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East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by wolff » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:11 am

Hello. I guess the headline is clear enough to understand what the point is to be mentioned here.
We all watch news. What has been going on for the last time in my opinion is the beginning of the next war. This time between civilizations. Eastern and Western.

America strikes Islamic terrorism all over the world. Terrorists supported by some countries plan new terracts.(which means hypocrisy, ‘we all fight terror’ some leaders say but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital, Arab countries send them(terrorists) money and weapons) The whole world it seems is on the edge of a total crisis - a new global war.
There is no need to prove it. We all saw how some simple pictures in Danish newspaper lead to confrontation between many countries and even to death of people! Is this normal???

Iran wants to have its own nuclear weapon and in the same time calls for destroying other country, though I’m sure it will strike back by its own nuclear weapon. Shirak said France will use atomic bomb in vengeance to terror attacks and I’m sure he’s not lied! Where are we going??? Can we stop it here?

P.S. Einstein once said if there will be the ww3 – the ww4 will be with sticks and stones. I pray that this will never happen.

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:48 pm

wolff wrote: but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital
Happy Friend! after all I guess now it's my turn to be danyet! :evil: That's not the who-o-ole world, who tries to face two civilizations! Instead of going through all the rows again and again you'd better try to find the solvation of that international problem... Terrorism destroys everything it touches! I'm convinced there must be both East and West hardly trying to cope with terrorism! It's not the war of West against East and vice versa! Innocent people are dying!
Why are you opposing two civilizations?! They don't have to be confronting! The world is global and pretending to be democratic!
third world war... Gosh! I think two previous are really enough! I don't ask to stop the discussion of that problem, but i just ask you to consider it from defferent angles! There is almost nothing left in the world we could determine as The One and The Only Truth!
wolff wrote:There is no need to prove it. We all saw how some simple pictures in Danish newspaper lead to confrontation between many countries and even to death of people! Is this normal???
Ask someone from EC "Widdle East" if they are really so "simple"! :!: :?:
And something abot Russia! I don't need to tell you, friend, how many russians were killed in terrorist attacks! We are the last to blame in playing not fair with people who insist on terror spreading! Do you really think that no paying attention to the countries you mentioned above is right? Talking and discussing is the first step of finding the solvation!
And the last one "it's capital" is Moscow! :!:
Sorry for being rude sometimes, but it really hurts when i hear it! :oops:

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Post by Rui » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:25 pm

well sorry my friends but after read your both opinions about the problem we are facing with terrorism i guess im somewhere between both of you.. from one side i believe that this is a problem that we must solve together and of course there's no reason to be against that persons that have different thoughts of us, however looking to what has happened these last days because of some cartons that i've not even seen it makes me feel deeply concern with the way we are all going, my god... how can we feel so offended by some drawings joking with a religion when in portugal, a catholic country we are all the time seeing cartoons joking with the government, catholic church and other relevant parts of our society, sorry if i have this opinion, but see the anger of that people makes me think that the way to solve this problem its gonna be very very difficult

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by wolff » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:40 pm

Hello Tora. Im sorry if my words hurted you. I did not want it. Im not for West not for East Im for peace. I see how people, in East mostly, react on what many may say common things and how West plan react on this. Both seem to me wrong. We, me and you and other common people all over the world together must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if we will lose it the world may stop existing. That is all.

P.S. Hebrew meaning for Tora is Bibble.
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Post by ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:54 pm

If we want to live without any problems ,,we must recpect each athers becouse of differant.
and there are many things in this world that breed a generation that has the hatred and disparagement toward another people

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:10 pm

Guys! I like wolff as i like everyone on this planet! You didn't get me, that's my fault! :oops: :oops: :cry:
Rui, i'm not angry and i don't like to be angry! :!: I'm the last to talk about anger! :roll:
ahmads, i don't feel any hatred!
i agree with wolff and give him my total respect!
And i can take other's opinion!

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:10 pm

Talking and discussing is the first step of finding the solvation!
It is very interesting what Russia will say if Israel or EC or USA will invite chechenian's terrorists for negotiatians :!: :evil:

Your opinion is just another proof for what wolff names hypocrisy. Who do you think hamas is? A peaceful organization created to find solutions for the Middle East problem? It is terroristic organization. It was included in the list of terroristic organizations in USA and EC(in one row with al kaida)! Hamas killed thouthends of innocent Jews like chechenian's gorillas killed Russians.
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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:19 pm

Monster, you don't even pretend to be delicate with a girl!
:?
I didn't like "chechenian gorrilas", as i'm willing with all my heart to all chechenians to recover from the ruins, left by marching troops of both federals and terrorists! You better haven't said it so in such a manner! that's offensive too!
I agree i' not well informed about Hamas, i know only what they do and it's horrable! If you can tell me something plain and impartial, i'll appreciate!
I don't see any difference between blood of Russians and Jews, thy are all innocent victims and the part of a political game! I don't like politics, that plays with people's lives! But it happens...

