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Post by Tora » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:53 pm

I really think so... every time I switch on the telly - crimes, crises, blasts, murdering... there is a political crisis in Ukraine - the opposites bring to the Rada sirens and keep them screaming during the whole working day, they fight there and there is no way out, even the president doubts what political forces to support.

there were terrorist attacks in India not so long time ago, innocent people dying all over

North Korea tries weapon without telling a word about it, Russia is it's neighbour and not only Russia

tragedy in Valencia, it's an accident but still it means that the world is out of order

the war! God, it's a war! Lebanon is attacked by Israel - a peaceful country - and you are still afraid of Iran and it's Iranium?

every week happens something horrible... good news are very rare...

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Post by MissLT » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:02 pm

You can try to find the peace within yourself by doing volunteer work and hanging with family and friends. Forget the world and its problems. Forget the ignorants who would kill others for religion, politics, money, love, etc.

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Post by Tora » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:09 pm

LennyeTran wrote:You can try to find the peace within yourself by doing volunteer work and hanging with family and friends. Forget the world and its problems. Forget the ignorants who would kill others for religion, politics, money, love, etc.
you're trying your psycological abilities on me, Lennye? :lol: Yeah, I must say you're right, but if I stop thinking about it, nothing will change... I don't understand what happens - I just think it's crazy!

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Post by Danyet » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:13 pm

I understand what happened!

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Post by MissLT » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:14 pm

Well, it's true that if you stop thinking about it, nothing will change. However, if you keep thinking about it and just think, nothing will change either. Thus, do your part within your ability range, you know. I know I'm not Condoleezza Rice (hate this woman, by the way), so I think it's better for me to just volunteer.

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Post by Tora » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:21 pm

LennyeTran wrote:Well, it's true that if you stop thinking about it, nothing will change. However, if you keep thinking about it and just think, nothing will change either. Thus, do your part within your ability range, you know. I know I'm not Condoleezza Rice (hate this woman, by the way), so I think it's better for me to just volunteer.
why do you hate poor Condoleezza? I don't know much about her, know just she speaks Russian a bit and talks with our god-damned-good-looking minister of foreign policy! :roll:

I'm always making big eyes when I'm watching news and wonder how it takes place in a wise and intelligent society!

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Post by MissLT » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:24 pm

She's a Republican who supports Bush always. An African-American Republican? That's just.... I don't know which word I should use to describe it.

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Post by Danyet » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:54 pm

LennyeTran wrote:She's a Republican who supports Bush always. An African-American Republican? That's just.... I don't know which word I should use to describe it.
That's is described as, "one hell of a smart an independant Black woman."

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Post by zaman » Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:59 pm

hy LennyeTran :
i want ro ask you question , put please answear me frankly ok.
are you racial.

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:58 am

:twisted: Yes, I am. People make me sick, so I hate them all. Did I answer your unrelated-business-question?

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Post by eman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:42 am

for the fifth day ,,,Israel attacting lebonan from all sides...

about135 people dead from the first day of the attacked,, they are all local people and seven of them are soldier dead today..
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they destroyed their houses,building,school,...everything
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are they guilty?

isreal doesnt have the right to attacked lebonan... :x :x :x

they entered the lebonan board..then hezb allah fired them and they have two isreal's solider,,,they dont have the right to croose lebonan's board...

does hez allah have the right to attacked them :?:

if its your country and y living next to yr enemy and they just enter yr country without any reasons,,u will leave them go like that and croose yr country's board :?:


they can find solution by meeting each other ..

they should switch their prisons :idea:

like usual arabic had their meeting,nothing new for us ,,,,they will never do anything :?

we will sea whats the days hiding for us..


what we should do is pray for them and ask allah to help them

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Post by Danyet » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:54 am

I would say that Israel has a really good reason to go into Lebanon to kill Hezbolla.

(1)They have been sending rockets into Israel for a long time now about 800 so far,

(2) they killed 6 IDF soldiers,

(3)They kidnapped two IDF soldiers and are holding them in Lebanon.

Hezbolla has refused to free the soldiers so Hezbolla is getting what they deserve.

So yes, I'd say that Israel has a very good reason to go into Lebanon and kill whoever they have to in order to get them back.

I could only wish that someone would do that for me!

