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Cucumber wrote: Will they really taking part in gay-parades?
There are people who are not gays in the gay parade just to support and help out their loved ones. Also, they're there for the fun. I am not Chinese, but I have been helping out carrying the dragon in the Chinese parade. I'm there to have fun and help my cousin out who would like to help his friends out. So, it's a big circle of helping each other and having fun, you know. You don't have to be one to be a part of something. Be there with your loved ones and support them. That's what they need.
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LennyeTran wrote:
Cucumber wrote: Will they really taking part in gay-parades?
They are people who are not gays in the gay parade just to support and help out their loved ones. Also, they're there for the fun. I am not Chinese, but I have been helping out carrying the dragon in the Chinese parade. I'm there to have fun and help my cousin out who would like to help his friends out. So, it's a big circle of helping each other and having fun, you know. You don't have to be one to be a part of something. Be there with your loved ones and support them. That's what they need.
There was a gay-parade last year here. They ask our official place at their disposal main street in the Riga, to move near our main memorial and etc. It's the same as to go with this show past 11 September Memorial in the New York. Our official got permit them but people was shocked with this and organized a scufle. Where is an exit?
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Cucumber wrote: There was a gay-parade last year here. They ask our official place at their disposal main street in the Riga, to move near our main memorial and etc. It's the same as to go with this show past 11 September Memorial in the New York. Our official got permit them but people was shocked with this and organized a scufle. Where is an exit?
Excuse me for being ignorant, but may I ask for your point of this story? :?
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LennyeTran wrote:
Cucumber wrote: There was a gay-parade last year here. They ask our official place at their disposal main street in the Riga, to move near our main memorial and etc. It's the same as to go with this show past 11 September Memorial in the New York. Our official got permit them but people was shocked with this and organized a scufle. Where is an exit?
Excuse me for being ignorant, but may I ask for your point of this story? :?
I think let they go. But only not along the main street. There is many good places here. If they wish to meet together and to have fun- please, our city is not so small. We even have especially places for show. Had be better that they went there. We aren't ready for this show nearby to our sacred place.
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But it seems to me that this show had conducted with other aim so it was the conflict there.
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I'm sorry. I still don't understand it.... :?
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danyet wrote:
FFFF wrote:and what will you do if some gays try to kiss you?
I've faced this situation 3 times ,this is disgusting
danyet wrote:danyet"]Just make sure that he shaves first, you don't want to get razor burn!





:lol: :lol: :lol: 'ave ya been there darling? :lol: Danyet I am
(joking of course) and girls...make sure she shaves too...dykes on steroids and testosterone that is...(no mean-ness intended darlings!) I love dykes but they need to leave me alone, they are not my type. I will kiss them but not sensually!
Maybe later in life I will change my mind though...ya just never know where you are going sometimes until you get there! we earthlings are funny critters!
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danyet wrote:Comming soon! POLYGAMY..........does anyone want to make a bet!!!



There are plenty of poligamists Danyet...I mean, aren't there?
Oh I think you may mean, for that to become the norm...is that the point you are making?
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[quote="Cucumber"]I know, somebody will say "Oh, these old farts can't stop talking about God's conception for people, there is new times and everybody may do what they wish!" Maybe, maybe. But marriage between the same sex people is private, intim action, so phrase was told by Boris "don’t display it for everyone" is correct. Let anybody explane me what one would say to his child if he has asked " Mommy, why these men are kissing? Do you have any right ansver?[/quote]



For the loving person it is not a big deal Cucumber, I was told by my mother, when I asked her about it at 8 years old, a very long time ago....and I accepted it as life... and never looked back, or judged these folks!

gee...didn't the Christianity also say that Jesus suggested man to be like the little child (in their starry eyed acceptance of life) I think this is what he meant no judgement leave that to your Heavenly Father... am I not right?
...lest WE be judged, as well, as harshly too Oh HELL!