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:22 pm

Monster wrote:
Talking and discussing is the first step of finding the solvation!
It is very interesting what Russia will say if Israel or EC or USA will invite chechenian's terrorists for negotiatians :!: :evil:
And what about Ahmed Zakhaev,who is living in the UK?!
Or the way from Georgia (Saakashvili is so obsessed by Bush and US in general), Pankiss, using it terrorists come to The South of Russia?

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:32 pm

wolff wrote:Hello Tora. Im sorry if my words hurted you. I did not want it. Im not for West not for East Im for peace. I see how people, in East mostly, react on what many may say common things and how West plan react on this. Both seem to me wrong. We, me and you and other other common people all over the world must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if lose it the world may stop existing. That is all.

P.S. Hebrow meaning for Tora is Bibble.
You know, sometimes strange things happen! I am 100% agree with what you've written in this message! Yes, It's the right time!!!
:!: Now i'm misunderstood... that's embarassing! you are a nice guy! Thanks for discussion!

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by wolff » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:07 pm

Thanks for your replies Tora Im glad my topic has brought you a little pleasure :wink:

MONSTER! Please be polite with other members! Their opinions are as important for us as your one!
Moreover if it will be here rude replies I guess this topic will be locked or even deleted!

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:15 pm

Wolff, you are an awesome peacemaker! :wink:
Let's be friends!

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:18 pm

I just said what I thought.

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:25 pm

I will be surprised if this topic won't be closed as it happened to my one.

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:55 pm

:?
I can't be sure that you'll answer, but where are you from?

About whether it will be closed or not we'd better ask the Moderator... but I don't think so...
You see, pal, i CAN think (is it surprising for you) :lol:

Not very smart Tora

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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:30 pm

Tora wrote:
wolff wrote: but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital
Happy Friend! after all I guess now it's my turn to be danyet! :evil:
Awwwww.... you're making me miss Danyet. Where is he now? :cry:

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Don't play with me Tora. That this I have deleted last lines of my message, does not mean that I cannot add them again!

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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Rui wrote: however looking to what has happened these last days because of some cartons that i've not even seen it makes me feel deeply concern with the way we are all going, my god... how can we feel so offended by some drawings joking with a religion when in portugal, a catholic country we are all the time seeing cartoons joking with the government, catholic church and other relevant parts of our society, sorry if i have this opinion, but see the anger of that people makes me think that the way to solve this problem its gonna be very very difficult
Exactly! I think it's time we should question whether the religion is wrong, the faith is wrong, or the people are wrong. Which one is the deepest thread of the problem...... :?

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:04 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Rui wrote: however looking to what has happened these last days because of some cartons that i've not even seen it makes me feel deeply concern with the way we are all going, my god... how can we feel so offended by some drawings joking with a religion when in portugal, a catholic country we are all the time seeing cartoons joking with the government, catholic church and other relevant parts of our society, sorry if i have this opinion, but see the anger of that people makes me think that the way to solve this problem its gonna be very very difficult
Exactly! I think it's time we should question whether the religion is wrong, the faith is wrong, or the people are wrong. Which one is the deepest thread of the problem...... :?
Very simple - there are smart goverment and normal people(Spain) and there are crazy goverment and defected people(Iran, Syria, Palestine) with a religion that only forces its worshippers to kill innocent(everyone who may think something different from what Islam says) with themselves.

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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:07 pm

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Very simple - there are smart goverment and normal people(Spain) and there are crazy goverment and defected people(Iran, Syria, Palestine) with a religion that only forces its worshippers to kill innocent(everyone who may think something different from what Islam says) with themselves.
:? Is this your answer to my question? So.... what is the deepest thread of the problem? The faith, religion, or the people?

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Post by Monster » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:12 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Monster wrote:
Very simple - there are smart goverment and normal people(Spain) and there are crazy goverment and defected people(Iran, Syria, Palestine) with a religion that only forces its worshippers to kill innocent(everyone who may think something different from what Islam says) with themselves.
:? Is this your answer to my question? So.... what is the deepest thread of the problem? The faith, religion, or the people?
If there would not be Islam as it is in its present state there would not be this confrontation between East and West as wolff said!