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Post by eman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:29 am

come on :shock:
everyday isreal killing plastain and lebonan and they have from the last war prisons...and u worry about this few solider ...they are ok with hezallah they behave with them in good way...
if they want their solider ..ok they can switch their prison not to attacked free country and local people....they can meet them and try to find solution

hezb allah are the soldier ,they trying to defend their country

by the way isreal are used to kill people,,,, :roll:

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Post by Dixie » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:40 am

That's not new, Tora. The world's been crazy for decades...

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Israel has no reason to go into Lebanon

Post by GJG » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:51 am

danyet wrote:I would say that Israel has a really good reason to go into Lebanon to kill Hezbolla.

(1)They have been sending rockets into Israel for a long time now about 800 so far,

(2) they killed 6 IDF soldiers,

(3)They kidnapped two IDF soldiers and are holding them in Lebanon.

Hezbolla has refused to free the soldiers so Hezbolla is getting what they deserve.

So yes, I'd say that Israel has a very good reason to go into Lebanon and kill whoever they have to in order to get them back.

I could only wish that someone would do that for me!

Israel is killing too much innocent people! :lol:

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Post by Danyet » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:04 pm

How would you know what Israel is doing? YOu live in a country where the News is what ever your corrupt government lets you hear!

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:09 pm

hy danyet:
tell me ?
if you have many of captives from the citizen of your country in the enemy , and you are trying all the time by negotiations to make them free, and most of them old-men and old-women, and you assure about that this enemy do not treatment them well, and you ask from the unites nation to free them but without advantage , because the united nation under control USA, and USA stand up with israel against arab.
so what will you should do in this case , in my opinion i must captivating soldiers from the country of my enemy then start negotiation from beginning..
so do you know that in israel there are 11,000 captive from lebanon , and in lebanon there are 2 soldiers from israel.
now tell me how wants this war (israel or hezb-allah )?????????????

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:13 pm

hy danyet:
tell me ?
if you have many of captives from the citizen of your country in country of enemy , and you are trying all the time by negotiations to make them free, and most of them old-men and old-women, and you assure about that this enemy do not treatment them well, and you ask from the united nations to free them but without advantage , because the united nations under control USA, and USA stand up with israel against arab.
so what will you should do in this case , in my opinion i must captivating soldiers from the country of my enemy then start negotiation from beginning..
so do you know that in israel there are 11,000 captive from lebanon , and in lebanon there are 2 soldiers from israel.
now tell me how wants this war (israel or hezb-allah )?????????????

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VOA

Post by GJG » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:19 pm

danyet wrote:How would you know what Israel is doing? YOu live in a country where the News is what ever your corrupt government lets you hear!
Hi,
Every morning, I listen to the radio VOA, is it from corrupt goverment?? :lol:

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:20 pm

hy LennyeTran:
if you are racial,
do not make yourself weary to talk about freedom , human rights and you are fighting the terrorism . because that will be making you hypocrite.

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:24 pm

corrupt government...
this is good description to government G.W.Bosh

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Post by Danyet » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:28 pm

GJG wrote:
danyet wrote:How would you know what Israel is doing? YOu live in a country where the News is what ever your corrupt government lets you hear!
Hi,
Every morning, I listen to the radio VOA, is it from corrupt goverment?? :lol:
Sorry, I meant your brain must be corrupt then!

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Post by Danyet » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:36 pm

zaman wrote:hy danyet:
tell me ?
if you have many of captives from the citizen of your country in country of enemy , and you are trying all the time by negotiations to make them free, and most of them old-men and old-women, and you assure about that this enemy do not treatment them well, and you ask from the united nations to free them but without advantage , because the united nations under control USA, and USA stand up with israel against arab.
so what will you should do in this case , in my opinion i must captivating soldiers from the country of my enemy then start negotiation from beginning..
so do you know that in israel there are 11,000 captive from lebanon , and in lebanon there are 2 soldiers from israel.
now tell me how wants this war (israel or hezb-allah )?????????????
1) Hezbolla was amassing huge stockpiles of weapons along the Israel border.

2) USA does not controll the UN

3) UN resolution said for Hezbolla to get out of Lebabnon

4) Many lebanese want Hezbolla out TOO!

5) Why don't you go to S. Lebanon and wait for a nice Israeli bomb to fall into your lap?

