i guess i don't understand it clearly... do i?

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Postby Tora » Sat May 13, 2006 8:16 am

LennyeTran wrote:
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USA was the only country among the above mentioned where were no figthing on the territory where the common people lived... that's why it's a bit different from the other... it had it's forces in north africa europe and definitely was fighting agains hitler's allies in the east. that's why...

Does it matter? If the US only mentioned itself in this war, then I could see your point of highlighting it. But there is an AND, which it means the US wasn't alone in this war.


Lennye, i compare it to what hitler's army did here. the anger to russian was incrediable, killing innocent children and women, old people, burn to ashes setllements, ruined architecture in the most beautiful russian towns, years of famine in leningrad, when people were boiling their letherbelts to have something to eat! it does matter to me!
I appereciate that we still have a chance to know and learn about the war from the participants and the books written by them and movies based on real events and shot by those who were fighting all the terrifying years of war.
I was just asking to say a word of prasing soviet union forces...

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Re: i guess i don't understand it clearly... do i?

Postby Tora » Sat May 13, 2006 8:21 am

danyet wrote:
Tora wrote:the Allied forces led by Great Britain and the U.S.A.

"Allied Forces" refers to all the countries that were allied under the British/US led coalition. Russia was under their own command acting in their own interest.

Must I post the pictures of bodies hanging in the barbed wire to jog your memory?


should i post the photos of people in leningrad frozen to death while standing in a queue for their small piece of bread, that would be stolen by street thieves just after they get it?

generations should keep in mind the damage of every strong belief - nazis or communism... both of them are wrong. no lives must be threaten by political ambitions as it's clearly seen what consequences may follow... ww2 is a real evidence of how not to be! just keep in mind!

i suppose there is no sence in sharing these kind of photos with each other, danyet... why trying to frighten each other?.. Let's do not...
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Postby MissLT » Sat May 13, 2006 8:25 am

Then by all means I don't think the document was wrong since it said, Allied forces led by Great Britain and the U.S.A. Russia wasn't part of the allied forces like Danyet said. I thought it was in history. The document didn't mention about Russia and it's wrong, but it wasn't wrong to say Russia wasn't part of the allied forces to my understanding.

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Postby Tora » Sat May 13, 2006 8:28 am

LennyeTran wrote:The document didn't mention about Russia and it's wrong, but it wasn't wrong to say Russia wasn't part of the allied forces to my understanding.


it wasn't wrong and i didn't want to say that russia was among allied forces. i meant only not mentioning soviet union at all! that's all. so i hope the misconception is determined. i fell sorry for my poor english that can't transform clearly what i am thinking about, Lennye.

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Postby MissLT » Sat May 13, 2006 8:36 am

Oh, okay. You said prove you wrong, so I thought... Never mind, then. :wink:

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Postby Danyet » Sat May 13, 2006 2:39 pm

I will concede that it is true that on many occasions that spokesmen in the USA say things that lead people to believe that the USA single handedly one the war on their own. This is portrayed in many hollywood movies also. As a matter of a fact this attitude is one of my "pet peeves" about the USA. But I do not think that your example is a good one this time Tora.

I, for one am well aware of the sacrifices made by the Russian people, soldiers and citizens alike, who gave and suffered far more than their share in order to get rid of the Nazi menace. Some historians say that the Allies may have been defeated by Germany if it was not for the contribution and effort from Russia.

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Postby MissLT » Sat May 13, 2006 5:21 pm

danyet wrote:Some historians say that the Allies may have been defeated by Germany if it was not for the contribution and effort from Russia.

I learned this part in history class.

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Postby Tora » Sat May 13, 2006 6:16 pm

danyet wrote:I will concede that it is true that on many occasions that spokesmen in the USA say things that lead people to believe that the USA single handedly one the war on their own. This is portrayed in many hollywood movies also. As a matter of a fact this attitude is one of my "pet peeves" about the USA. But I do not think that your example is a good one this time Tora.

I, for one am well aware of the sacrifices made by the Russian people, soldiers and citizens alike, who gave and suffered far more than their share in order to get rid of the Nazi menace. Some historians say that the Allies may have been defeated by Germany if it was not for the contribution and effort from Russia.


i am not good at making examples at all, so you will forgive me. the second part of your post i liked a lot! good enough that you share (even a bit) my opinion.


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