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We're all responsible
F*** Israel, f*** Iran, f*** America, f*** Hizbollah, f*** England, f*** Al'Qaeda, f*** Canada... F*** Allah, f*** Christ, f*** Bahola, f*** Moses... F*** you and f*** me..... Innocent blood is on all our hands. 37 dead children = 48 hour ceasfire. How many more to end the war?
f*** = free
f*** = free
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I heard you man.essie wrote:F*** Israel, f*** Iran, f*** America, f*** Hizbollah, f*** England, f*** Al'Qaeda, f*** Canada... F*** Allah, f*** Christ, f*** Bahola, f*** Moses... F*** you and f*** me..... Innocent blood is on all our hands. 37 dead children = 48 hour ceasfire. How many more to end the war?
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From you? No, thank you.essie wrote: Well you need to be f***d....
I can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic or not. :?essie wrote: We all do. As long as we define ourselves different from others, nobody will be F***.
I did. It selected all. :?essie wrote:BTW go to my original post and press "control + a".. Read again.
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meaning never changed :P... It's always been the same.. You just assumed I was saying something else.. The word "free" has become so abused that it's become a swear word in modern day English... So I feel obligated to sensor it.
If you read back you'll notice that, in past tense instances, I used "f***d" and not "f***ed". There were several times where the word "fU(*" would not have made any sense... But regardless> We're all responsible for the killings around the world. What have we done to stop it?
If you read back you'll notice that, in past tense instances, I used "f***d" and not "f***ed". There were several times where the word "fU(*" would not have made any sense... But regardless> We're all responsible for the killings around the world. What have we done to stop it?
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Did I look like I cared to go into this little detail when my mind was stuck on f***?essie wrote:
If you read back you'll notice that, in past tense instances, I used "f***d" and not "f***ed".
I think the "we" is a bit extravagating here. I mean, can each one of us or "we" tell them to stop by protesting, cussing, re-electing, etc.? Of course, not. What have we done to stop it is a vague question to me.essie wrote: But regardless> We're all responsible for the killings around the world. What have we done to stop it?
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That's just it, our greed has caused so much destruction that we can't even think of a solution. And if "we" is too general for you, that's because it was meant to be. Every single person on this planet is responsible for its current state. Our need to define ourselves seperate from others, and to deviate responsibility is a tool for destruction. Destruction of lives, of the environment, and of morality. We are no better than they nor they than us. We are they and they are responsible.
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No, it's not it. I do not work for the government and neither do you. "We" don't make decisions of which country our countries should bomb next. "We" don't have greed to think of a way to raise the taxes or cheat our people with lies. We do not have those problems. Therefore, it's not our responsibilities to think of solutions when "we" didn't start the whole thing with greed.essie wrote: That's just it, our greed has caused so much destruction that we can't even think of a solution.
How could it be? I just don't get it. When people protested against the Vietnam war, did it stop right away? When people protested against Iraq war, did it stop right away? When people protested...? The answer is no, no, no, and will be no. When it comes to wars, there are always a "we" and "they" to me. Pick your side because that's how it is.essie wrote: And if "we" is too general for you, that's because it was meant to be.
I'm not responsible for those kids who died in Middle East or anyone died anywhere. "They" are responsible for those causes. I ain't gonnna blame myself because it's negative. Instead, I will blame them.essie wrote: Every single person on this planet is responsible for its current state.
Excuse me? I'm not gonna blame myself for something others have done. I'm not gonna throw what can we do to stop it?, how could we help to stop?, what have we done to help? blah blah blah to make myself a person with a good moral. I will help when it's in my range to help. Otherwise, it's "other's" business.essie wrote:Our need to define ourselves seperate from others, and to deviate responsibility is a tool for destruction. Destruction of lives, of the environment, and of morality.
If "we" haven't thought of killing innocent ones with destructive methods, "we"'re better than them.essie wrote:We are no better than they nor they than us. We are they and they are responsible.
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Just you left. So go take care of it. Wackjob!essie wrote: How many more to end the war?
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Jeesh! What a rediculous thread.
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Lennye...