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:03 pm

1- yes UN under control USA
2- most of lebanon wants hezballah to stay in leabanon cause hezballah has soldiers from citezen lebanon .
3- hezballah is resistance movment cause farmer of shiba to lebanon not lands of israeli and until now it is still invader.
4- arab we like live in our country by our dignity espacially WHO are believe in ALLAH and paradise.
5- why you not go to tel aviv and wait until the katiosha rocket from heaballah to exploding you .
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله عاش حزب الله وعاشت لبنان

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:22 pm

so live live lebanon and hezballah
down down USA & israel

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:26 pm

danyet wrote
3) UN resolution said for Hezbolla to get out of Lebabnon .


cause the unite nations under control USA , and USA wants this from hezballah
victory to hezballah insha-allah

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:50 pm

zaman wrote:hy LennyeTran:
if you are racial,
do not make yourself weary to talk about freedom , human rights and you are fighting the terrorism . because that will be making you hypocrite.
If you believe in your Koran, do not talk about peace and no wars here and there. Oopss, am I saying it too loud? :lol:

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:05 pm

yes i believe in al-quran because i believe in ALLAH , and my quran order me to talk about peace and fight a evil , and i am asking from you do not run away from the right answering .

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:08 pm

Well, you sound like a hypocrite just as much as you think I do to me since I don't see no peace or whatsover from the Koran.

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:25 pm

no i am not hypocrite and I hope do not be , the quran said to us a hypocrite will be in the hell .
so if you read al-quran tell me how many surah in it , i am ask you this question cause I want to know if you know something about it or no .

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:40 pm

Yeah, and the Koran says all sort of things, but do you really follow it? Excuse me, cross that question out. It's a stupid question. You must have been since there's been some verbal arguments in the Middle East forum just like in reality.

In reality, they bomb each other in the Middle East. Here, we attack each other with words. In reality, you guys marched demanding to kill the ones who drew some moronic pictures about your prophet. Here, you demanded to kick Danyet out of EC or personally insulted him because he's said something about your prophet you don't like. In reality, what Hitler had done disgust people. Here, some dudes actually think Hitler was not "that bad". Et cetera. How pathetic!

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:14 pm

No, it is no necessary the people will be with you in the same opinion ,
but there is something you can not watch it deflecting and scoffing our ideologies or something hers affair by our religions this is our duty trend our religion and our prophet .
we hate to attack to anyone but if someone attack us or attack in out religion and our ideologies we must defence for our self .

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:28 pm

Don't you see how ridiculous and hypocritical statement it is? You cannot fight others in the name of religion. Even when you're trying to defend yourself about your belief. Your religious belief is your faith. Therefore, you cannot devalue it with nonsensical fights.

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Post by zaman » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:51 am

No, i can not fight anyone just to selling off or to satisfay my self , but as you know i must fight for my religion because that is imposing and duty to defence for my religion .
and i do not think that will be kind of hypocrite.

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Post by MissLT » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:53 pm

zaman wrote:No, i can not fight anyone just to selling off or to satisfay my self , but as you know i must fight for my religion because that is imposing and duty to defence for my religion .
and i do not think that will be kind of hypocrite.
And hence the Middle hasn't been in peace, or this world has gone mad. No, it's not entirely true. It's just some parts of the world has been mad. Anyways, good luck defending your religion since the more you do it, the more it'll make people stick to their opinions about Islam.

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Post by zaman » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:30 pm

so you must know that i can not imagine myself read anything fleer in my religion and asking from me stand up and watch without any reaction .
because my religion as for me like your opinion towards your country , family , mother, father, my religion as for everything in this life , and i give to it all my priorities to defence for it . anyhow that is my opinion can not any person make me change it .
because we are in at the right line , and others !!!

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Post by MissLT » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:10 pm

I don't care if people insult me in any other aspects (especially religion or patriotism) except my family. I will defend for my family members because of two simply reasons: one, blood is thicker than water; two, no one can come to me and start talking bad about my family out of nowhere. Whatever I have to discuss with someone is my business with that person. My family members are innocent to be insulted. Therefore, I can understand why when people try to defend for their family members, but I do not understand why they would defend for their religion. Not all people share the same faith; hence, what's the need to fight for it? Love for your family, on the other hand, is totally different-- everyone has it in them. Some are just more or less than the others. Love for your family or love in general is more powerful than any religion in any form.