(My mom merely spoke simply and said men that love men often will wear make-up, like he does, Tracey.)
SIMPLE. Done. I made no issue of it. (nor did my mom)

I wanted just to know more about these interesting people who loved their own. In innocense we must return to our own backyards, our own lives, and to our own failings and be sure to be good people, if we pretend to have some favor with a God...not to point the finger over there thinking we do no wrong.
There is a lot of arguing over other peoples sex lives, when the subjects of more importance go un-spoken...why this obsession with sexuality? What about WARS...POLLUTION...Mental-llness ...Crime....Homelessness...Starvation...are these to be ignored to keep focus on a sexual behavior of a semi-small portion of the world ?

The very wierdest thing to me today as i write is that I assumed you to be a female when we have talked before....Cucumber! i cannot even believe that you are actually a guy, a man. You seemed like a girl to me...a woman, so maybe underneath all the masculine bravado, who knows?

And Danyet...you should know that bulls are likely to stick in another male when they are crazed....just like my ex did when he was drunk. ( I still love my ex...but I am a bit pissed)
He pleaded that he was actually gay and we split up to live together, without the passion/fire....actually if I can be open others should just grow up. AND i am sick of hearing people say what GOD thinks so I am going to start doing it too.
AS IF WE KNOW.


GEEZ! Why would God create gays you small minded sheep? Do you ever think deeply ?
The latest brain research said many years ago thatthe human gay males brain was precisely like the womans brain with bigger cell formation so....the science wins...gay men are truly made up, mentally as a female, and I assume the same of the opposite sex...that woman who feel like men have the sort of Brain that man does.
How can anyone dispute the facts? God has made us this way correct? How then is God wrong?
Oh lets just say how wrong of a Creator/Divinity to create this type of human...you are blasphemers in my book.

If God were a ceramicist he would have these molds to pour..... perfect man....done.... perfect woman....check..... perfect gay man....complete.... perfect lesbian woman woman....check.....hermapharodite....check....imperfect male...check....imperfect female....check...grossly disabled human...check
Hummmmm....wonder GOD chose to create gays...ickky...especially the boy ones ...yuck!
I say grow up and get some friends who are gay... your GOD might then be able appreciate your vote of confidence in It's CREATION!

Gays are human and should definately be a part of Family Life...would you continue to always see Gods creations as some sort of accident and devients?

Your un-disiplined as religionists.

I am appalled. i want to thank all gay supporters in this thread. MUCH THANKS....LIFE is LIFE.
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tikay wrote:
danyet wrote:Comming soon! POLYGAMY..........does anyone want to make a bet!!!



There are plenty of poligamists Danyet...I mean, aren't there?
Oh I think you may mean, for that to become the norm...is that the point you are making?
pls stop talking this topic..ok
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I would almost agree but just look how ludacris that would be....after my five hour post...sorry...i get frustrated and more air comes out.

i want to shut-up but I cant. :roll:
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Cucumber! i cannot even believe that you are actually a guy, a man. You seemed like a girl to me...a woman, so maybe underneath all the masculine bravado, who knows?

Perhaps, it is in connecting with my experience in English. I can't express my ideas right. I learn English by writing the posts and i'm trying to catch your style of speaking. But i'm a "hard-teaching pupil" and i can't remember a lot. I'm learning English more than 1,5 years and have no any perceptible progress. But contacts with other members here bring me a good benefit for my training. I know only basic stock of words and i can't use the special expressions which is good understandig to you so my posts look like childish. :oops: :cry:
I'm a male, 47 old. :)
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Oh hi Cucumber!
i was hoping after I submitted that ...that you wouldn't take it too offensively...take it as mean! It is nice to know your age and sexual orientation...and I am thinking you just complimented me after it all is said and done. how nice of you i love that....you are too kind!
i hope you will learn to speak better than I do! i am lazy and hardly use the best vocabulary when i am teasing and joking a whole lot in here. When i joined I was hoping to teach by writing so i am always a little aware to speak properly. thanks for noticing. I wanted to use shortcuts at times but I knew that wont benefit people who are learning to speak and write in English.


I have the flu so i am trying to get some reat...but I keep returning to the site to see whos is writing/talking to me!
Nice to know you better now friend.Thanks for sharing information on you!
Now I remember that when you joined i was expecting a girl from school to join and I thought you might be that person...that might be what mixed me up the most! :oops:
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Okay, so it is the end of the world and there are only three people left, two men and a woman. The woman wants to immediatle re-populate the Earth and start a family for company but the two guys are homos and are turned off by the sight of the woman. Hence she grows old and dies lonley and all hope for humankind dies with her.