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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:13 pm

Monster wrote:
If there would not be Islam as it is in its present state there would not be this confrontation between East and West as wolff said!
So the religion is wrong? It's the deepest thread of the problem you say? :?

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:21 pm

Monster wrote:Don't play with me Tora. That this I have deleted last lines of my message, does not mean that I cannot add them again!
Oh come on! :!:
You can do what you want! :wink:
I'm not the one to prohibit it to you!
It will serve you right!
Don't try to make me frightened! I don't understand what's up to you!

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Re: East and West - the last battle of this world

Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:24 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Tora wrote:
wolff wrote: but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital
Happy Friend! after all I guess now it's my turn to be danyet! :evil:
Awwwww.... you're making me miss Danyet. Where is he now? :cry:
Lennye, dear, don't be upset. I'm sure time will come and you'll get a reason to feel satisfied again... :roll: :wink:

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:35 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Monster wrote:
Very simple - there are smart goverment and normal people(Spain) and there are crazy goverment and defected people(Iran, Syria, Palestine) with a religion that only forces its worshippers to kill innocent(everyone who may think something different from what Islam says) with themselves.
:? Is this your answer to my question? So.... what is the deepest thread of the problem? The faith, religion, or the people?
I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence.
I guess people all over the world (including myself) can easily be made to believe so strongly in everything (I don't mean religion), especaially those ones who suffered enough. And after that they easily become weapon! The government, authorities make their people be involved in something they don't have an idea about!

Oh, cruel world!..

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Post by ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:56 pm

Tora wrote: ahmads, i don't feel any hatred!
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Honey ,I didn't talk about you !!!! :D

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:58 pm

ahmads wrote:
Tora wrote: ahmads, i don't feel any hatred!
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Honey ,I didn't talk about you !!!! :D
Sweetie you are... :D :oops: :roll:

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Post by ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:15 pm

Tora wrote:
ahmads wrote:
Tora wrote: ahmads, i don't feel any hatred!
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Honey ,I didn't talk about you !!!! :D
Sweetie you are... :D :oops: :roll:
hhhhhh but I don't agree with wolff
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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:19 pm

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Try to fight with your attitude before you post here! I don't seek here anyone who wants to fight instead to discuss!
If you have a problem with my attitude, report to the Administration. If you don't seek anyone to fight with, then back off. I don't need your tone towards me. My question was for everyone, not for you only. Don't start a fight first and then can't be a man saying you weren't.

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Post by MissLT » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:21 pm

Tora wrote:
I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence!..
To me, we can. People are the deepest thread of the problem here.

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Post by ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:30 pm

wolff wrote:Hello. I guess the headline is clear enough to understand what the point is to be mentioned here.
We all watch news. What has been going on for the last time in my opinion is the beginning of the next war. This time between civilizations. Eastern and Western.

America strikes Islamic terrorism all over the world. Terrorists supported by some countries plan new terracts.(which means hypocrisy, ‘we all fight terror’ some leaders say but Russia invites terrorist’s to its capital, Arab countries send them(terrorists) money and weapons) The whole world it seems is on the edge of a total crisis - a new global war.
There is no need to prove it. We all saw how some simple pictures in Danish newspaper lead to confrontation between many countries and even to death of people! Is this normal???

Iran wants to have its own nuclear weapon and in the same time calls for destroying other country, though I’m sure it will strike back by its own nuclear weapon. Shirak said France will use atomic bomb in vengeance to terror attacks and I’m sure he’s not lied! Where are we going??? Can we stop it here?
first-
policy of America and europa are responsible about all the terrorism
second-
iran want to have nuclear for energy not weapon,but some of politician assumed that,and America have weapon ,France ,Israel ....etc I know nuclear is not good ,for all people not just iran
all of them can have ,but iran can not ,Why?
we must carry out this rule over all of them .
Third -all things that happen every day in prisons
are come of hatred and disparagement that are built in new generations toward muslims :idea:
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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:32 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
Tora wrote:
I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence!..
To me, we can. People are the deepest thread of the problem here.
So... We are both ensured that it is not the religion.
Do you see the roots of the problem in ourselves saying "people"?