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Post by Danyet » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:09 pm

It's the mere source of all disorder in the Middle East
Why? Because it exists? I think you have a serious attitude problem.

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Post by fortminor » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:44 pm

I think Israel just want to kill people and women and children without any good reason.
does anybody really know the reason ?

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Post by Danyet » Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:50 am

fortminor wrote: does anybody really know the reason ?
I do!

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Post by Dixie » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:00 am

fortminor wrote:I think Israel just want to kill people and women and children without any good reason.
:shock: :shock: Excuse me, women and children are NOT people???

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Post by zaman » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:45 am

danyet
if you really know the reason tell us about it to discuss this with each other.
????????????

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Post by zaman » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:51 am

The specific reason makes me to defence in my religion and give all my priorities to defence for it, this is because I like my prophet and ALLAH more than my family and myself.

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Post by MissLT » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:39 pm

zaman wrote:The specific reason makes me to defence in my religion and give all my priorities to defence for it, this is because I like my prophet and ALLAH more than my family and myself.
What did he do to you? Brought you to this world and raised you since you were a child? Cared for you when you were sick? Got you in college? Gave you the unconditional love? Would die for you if he had to? The answers are no, no, no, no, no, no. To me, it's mindless to see someone choose their religion over family. :roll:

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Post by Danyet » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:47 pm

fortminor wrote:I think Israel just want to kill people and women and children without any good reason.
does anybody really know the reason ?
There are always children killed in war!

Tell me of even one war throughout all history where no children and innocent people were unintentionally killed..

The difference between Israel and Hezbolla is that Hezbolla intentionally has been sending rockets into Israeli cities with the intent on killing civilians to create havoc and terror. They do not seek to destroy military targets, just the people in general.

While Israel sends written warning in advance that they are going to bomb. They drop leaflets and post warning first that tell the people to get away to safety.

Israel is targeting places where Hezbolla keep weapons. Hezbolla keeps weapons in peoples houses. Israel does not.

Hezbolla wants Israeli land. Israel wants none of lebanon.

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Post by fortminor » Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:22 pm

Ok...let me tell the reason for you: :wink:
The story begins since two Israeli soldiers illegally entered farms of south Lebanon, consequently Hezbollah captured them! In Medias (which you have given your reason from) , this was showed and reported without the first sentence (two Israeli soldiers illegally entered farms of south Lebanon) they just told that Hezbollah captured two of them over and over again :!: :!: :!:

Moreover, Israel always claims that he's human-lover, although in several bombards Israel used phosphoric bombs (that are illegal) which is a kind of chemic bomb and has stable influences on people's health till a long time. :cry:

In recent meeting of Security Counsel a proclamation against Israel was offered which 10 countries accepted, and just ONE country did not! And I wonder how that “one country” had the power to cancel and Veto it! (USA) :!: :!: :?: :!:
Is it fair that “one country” deny 10 other Ideas? :!: :?: Is it that promised democracy or equality? :!: :?:

I myself watch BBC, FOX news, CNN, VOA... to compare. None of them has reported phosphoric bombards and so many other cold-blooded acts of Israel! Because it’s against their policy! They have to work hard to hide the truth.

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Post by fortminor » Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:28 pm

Dixie wrote:
fortminor wrote:I think Israel just want to kill people and women and children without any good reason.
:shock: :shock: Excuse me, women and children are NOT people???
:lol: you're right.i have to delet people. But actually they're defenceless people!

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Post by Dixie » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:40 am

fortminor wrote: :lol: you're right.i have to delet people. But actually they're defenceless people!
So women cannot defend ourselves? Come here and I will kick your ass! And we'll see who can't defend himself! :evil: How dare you.

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Post by fortminor » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:28 am

Dixie wrote:
fortminor wrote: :lol: you're right.i have to delet people. But actually they're defenceless people!
So women cannot defend ourselves? Come here and I will kick your ass! And we'll see who can't defend himself! :evil: How dare you.
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Oh.C' mon ... Im also a woman :D I can defend myself maybe.but suppose a mother who's worry about her children to be defended! Aint hard for her to defend herself and her children? :cry:

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Post by Dixie » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:37 am

fortminor wrote: Oh.C' mon ... Im also a woman :D I can defend myself maybe.but suppose a mother who's worry about her children to be defended! Aint hard for her to defend herself and her children? :cry:
Sorry I thought you were another of those sexist guys. But anyway, I think a mother who has to defend her children will be even stronger and get strenght from nowhere! Defending our children is in our blood, I think. Even the weakest one could defeat anyone when it comes to defending our kids.