There is something you can do about the destruction in this world.. We can all make changes, but we choose not to because we're raised greedy. Would you give a significant portion of your money and some of everything you own to save a helpless child in Africa? I'm not gonna lie, I'm not any better than you. We can help, but we don't..
There is something you can do about the destruction in this world.. We can all make changes, but we choose not to because we're raised greedy. Would you give a significant portion of your money and some of everything you own to save a helpless child in Africa? I'm not gonna lie, I'm not any better than you. We can help, but we don't..
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lol... in comes the mighty knowitall danyet. He knows more than us all. Disagree with him and be swarmed with insults! ... Cool off a little.danyet wrote:Just you left. So go take care of it. Wackjob!essie wrote: How many more to end the war?
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Jeesh! What a rediculous thread.
You and I disagree on many things, but I'm sure we agree on one thing. We wish that it would all end. Whatever your view on the war, I know you don't agree with the killings of innocent people, children... In Israel, Lebanon or Palestine. ... Innocent people are the ones suffering more than anyone else in this world.
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How much can "we" help when "they" are responsible for those helpless kids? When you've finished helping this kid, there'll be another kid dying. The problem will be forever the same if "they" don't realize they're the ones who f*** up those kids' lives.essie wrote:Lennye...
There is something you can do about the destruction in this world.. We can all make changes, but we choose not to because we're raised greedy. Would you give a significant portion of your money and everything you own to save a helpless child in Africa? I'm not gonna lie, I'm not any better than you. We can help, but we don't..
Let's see the US's population is ~230 millions. If one of us could just give a dollar, there would be ~230 million dollars in donation. However, if "they" used this donation for themsevles only, the African kids would still end up in poverty and starvation. Tell me, how many times do we have to donate that one dollar if they never change their ways to govern their countries?
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Why donate to an organization? Why not just go to Africa and buy the child the things she needs? We could always spend some time, do some research, find out where independant doctors are operating around the world and send them money. A Paramedic in Toronto went to all the hospitals, collected their old and unwanted equipment and took it all to Cambodian cities that were in need of the equipment. Two French physical therapists went to Laos and helped wounded children. They also helped demine mine fields. They were creative, they spent time, money and thought for people in need. I agree with you in that usually, protesting doesnt bring on much change, but if no Americans spoke out against the Vietnam war, do you think The soldiers would have left as early? If Ghandi didn't speak up, would England have pulled out of India.. If men such as Malcom X and Martin Luther didn't protest.. etc etc.
We've become so good at copping out. I do it ..
We've become so good at copping out. I do it ..
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I'm not going to be a hippocrate. I could easily help a whole village of people... I can afford to live a few notches lower on the financial ladder. I know I should, but I don't... Just like most others. It takes someone really special to give so much. It shouldn't be this way, we should all want to..
We're not giving and we're not encouraging our government to give. We ask for more, they in turn take more. As much I despise the sight of him, we can't blame Bush for bombing the hell out of Iraq, because we asked for it wether verbally or through our actions.
We're not giving and we're not encouraging our government to give. We ask for more, they in turn take more. As much I despise the sight of him, we can't blame Bush for bombing the hell out of Iraq, because we asked for it wether verbally or through our actions.
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And you think others don't do it? American students in health areas can go to Third World countries to volunteer. There are people who adopt kids from those countries. There are people who sponsor kids from those countries so they could study abroad. People are not selfish, but we're not responsible for their poverty and starvation. Their governments do. We can't just help while those people do nothing to change. They have to meet us half way in order for things to work.essie wrote: Why donate to an organization? Why not just go to Africa and buy the child the things she needs? We could always spend some time, do some research, find out where independant doctors are operating around the world and send them money. A Paramedic in Toronto went to all the hospitals, collected their old and unwanted equipment and took it all to Cambodian cities that were in need of the equipment. Two French physical therapists went to Laos and helped wounded children. They also helped demine mine fields. They were creative, they spent time, money and thought for people in need.
Before I answer your would have question, please tell me the reason why they left?essie wrote:I agree with you in that usually, protesting doesnt bring on much change, but if no Americans spoke out against the Vietnam war, do you think The soldiers would have left as early?