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Post by Tora » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:44 pm

ahmads wrote:
Tora wrote:
ahmads wrote: Honey ,I didn't talk about you !!!! :D
Sweetie you are... :D :oops: :roll:
hhhhhh but I don't agree wolff
Look, what wolff wrote:
"We, me and you and other common people all over the world together must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if we will lose it the world may stop existing..."
I fully agree with it...

And the hatred against muslims... I face with it not every day but still... That brings me down, though i'm christian, Islam is a peaceful religion, but people see what they want to see or what they are been told is seem... ( :shock: ) And so hard to convince somebody...

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Post by ahmads » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:58 pm

Tora wrote:
Look, what wolff wrote:
"We, me and you and other common people all over the world together must say that is enough and try to find a consensus for the problem, because in my opinion it is the time and if we will lose it the world may stop existing..."
I fully agree with it...

And the hatred against muslims... I face with it not every day but still... That brings me down, though i'm christian, Islam is a peaceful religion, but people see what they want to see or what they are been told is seem... ( :shock: ) And so hard to convince somebody...
yes,, I see ...like me ...I'm very peaceful . I agree
The problem is (between east and west):
there are many many many of people mix between terror and struggle .
so... there are many countries have requested from palestinian take struggle off ,it is very fun ..struggle waw ...this is the point that makes big problem ....
I can not understand ...... imagine that someone asks you to kill your self hhhhhh . and you can add another things
( CUMULATIVE)
sometimes I feel that I'm in the mad world ,,or maybe I'm mad man
:lol: :lol: struggle :lol: :lol: :roll: :lol:

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Post by wolff » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:08 am

Monster wrote:
LennyeTran wrote:
Monster wrote: This is exactly what I mean!
Did I do it to you first? I posted a question to everyone. You answered my question. I posted back. Who started the fight here, huh? :x
You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.
No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.

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wolff wrote:
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LennyeTran wrote: Did I do it to you first? I posted a question to everyone. You answered my question. I posted back. Who started the fight here, huh? :x
You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.
No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.
I read my posts again, and I see why he was giving me an attitude. I asked a question first to everyone. He answered my question. However, I didn't understand if he was really answering my question; therefore, I asked him again. And he replied to me. Once again, I wasn't really sure if I understood it correctly, so I asked him again. I think he thought I was mocking him. Excuse me for being extremely slow, I did not mock at him or give him an attitude. If I had been, this would have been next to my question ---> :roll: . I used this --> :? to express that I wasn't sure or confused.

Anyway, back to you Monster, to me people who give me an attitude are people who want to fight with me. If they don't wanna fight with me, why would they give me an attittude when I'm not the one who started it in the first place? From what I see, this is a misunderstanding between my posts and yours. Take it or not is your choice, but as for me I'm gonna let this go since what I see it is a misunderstanding.

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:13 am

Tora wrote: So... We are both ensured that it is not the religion.
Do you see the roots of the problem in ourselves saying "people"?
When you look at religion and read religious books, they're all about peace and love. They're the part of the moral code ethics. And there are people with faith to carry on the religion correctly to live a peaceful life. To some people, they should practice their religion right to be in heaven or to reach Nirvana. On the other hand, there are people who abuse their faith and religion to a different path. We, humans, created the religion. We follow our faith. And with our own hands we've destroyed what we created.

I think whoever hasn't destroyed what we created should not get blamed. There are people who try to live a peaceful life no matter they're religious or not. And there are people who would kill others in the name of religion. To me those who kill others in the name of religion have destroyed what we created. And they should be blamed.

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Post by Arale » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:23 am

Monster wrote:I will be surprised if this topic won't be closed as it happened to my one.
I will close any thread which has been too far from the main topic or members are fighting there. We need opinions here. Is it clear? Anyway, I will delete some off-topic posts in this thread. Please discuss and respect your friends here. Thanks a lot! :roll: If you have any opinion about my moderating, please contact me or the Admin. Thanks again! :roll:

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:37 am

LennyeTran wrote:
wolff wrote:
Monster wrote: You first mentioned the word 'fight'. I do not want to fight with anybody here I just want to express my opinion on the subject.
No matter who started it! Stop it here! Be smarter!It is not interesting to watch how you scold here! Think a bit about others too.

I begin understand now why this subject is so complecated if we cannot even speak with each other how our countries can negotiate or live in peace with each other.
I read my posts again, and I see why he was giving me an attitude. I asked a question first to everyone. He answered my question. However, I didn't understand if he was really answering my question; therefore, I asked him again. And he replied to me. Once again, I wasn't really sure if I understood it correctly, so I asked him again. I think he thought I was mocking him. Excuse me for being extremely slow, I did not mock at him or give him an attitude. If I had been, this would have been next to my question ---> :roll: . I used this --> :? to express that I wasn't sure or confused.

