit somebody with your head, you might hurt him badly, even you could kill him (ask Zidedine Zidane, the football player, about using the head as a weapon). Or knifes have to be eliminated because anyone can be stabbed, so we should learn to eat with our hands to avoid further aggression with them.

But if you´re talking about firepower (I mean pistol, rifles, etc) that´s another thing. To me, ban guns is an useless measure because we are the most self-destructed being living in this world. I reckon if guns didn´t exist, We would have invented another thing to replace it. I think ideally, everybody who wish to carry a gun have the right to get one, only if he fullfill the laws existing. But, sadly our current laws about it are so lax that every crazy person can get one without any problem, so we must change the laws first before let anyone to carry guns.

To sum up, I think everybody can carry a gun only if laws are changed.

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Postby MissLT » Thu May 03, 2007 10:51 pm

jrkp wrote: we are the most self-destructed being living in this world. I reckon if guns didn´t exist, We would have invented another thing to replace it.

Exactly! It's people who kill people, not the object itself.

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Postby jrkp » Fri May 04, 2007 5:40 pm

LennyeTran wrote:The same guy who invented a gun got killed by it. Talking about the irony! Let's shift the question a bit further back also, should guns be invented in the first place? :roll:


That´s a good question!!! Even though that is the best thing that it would have happened to mankind, I believe that it was inevitable because part of our nature is trying to control everthing around us, and what is the most powerful tool that humans have created to achieve that goal? The answer is of course guns.

Let´s review human history to see what I am talking about. Pre-historic men made a weapons first (a knife) before they had invented the wheel. You will tell me that both are useful, and I agree with that. But in certain point, they nature betrayed them and they started to use that weapon against others humans being, only to feed their ambitions for lands. For me, this situation was wonderfully recreated by Stanley Kurbick, in his movie "2001: An space Odyssey". If you have seen it, you should remember the first chapter, when the ape touched the monolith and got his "intelligence" but instead of using it to help others, he took a piece of bone and started hitting the ones who were different of him. I can give you others examples, but to make my point clear, I think this one is enough.

And as I said in another post, if guns didn´t exist, we would have invented other thing to replace it, or maybe we would have made guns but we would have called it with other name, I don´t know.

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Postby Vinamilk » Sat May 05, 2007 4:32 pm

Actually we cann't say that we don't need weapons... The important thing is that how we control the use of weapon so that crazy guys never have chance to use them

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Lets not stay in the past.

Postby javzm » Mon May 14, 2007 8:29 pm

Guns are already invented, there is nothing we can do to stop it. We should be aware of what could happen not what did happen. :D

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Postby Chet Baker » Tue May 15, 2007 3:10 am

It is necessary to clarify the point that "GUN" itself is no problem, well, of course, unless it is a defective gun. This question is, more or less, similar to the question "is money good or not?"

The problem usually come from the user's motivation. Let say, if a man(A) points a gun at another man(B)with intend to kill him. I guess that many people may think that "A" have a bad intention and he should be stopped. However, If "A" is a police officer and "B", let say, he is a mental patient who is trying to hurt his new born baby. In this situation, I guess that many people may suggest that "B" should be shot instantly.

People carry firearms because they need it, they feel more save when they have it. Ironically, police officer in UK do not carry firearms, but the crime rate is lower than America. :!:

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Postby nboutahar1 » Tue May 15, 2007 4:30 pm

Civilians should not carry guns. With the spread of terrorism and fanatism we should not allow anyone to possess arms because they can be used to kill innocent people. A gun carrier or holder may be an insane person, a drug abuser, a religious fanatic.... We have to, instead, increase the number of policemen and policewomen in every corner to protect people's lives and employ young people because unemployment is one of the main causes for the spread of violence and crimes...
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to have or not to have a gun?

Postby elmy » Wed May 16, 2007 4:31 am

Imagine a gun was never invented, people would never know how to use it, and people would defend themselves through martial arts. What do you think? Artistic?

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Postby Ilzy » Sat May 19, 2007 9:13 pm

Yeah... It is sad thing about humans... All the things they invent originally with good purpose.. later they use against themselves.. Like dynamite.

I firmly belive that wars doesn't make sense at all!!!

I am a graet believer in peace!!!!

I share the opinion that if people would not have weapons they create something else...

Sadly, but fact... :cry:

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GUNS?

Postby Bambang » Sun May 20, 2007 6:57 am

Dear friends.

Every product of technology has two sides : bad sides and good sides, so does a gun.

Guns can be used for good purposes such as to maintain security and order or maintain national defence from being attacked by outsiders. And ideally, they must be held by responsible apparatus.

The next question is " Are civilians entitled for guns ?" The answer is : DEPEND. If they use the guns for good reasons, Why not ? however, if they use it for bad things, they must be forbidden to have one.

In my opinion, as long as they can control themselves in using guns, just go ahead. The most important thing is that before getting a gun, a civilian must follow stricts procedure and process conducted by authorized institutions.

In my country, a civilian who wants to get a gun must follow some tests included technical skill test and phsycological test.