NOW tell me that being a homo is NORMAL and should not be discouraged!! Homosexuallity is abnormal and at best a disease.
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danyet wrote:Okay, so it is the end of the world and there are only three people left, two men and a woman. The woman wants to immediatle re-populate the Earth and start a family for company but the two guys are homos and are turned off by the sight of the woman. Hence she grows old and dies lonley and all hope for humankind dies with her.

NOW tell me that being a homo is NORMAL and should not be discouraged!! Homosexuallity is abnormal and at best a disease.
Hey, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. I don't know what happened to you straight guys since none could survive except two homos and a woman. What do you say about that? Why would we need to repopulate the earth to get more weak straight men? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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LennyeTran wrote: Hey, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. I don't know what happened to you straight guys since none could survive except two homos and a woman. What do you say about that? Why would we need to repopulate the earth to get more weak straight men? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh, how dare twist this around and pick on us poor straight guys for not not surviving my holocaust scenerio!!! HMMMMM!!!!
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Okay, let's get serious with this issue, then. I've said in other thread that humans, as like animals, are born with homosexuality. Unlike animals, we don't do it for survival. It is our preference of what gender is more of an attraction to us. Therefore, homosexual guys might not have intimacy with women since they don't find them attractive. However, if your scenario happened, I think they would choose either to repopulate the Earth or remain like that as a result and as the end of story. It'd be their choice now since reproduction doesn't happen with two men, and having intercourse is not the only way to get a woman pregnant.
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But the principle involved in the scenerio dicate that hetro is the norm and homo is the freak of nature and therefore must be considered as such in order to be truthful, as it is clearly the cold hard fact.
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danyet wrote:But the principle involved in the scenerio dicate that hetro is the norm and homo is the freak of nature and therefore must be considered as such in order to be truthful, as it is clearly the cold hard fact.
Remember what we were talking about last night? You're doing it again. :twisted:
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That was good Danyet. I don't listen to him!
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danyet wrote:That was good Danyet. I don't listen to him!
How did he get out? I thought the bad Danyet controlled him pretty tight.. And you're telling me the Danyet who laughed out loud with a cute a** smile, who pretended to be shy by covering his mouth when I said he had one breath-taking-away smile, and who laughed when I said something stupid or dorky was the good Danyet? I don't see what was good about him. Indeed, he was a little mischievous. So was he good or bad Danyet? :wink:
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danyet wrote:Okay, so it is the end of the world and there are only three people left, two men and a woman. The woman wants to immediatle re-populate the Earth and start a family for company but the two guys are homos and are turned off by the sight of the woman. Hence she grows old and dies lonley and all hope for humankind dies with her.

NOW tell me that being a homo is NORMAL and should not be discouraged!! Homosexuallity is abnormal and at best a disease.



aw....so man no longer is able to take the earth and destroy it as fast as he can with pollution and degradation and destroying anything beautiful to replace it with dust and concrete and glass...how sad! :lol:
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danyet wrote: Homosexuallity is abnormal and at best a disease.




The thing is homosexuality is NORMAL and should be applauded accepted and embraced as the norm. The problem is people have been taught to see it as wrong by people...who were burdened with fears like yours. Who thought that giving these fine people their place in the sun may result in everyone becoming gay and the eventual end of the world or something!
The real problem is that being a homosexual seems to cause a disease...in other people....dis-ease...they become no longer at ease with the idea...so they are the ones with the dis-ease...of gender prejudice, and stigma inducement to the phobic level.
still you all can continue to be homo-phobes if you want to but as for me,
I prefer to have optimum heath...especially mentally, if I can reach it! Even though, debatable at best I will ever get it, still I will continue to keep recovering from any brain damage that may have occured in my terrible past.
I have had many blows to the head...and also indulged in experimentation to great legnths with drugs of all kinds...no more though...
I try to excell now because one day iwill probably lose the capacity to think clearly...which i am blessed to have now.