Anyway, back to you Monster, to me people who give me an attitude are people who want to fight with me. If they don't wanna fight with me, why would they give me an attittude when I'm not the one who started it in the first place? From what I see, this is a misunderstanding between my posts and yours. Take it or not is your choice, but as for me I'm gonna let this go since what I see it is a misunderstanding.
This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.

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Post by wolff » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:01 pm

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I agree it's the most difficult question! The only thing i'm sure: we can't blame people! I hardly can name nation that chose war on their territory, innocent common people victims, permanent struggle, terror, fear, blood and violence!..
To me, we can. People are the deepest thread of the problem here.
I don't agree with you at 100% that people are the main problem. Infants aren't born bad or good but they can grow to good children or not so good. It depends on their parents and their inviroment. In our case parents are the goverment and constitution and enviroment is religion and common relations between citizens, citezens and goverment and how the state relates to foreign countries.

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:53 pm

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This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.
Ok, it seems to me that you're still not clear yet. How about I'm gonna give you a little scenario? (I love scenarios) :wink:

Okay, we were all talking in the group (participating in this thread at EC). I asked my question. Some people were still thinking (present members who hadn't posted their answers yet), or they weren't paying attention (non-present members at that point). You stood up to answer my question. Unfortunately, I didn't understand or really hear it. I got confused, "Did this guy really answer my question?" Thus, I asked you, "Come again?" You answered my question once more time. However, I still didn't get it; therefore, I asked you the question again.

You, by now, got really annoyed by questions. "Is this girl deaf or stupid?," you were thinking. Hence, instead of answering my repeated question, you gave me a middle finger. I was waiting for your answer; I didn't hear it beside I saw your middle finger. I was taken aback. "What is this dude's problem? I was just asking a question, and he gave me a frigging middle finger? How dare he...."

My urge of fighting back an attitude raised. I yelled back, "hey, dude, if you wanna fight, I'll fight with you. Don't just stand there and give me your middle finger." You yelled back... And blah blah blah blah blah blah... this is how the whole thing started. Do you get it now? :wink:

So what if I was the one who said the word fight first. Would I say it if you didn't give me your attitude? And would you give me an attitude if I didn't ask my question? But the reason why I asked my question repeatedly because I didn't understand your answer. And how much pain a question could do to you that you had to give someone you barely knew an attittude? Seriously.......

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:26 pm

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I don't agree with you at 100% that people are the main problem. Infants aren't born bad or good but they can grow to good children or not so good. It depends on their parents and their inviroment. In our case parents are the goverment and constitution and enviroment is religion and common relations between citizens, citezens and goverment and how the state relates to foreign countries.
I was reading Freedom from the known by Krishnamurti, and the book reminds me of your post. Well, this part reminds me of yours (I haven't finished the whole book yet).

"We are second-hand people. We have lived on what we have been told, either guided by our inclinations, our tendencies, or compelled to accept by circumstances and environment. We are the result of all kinds of influences and there is nothing new in us, nothing that we have discovered for ourselves; nothing original, pristine, clear." (Freedom from the known, Krishnamurti, pg. 10)

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:37 pm

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This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.
Ok, it seems to me that you're still not clear yet. How about I'm gonna give you a little scenario? (I love scenarios) :wink:

Okay, we were all talking in the group (participating in this thread at EC). I asked my question. Some people were still thinking (present members who hadn't posted their answers yet), or they weren't paying attention (non-present members at that point). You stood up to answer my question. Unfortunately, I didn't understand or really hear it. I got confused, "Did this guy really answer my question?" Thus, I asked you, "Come again?" You answered my question once more time. However, I still didn't get it; therefore, I asked you the question again.

You, by now, got really annoyed by questions. "Is this girl deaf or stupid?," you were thinking. Hence, instead of answering my repeated question, you gave me a middle finger. I was waiting for your answer; I didn't hear it beside I saw your middle finger. I was taken aback. "What is this dude's problem? I was just asking a question, and he gave me a frigging middle finger? How dare he...."