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Post by fortminor » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:42 am

Dixie wrote:
fortminor wrote: Oh.C' mon ... Im also a woman :D I can defend myself maybe.but suppose a mother who's worry about her children to be defended! Aint hard for her to defend herself and her children? :cry:
Sorry I thought you were another of those sexist guys. But anyway, I think a mother who has to defend her children will be even stronger and get strenght from nowhere! Defending our children is in our blood, I think. Even the weakest one could defeat anyone when it comes to defending our kids.
Your extremely right,Dixie.My mother always tell me this.I donnu what's that ...maybe when i became a mother ill find out better :wink:
but i really feel pity for them...that power cannot do anything when facing some soldiers with gun :cry:

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Post by Dixie » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:45 am

fortminor wrote: but i really feel pity for them...that power cannot do anything when facing some soldiers with gun :cry:
Nobody can do anything against guns...

I wish someday guns and weapons were eradicated from the world... I wish they would just disappear. You'd see how it all would end...

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Post by fortminor » Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:46 am

me too. But I think its impossible. :(

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Post by MissLT » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:57 pm

Dixie wrote:
fortminor wrote: :lol: you're right.i have to delet people. But actually they're defenceless people!
So women cannot defend ourselves? Come here and I will kick your ass! And we'll see who can't defend himself! :evil: How dare you.
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes! Now this is what I'm talking about. Just when I was starting to think you couldn't even break a glass you surprised me with this. Don't show this side of you to Jordi for his own sake. :wink: :twisted:

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Post by Dixie » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:44 pm

LennyeTran wrote: Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes! Now this is what I'm talking about. Just when I was starting to think you couldn't even break a glass you surprised me with this. Don't show this side of you to Jordi for his own sake. :wink: :twisted:
He knows this side of mine and always wants me to calm down :evil: He knows I can't stand sexism and other "-isms" that only mean to put differences among people.

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:07 pm

yes all what did you said exit in al-quran . and i have belived ink al-quran my prophet and allah .

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Post by Tora » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:59 pm

I don't know why talking again about religion. :? Israel is attacking Lebanon... still.
I thought that Israel is enough wise not to start a war and I don't know why the whole population, new-born kids are responsible for what some terroristic groups do. I know that not all the country's territory can stay under control of the authorities and blame lebanese and crush their houses - no, I don't think it's right.

I'm more impressed with what is going on in Georgia - russain south neighbour. Georgia - Abkhazia conflict. You know about two new (not very new but still) presidents In Ukraine and Georgia. I can't stand them both - it seems they do their best to make the people and relationship with Russia poorer. I don't care much about the relationship, but I simply don't understand why the government is so merciless to it's people. I don't like mister Saakashvilli speaking English while his nation is going to listen to him and understand georgian. that's weird

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Post by MissLT » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:04 pm

Your post reminds me of something, Tora. If Earth was indeed a reality tv show (like it was in one SouthPark episode), it was a Jerry Springer show. :twisted:

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Post by zaman » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:50 pm

yes you are right Tora
we must start to talk about the war in lebanon , do you know the reason for israel to that
because it wants to stop all the resistance movements in GAZA and south of lebanon , and I think that is more impossible to stop that .
because it is forget that they are earth in lebanon and GAZA still invader

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Post by vince90 » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:29 pm

Why do we care now since the mess of the Middle East has been lingering for a long time? It never works for both sides when people talk about diplomacy and peace. I am really, sick and tire of it. Forget about it! You can’t help it but just make it worse. Who give a $hit about the Jews, the Palestinians and the others who is involved. Let them do what ever they want. It doesn’t matter anymore. :twisted: :twisted: Life is short, let live and enjoy people!

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Post by Danyet » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:20 pm

vince90 wrote:Why do we care now since the mess of the Middle East has been lingering for a long time?

We have to pay attention to this because it affects the entire world.

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Post by vince90 » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:41 pm

I heard you man, but I am running out of patience. I don’t see there is a way out of it and I can’t take it anymore. :(

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