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Postby Bambang » Sun May 20, 2007 7:34 am

Vinamilk wrote:Actually we cann't say that we don't need weapons... The important thing is that how we control the use of weapon so that crazy guys never have chance to use them


Yeah, i agree with you buddy.
The most important thing is controlling not banning because it is everybody's right to have what they want. As long as it is not used for bad things, WHY not ?

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Postby Bambang » Sun May 20, 2007 11:57 am

Hardi wrote:It doesn't matter, if everybody have gun or nobody. The true and greatest weapon is information.


We aren't talking about animals or information, are we?

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Postby Bambang » Sun May 20, 2007 12:04 pm

LennyeTran wrote:The same guy who invented a gun got killed by it. Talking about the irony! Let's shift the question a bit further back also, should guns be invented in the first place? :roll:


We can't stop people from inventing anything. It's a human nature to invent and create something.That's the difference between human beings and other creatures. We, human beings have intelligence and ability to do it. So don't go against human nature. The most important thing is how we can use the advance of technology or invention for the sake of mankind.

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Postby Bambang » Sun May 20, 2007 12:07 pm

Hardi wrote:
Dixie wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:The same guy who invented a gun got killed by it. Talking about the irony! Let's shift the question a bit further back also, should guns be invented in the first place? :roll:


Of course not! I always say that weapons are the worst invention of humanity. Can you imagine a world without weapons?
You mean girls without beauty at all..... Girls without boobs. No I can't.



The problem is not the weapons themselves. But how we, human beings use them for good purposes.

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Postby LTC » Mon May 21, 2007 12:01 pm

bambang wrote:
Vinamilk wrote:Actually we cann't say that we don't need weapons... The important thing is that how we control the use of weapon so that crazy guys never have chance to use them


Yeah, i agree with you buddy.
The most important thing is controlling not banning because it is everybody's right to have what they want. As long as it is not used for bad things, WHY not ?


It depend... Nobody know that when they 'll use it for bad thing. :)


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No Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby popeyevn » Wed May 23, 2007 3:08 pm

I think no one have gun is the best. In fact, in Vietnam, Vietnamese don't have any gun and, our life is peaceful. In Vietnam , from the past to now, there aren't any problem about gun. So, i think no gun, no death and we will have a good life

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Re: No Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Bambang » Thu May 24, 2007 2:30 pm

popeyevn wrote:I think no one have gun is the best. In fact, in Vietnam, Vietnamese don't have any gun and, our life is peaceful. In Vietnam , from the past to now, there aren't any problem about gun. So, i think no gun, no death and we will have a good life



I think u're really wrong. Can you imagine if Vietnamese people had no guns when they were in war with the US? If it had happened, i'm sure that most of vietnamese people would have died. your country could be free from the US invansion because both militery and civilians had guns to fight back. Do you still think that nobody should have a gun?

C'mon man ! Are sure that nobody in your country has a gun. Sorry man, it really doesn't make sense at all to me.

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Re: No Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby MissLT » Thu May 24, 2007 4:00 pm

bambang wrote:
popeyevn wrote:I think no one have gun is the best. In fact, in Vietnam, Vietnamese don't have any gun and, our life is peaceful. In Vietnam , from the past to now, there aren't any problem about gun. So, i think no gun, no death and we will have a good life



I think u're really wrong. Can you imagine if Vietnamese people had no guns when they were in war with the US? If it had happened, i'm sure that most of vietnamese people would have died. your country could be free from the US invansion because both militery and civilians had guns to fight back. Do you still think that nobody should have a gun?

C'mon man ! Are sure that nobody in your country has a gun. Sorry man, it really doesn't make sense at all to me.

They do use guns, but they're not easy to get, even in the black market. That's why they use knives to kill more, which is more of a slow death to me. My cousin's cousin's acquainted friends cut different parts of his body for pleasure after they stabbed him multiple times. It was the worst time his family had to endure.

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Re: No Choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Bambang » Fri May 25, 2007 11:52 am

LennyeTran wrote:
bambang wrote:
popeyevn wrote:I think no one have gun is the best. In fact, in Vietnam, Vietnamese don't have any gun and, our life is peaceful. In Vietnam , from the past to now, there aren't any problem about gun. So, i think no gun, no death and we will have a good life



I think u're really wrong. Can you imagine if Vietnamese people had no guns when they were in war with the US? If it had happened, i'm sure that most of vietnamese people would have died. your country could be free from the US invansion because both militery and civilians had guns to fight back. Do you still think that nobody should have a gun?

C'mon man ! Are sure that nobody in your country has a gun. Sorry man, it really doesn't make sense at all to me.

They do use guns, but they're not easy to get, even in the black market. That's why they use knives to kill more, which is more of a slow death to me. My cousin's cousin's acquainted friends cut different parts of his body for pleasure after they stabbed him multiple times. It was the worst time his family had to endure.



To tell u the truth, I am so sorry for what had happened. But ....

based on your statement, your country and the people really neeeded guns then. Even you had to use knives to fight back. If there had been a lot of guns in Vietnam, the victims would't have been that much.

So actually you agree with me that guns are needed in certain situation, don't you?


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