My urge of fighting back an attitude raised. I yelled back, "hey, dude, if you wanna fight, I'll fight with you. Don't just stand there and give me your middle finger." You yelled back... And blah blah blah blah blah blah... this is how the whole thing started. Do you get it now? :wink:

So what if I was the one who said the word fight first. Would I say it if you didn't give me your attitude? And would you give me an attitude if I didn't ask my question? But the reason why I asked my question repeatedly because I didn't understand your answer. And how much pain a question could do to you that you had to give someone you barely knew an attittude? Seriously.......
HEY ARE YOU NORMAL??? OR DO YOU TAKE SOME DRUGS??? CALM DOWN YET! I DO NOT WANT ANY ATTITUDE FROM YOU I SAID THIS WAS MISUNDERSTANDING AND AGREED WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:42 pm

Monster wrote:HEY ARE YOU NORMAL??? OR DO YOU TAKE SOME DRUGS??? CALM DOWN YET! I DO NOT WANT ANY ATTITUDE FROM YOU I SAID THIS WAS MISUNDERSTANDING AND AGREED WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you always this over-reacting? One, re-read my post again. No hurtful or harmful intention except an explanation. Two, you do NOT need to raise your tone with me again and call me names. This was the problem of our misunderstanding at first. Three, I was explaining to this post of yours,
Monster wrote:This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:25 pm

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Monster wrote:HEY ARE YOU NORMAL??? OR DO YOU TAKE SOME DRUGS??? CALM DOWN YET! I DO NOT WANT ANY ATTITUDE FROM YOU I SAID THIS WAS MISUNDERSTANDING AND AGREED WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you always this over-reacting? One, re-read my post again. No hurtful or harmful intention except an explanation. Two, you do NOT need to raise your tone with me again and call me names. This was the problem of our misunderstanding at first. Three, I was explaining to this post of yours,
Monster wrote:This is clear misunderstanding. So I agree let's it go, though I completely disagree with your assertion about who 'started' it.
When last have you seen your doctor??? Im sure if you right now will go to a clinic you surely feel better. The medecine of our days has a great deal of drugs for almost all desiases including serious brain damage! :D

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:30 pm

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When last have you seen your doctor??? Im sure if you right now will go to a clinic you surely feel better. The medecine of our days has a great deal of drugs for almost all desiases including serious brain damage! :D
Shouldn't you say this to yourself? Oh.. the pain of living in illusion..... This is what we, humans, have been suffering for thousands of years. We are delusional, and here you are a living example.

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:36 pm

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When last have you seen your doctor??? Im sure if you right now will go to a clinic you surely feel better. The medecine of our days has a great deal of drugs for almost all desiases including serious brain damage! :D
Shouldn't you say this to yourself? Oh.. the pain of living in illusion..... This is what we, humans, have been suffering for thousands of years. We are delusional, and here you are a living example.
Don't spend the precious time darling otherwise it will be too serious.

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:40 pm

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Don't spend the precious time darling otherwise it will be too serious.
"Mr. Monster, your appointment with the doctor is at 3 pm on Monday. Although we were not supposed to be open on this Monday due to the fact it's a holiday, we will make a special arrangement for you with the doctor. You'll have our notice again in the morning of Monday. Is your phone number still the same?....." Does it sound familiar to you? I bet it does. :lol:

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:46 pm

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Don't spend the precious time darling otherwise it will be too serious.
"Mr. Monster, your appointment with the doctor is at 3 pm on Monday. Although we were not supposed to be open on this Monday due to the fact it's a holiday, we will make a special arrangement for you with the doctor. You'll have our notice again in the morning of Monday. Is your phone number still the same?....." Does it sound familiar to you? I bet it does. :lol:
Ladies're first!

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:49 pm

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It's an equal world now. I haven't had my appointment ever. Let me see how the doctor will treat you. If you're cured, I'll make mine. Otherwise, I'm still considered myself more sane than you are. :lol: :lol:

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:03 pm

You will not outwit me! You women now use these two words 'equal rights' only to catch men in trap after your denial of doing somthing, but when men did it leaving you far behind you always say this is not fair because it is equal rights for men and women!

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Post by MissLT » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:14 pm

Monster wrote:You will not outwit me! You women now use these two words 'equal rights' only to catch men in trap after your denial of doing somthing, but when men did it leaving you far behind you always say this is not fair because it is equal rights for men and women!
You'd better keep your words because I'm soooo gonna call the Women Rights Services to rat on you now :lol: . Anyway, this is getting boring to me. I'm gonna stop here. Nice "fighting" with you. It gave me a chance to practice my fighting skills. :lol: :lol:

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Post by Monster » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:53 pm

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