Homosexuals should flood this post with their stories....I sure wish they would come in here!
you might actually feel bad for your predjudices, if their were some gay (men) or lesbian (women) talking in here. :roll:
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You are a twisted and lost person. You have found nothing because you have ignored enlightenment when it was before you. You must retrace your steps to find where you left the real you, or remain shunned.
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What are you yapping about, babe? :?
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danyet wrote:You are a twisted and lost person. You have found nothing because you have ignored enlightenment when it was before you. You must retrace your steps to find where you left the real you, or remain shunned.





Thanks for saying that I feel so understood now. (you cant win over everyone) I think I should retrace and see how far back down the trail you got lost...maybe your chidlike innocent self needs a guide...the rest of you has been ruined already too, by far too much brainwashing. You just stay there in that mass hypnotism...seems like you are comfortable letting others tell you who to be, and what to think of people, so you go ahead and follow the rest. You seem to be comfortable in the status quo, I am a unique individual who has thought through my predjudices and tossed them out, with great effort and hard work, I think you are just too lazy to do this.
Who is shunning me? No one I know.
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danyet wrote:That was good Danyet. I don't listen to him!



Maybe you should go back...retrace YOUR steps and get him, this good guy, and integrate the two Danyets...you yourself admit to a split with a side of yourself that is good. You may need a therapist to help in the integration...I may reccommend a psychiatrist if you like.
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well, i feel sorry for everybody here. when i posted the news of gay marriage in this forum, i didn't think it would rise such a heated discussion, or maybe debate, just like what happened in my country, China.

i take homosexual as usual because i think it's really no business with all of us others except the two who fall in love.

those who oppose homosexual, do you think you have the right to restrict people on whom they love? or why do you care more about others' sexuality? does it so matter to you or your life?
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kathymimi wrote:well, i feel sorry for everybody here. when i posted the news of gay marriage in this forum, i didn't think it would rise such a heated discussion, or maybe debate, just like what happened in my country, China.
Hey, i thought the same way... "Could kathymimi imagine what discussion would break out after her posting?.." :wink:
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I believe that we are constantly being programmed and reprogrammed by our media, our peers, our elders, our families to believe as they do and we have to ...it is so imperative that we become leaders in our own right , breaking trough this programming and developing techniques of our own to manage our own thoughts and emotions. Since I have been insisting to myself to be my best and not accept these prejudices since I was very young I know that it is easily done but one must start as soon as possible if we are to change the world before some fool blows it up. Hatred is evil. How to let evil run things?
Keep listening to fools.
How to transform society? Start with yourself and move forward after much work and study. The Christ insisted the kingdom of heaven is within ...and it is...i have been there..
The Buddah and all his buddies in the heavens... all the Gods and every angel...they are all waiting to assist us, but we have to give permission before they may transform us.
Homosexuality is not a top priority with them I can assure you.
I know this as fact. I have sat with this truth for many long years waiting for others to catch up.
I am bored with ignorance.
I love all people but I could use some encouragement in the form of enlightened responses.
Tired of people being closed minds.
Thanks for this question because it gives a place to speak about something more important.
Positive response as opposed to negative one...triumphs everytime.
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Cucumber wrote: Also I didn't hear that Adam gave the apple to other Adam. I've ever thought that it was Eve. But Adam and Eve was first couple. Not Adam and Adam. It's first conception what I spoke about.
If I've read it correctly from the Bible, God made Eve so Adam wouldn't feel lonely in the Eden Garden. Therefore, technically, they weren't set to be s couple. They were punished out of the garden, Eve were punished into bearing, and Adam was punished to hear her nags after eating the apple. If they hadn't eaten that apple, there would have been no child birth, sexual relations, or whatsoever between Adam and Eve on Heaven.

To me, this is just a tale the Bible gives out to explain how women could give birth and why there are women and men on Earth. They, on the other hand, forget one important view to me. They've forgotten that it was possible God just wanted to create some image different than Adam. I mean, if you could create Adam, why would you create another Adam when you knew you had the power to create something different, right? Just think about it.

If it wasn't a possible chance, then there would be no homosexuals at all. Some of them are born gays. It's not a fashion trend to them. So in a way, God made them gay.
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Thats right LennyeTran you tell 'em....well that took a long time to get a response to...I don't really know if that is good or bad in this case.