See, this is where I think you and I are so much different in opinions. I do not think those leaders were the reason why those things had stopped. Yes, they did speak out, but blood was still dripping all over for years. Ironically enough you can't return peace without wars .essie wrote:If Ghandi didn't speak up, would England have pulled out of India.. If men such as Malcom X and Martin Luther didn't protest.. etc etc.
We've become so good at copping out. I do it ..
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As indirect as it may be, we are greatly responsible. We consume more than we need, while they don't have enough to last a day.LennyeTran wrote: but we're not responsible for their poverty and starvation.
Many reasons... The huge lack of support did play a role...Before I answer your would have question, please tell me the reason why they left?
They weren't the reason and nothing completely "stopped", I agree, but they were motivation and they made a difference.See, this is where I think you and I are so much different in opinions. I do not think those leaders were the reason why those things had stopped. Yes, they did speak out, but blood was still dripping all over for years.
lol.. Peace? I have yet to see it, all I've witnessed so far is war.Ironically enough you can't return peace without wars .
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Oh please!!!! Just Stop it. Can I borrow your hat? I think I'm going to be sick!essie wrote:meaning never changed :P... It's always been the same.. You just assumed I was saying something else.. The word "free" has become so abused that it's become a swear word in modern day English... So I feel obligated to sensor it.
If you read back you'll notice that, in past tense instances, I used "f***d" and not "f***ed". There were several times where the word "fU(*" would not have made any sense... But regardless> We're all responsible for the killings around the world. What have we done to stop it?
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Totally agree with you. The hole in the bucket needs to be fixed in order to hold the water. Most of poor countries have their own political crisis or run by a corruption government. We do have many charities and organizations around the world helping these people. However it will not resolve the issue, unless they fix themselves first. These countries need to have a clean leaders who willing to work and care for their people, not for themselves. Look at Somalia how they screw up their own countryLennyeTran wrote: How much can "we" help when "they" are responsible for those helpless kids? When you've finished helping this kid, there'll be another kid dying. The problem will be forever the same if "they" don't realize they're the ones who f*** up those kids' lives.
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I like him because he isn’t a liberal, he is a true terrorist fighter and he talks what he means. What I don’t like him because he does not have ability to resolve the issue quick enough, not withdraw troops after WMD investigating ended and he does not have a clear plan what he is doing. Yeah! It’s worse when he speaks in public. :D
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In todays society, it doesn't matter who you vote for. If the governing people (the deadly rich) need someone like Bush they'll make it so, if they needed Al Gore then he would have been president. There's no good and bad for them, it's all about who can help them get what they need.
I have faith that this will change one day...
I have faith that this will change one day...
It's all about religion and history.
The early spanish settlers of the "American" continent had to settle the whole continent. Through the adventure in combating Indians AND in making a wilderness into a civilised village, the American value came up. Then the settlers weren't spanish any more, but American. That's why Americans like to combat, it's already in the history.
And how did the spanish come on the idea to settle a whole continent? Because the early spanish settlers were very catholic. (We learned in school that Catholic religion demands a lot of self-will and solving problems by their own) To my mind that's why they succeeded in populating a whole continent.
And now many Americans still have that feeling to do everything by their own, and to fight the ones who challenges them.
Religion amd history, used as reasons for war, are the real causes of war. Religion should be modernised, and history should be seen as something which is over.
The early spanish settlers of the "American" continent had to settle the whole continent. Through the adventure in combating Indians AND in making a wilderness into a civilised village, the American value came up. Then the settlers weren't spanish any more, but American. That's why Americans like to combat, it's already in the history.
And how did the spanish come on the idea to settle a whole continent? Because the early spanish settlers were very catholic. (We learned in school that Catholic religion demands a lot of self-will and solving problems by their own) To my mind that's why they succeeded in populating a whole continent.
And now many Americans still have that feeling to do everything by their own, and to fight the ones who challenges them.
Religion amd history, used as reasons for war, are the real causes of war. Religion should be modernised, and history should be seen as something which is over.
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Yeah, it really is a strange thing in the history of the catholicism, this awful attitude everyone who believes in something else is "barbarian" and has to be "evangelized". Just awful.. But I don't think it's a matter of a specific religion, this way of thinking (our religion is the best, our way of living is the best, and everyone should live like we do!) can be found all over the world. Sadly enough...