I agree with Lennyet! The Bible was an expression written not only to hold great meaning (hwen it was written and for those times) but also there is very much mis-understanding all about the book. In blibical times the messages given to the masses were also meant to garner some interest in living ethically (many were much more un-ethical people than you find all around you these days...ugh! imagine that!)

Also it was meant to gain acceptance of the churches, to gain membership, and status in the townships and community and....some of the passages once understood in one, eventually came to be understood in entirly different ways because that worked better to control wayward citizens or...the sinners that were most focused upon because if

The worst persons in a town, city or country may be controlled and changed to live better more ethical lives as well, then what is wrong with a little different version of the actual wording or meaning of a text...symbolically?
These meanings were retained only in part, and if you ask me, the serpant was a mixed message/sybology with the pagan mental construct of the serpant such as the Quezecotal of the Aztec or Maya, or the serpant god in other mythologies, and you will find out for yourself the various meanings of the serpant, if you read much in mythological lore,and of ancient peoples....pagan Holidays were integrated with Christianity and pagan symbology with the new religion,replacing panthism, to make way for a people to convert to the one God.
A religious One Way which was meant to be accepted to the point of giving up most of ones personal power, and to be empowered by the Christ which your Pope,priest or minister would tell you exactly how to determine and go about your whole life if you but asked....
how convienant for those who stood to gain by the *flocks* coming to them, in droves to be cleansed of sins, they didn't know they had incurred until admonished! Before, even the most trivial of acts, could be made a bargaining chip to the church and to the man in politics... How good a way, to discover what was happening in nearly every home, and to use such knowledge to gain even more power in politics and in the church to rise above those flock and have them nearly worship you, your power....
Oh believe me! things did become verily :) twisted :twisted: from the original texts! and as we are discovering now as new things come to light about Gnostic Religious teachings, (such as are only touched upon in The Da Vinci Code bestselling book of *fiction* (yet still perhaps based upon fact) much was also left out, of the original and first written tablets papyrus, stones, and first papers in the retelling.
Much was "re-surfaced" or glossed over too, to the added benefit of those to be placed in positions of power in the townships, about Jesus explaining to use your own self, to knoe your SeLf,that you may learn to connect to what is God without an ounce of separation, and very much deleted about other disciples, as well who taught along similar lines, such as thomas, peter and others who spoke that we must learn to use personal power in all things as the Christ also said. And to believe in ourselves as innocents, and not as the twisted "sinners".

What I believe has no bearing here but, having been a Christian through my eighteenth year,I have studied the Bible and read and heard every story repeated again and again.I did benefit much from it I will say. And i am not saying that one should give up the religion but use it, and although I rarely attended church, i was very honored to be a part of those lessons learned, and still, I have been reading about other religious teachings from 8 years old onward,many others.

I think the time has come to understand more and that is why we must not take the words of others as quickly to heart without a bit of checking with our insides. Know yourself....learn to meditate...maybe? and :lol: love :D all people unless you find a good reason to be wary of them... Meaning all sons and daughters of the universe because people deserve LOVE, despite what your predjudices may have taught you.

My ex-boyfriend told me he might be gay or bi-sexual right after proposing marriage to me....that sure was difficult to get over. You can probably imagine how upset that made me feel at the time, I had a few resentments over it at first, but I had never hated people of that persuasion before, and he was not going to change that open-ness in me, my basic ideas about love, would have needed to be amended, my whole philosophy, rearranged, and i was not really interested in becoming more closed-minded!

for hurting me, with that idea, as anyone else may have done in a day.

I got over myself and we ived together as friends for three and a half more years raising our daughter, he has only recently moved out, but he still visits, sarah and I, and we are friends.

If I acted as so many in here, seem to do daily, that would really, certainly hurt my child, and me in the long run. So I do what I think is more right...and based on some Christian Ideas and some from other Pagan Religions and many Buddhist Teachings,I chose to love him un-conditionally... & it seems to be working out well, we are close and friendly, we share our child, we have our child to raise in common, and nothing will ever change that.

If I can get over that then you can get over hating a stranger....or try making a stranger your friend that you may come to an understanding of how they are ultimately merely human, and not a gender. :wink:
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