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danyet wrote:
Seafarer wrote:Danyet..it is a "wrong" interpretation of my words
I am not a terrorist and will never support them
I did not interpret your words.
1 It is a proven fact that Mohammed was a terrorist and murderer to his enemies

2 Islam is based on "support" for Mohammed.

3 You are Muslim

= 4 You support terrorism.
:lol: it remind me this :
Teacher: if A=B, B=C then A=C can u tell one more example of this type
Student : I love my teacher, teacher loves his daughter, so i love my teacher's daughter...


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it's proven just for you and your gang.Not Me or ...
prove it If you can !
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fortminor wrote:
it's proven just for you and your gang.Not Me or ...
prove it If you can !
:D
It is proven by history. The fact that Mohammed murdered his detractors is admitted even by Islam.

If you want to stand by a murderer because of your emotional but irrational thinking, then no one can stop you but don't expect me or others to stand idle and let you sing this mass murderer's praises as though he were a hero.
Mohammed was the epitomy of evil. A wolf in sheeps clothing. Just look at how his religion has destroyed everything that it touches.
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danyet wrote:
fortminor wrote:
it's proven just for you and your gang.Not Me or ...
prove it If you can !
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It is proven by history. The fact that Mohammed murdered his detractors is admitted even by Islam.
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really? where?
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As we talk a lot about religions, why not tell something about American religion?

President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State.
'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"
As Bush is a Christ, as he is the president of America vote by his folksmen, and as Bush is using Christianity to legalise his Iraq-War, we can combine Christianity with war. The men who start war because of oil are called criminals, but here we can also call them terrorist.

1 So it is a proven fact that Bush is a terrorist and murder to his enemies.

2 The majority of the American folk is based on "support" for Bush.

3 Danyet is American

= 4 Danyet supports at least one terrorist.

PS: oh yeah, I forgot the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... bush.shtml

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danyet wrote:Seafarer wrote:
Danyet..it is a "wrong" interpretation of my words
I am not a terrorist and will never support them

I did not interpret your words.
1 It is a proven fact that Mohammed was a terrorist and murderer to his enemies

2 Islam is based on "support" for Mohammed.

3 You are Muslim

= 4 You support at least one terrorist
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Go and read something about Mohammed and Turkey. danyet.U act like a real terrorist on the forum
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Admiral wrote: 1 So it is a proven fact that Bush is a terrorist and murder to his enemies.

2 The majority of the American folk is based on "support" for Bush.

3 Danyet is American

= 4 Danyet supports at least one terrorist.

PS: oh yeah, I forgot the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... bush.shtml
:lol: speaking by his lang!
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The White House has dismissed as "absurd" allegations made in a BBC TV series that President Bush claimed God told him to invade Iraq.

"He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

And I say that you are "absurd" too!
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fortminor wrote:
danyet wrote:
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it's proven just for you and your gang.Not Me or ...
prove it If you can !
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It is proven by history. The fact that Mohammed murdered his detractors is admitted even by Islam.
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really? where?
How many times do I have to post on the same issue? If you, as a Muslim, do not know what Mohammed did during his lifetime then you surely have no knowledge of Islam and can not really be a true practicing Muslim. Go do your own research on the atrocities of Mohammed. You won't believe me anyway. Then perhaps we can talk!
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Admiral wrote: 2 The majority of the American folk is based on "support" for Bush.

3 Danyet is American
It would be wise if you start to explain those sentences now.
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I've done my reasearch about Islam and I know more than ya 'bout it.

and the reason why I asked ya is I've never heard :
The fact that Mohammed murdered his detractors is admitted even by Islam.
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fortminor wrote:I've done my reasearch about Islam and I know more than ya 'bout it.

and the reason why I asked ya is I've never heard :
The fact that Mohammed murdered his detractors is admitted even by Islam.
If you knew more than me then you would at least know what i was talking about.
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Oh.I know. You're just talking about your opinions toward Islam
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fortminor wrote:Oh.I know. You're just talking about your opinions toward Islam
Listen, you don't add anything much to this thread with your arguing. You have posted nothing to back your statements. Everybody (except for you) knows that Mohammed beheaded 700 to 900 Jewish captives who had surrendered to him from Medina.

Instead of your whining about opinions, why don't you prove he didn't, if you can?
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danyet wrote:
fortminor wrote:Oh.I know. You're just talking about your opinions toward Islam
Listen, you don't add anything much to this thread with your arguing. You have posted nothing to back your statements. Everybody (except for you) knows that Mohammed beheaded 700 to 900 Jewish captives who had surrendered to him from Medina.

Instead of your whining about opinions, why don't you prove he didn't, if you can?
I dont wanna change your opinions by proving my statements or ... !
Quran is my document ,you dont accept it though.
I've read Quran ...and I just accept that . Not the nonsenses that Israel or USA inject to your brain!

P.S.we are not here to force each other to change opinions, but you use this forum for changing people's minds and forcing them to accept your opinions toward Islam and so many other things with your unti-islamic posts ! got it ? :roll:
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zaman:
hy jhon , how are you ?
jhon: fine , thanks , what about you?
zaman: i am fine , thanks.
jhon: what is up.
zaman: nothing i was just watched TV.about the war in lebanon .
jhon: is there any surrprise news ?
zaman: yes, i heard that israel and USA are states call convocation for the peace and fight terrorism
jhon: really , you are must joke, hahhahhahhahhahahh, i can not believe that,how this things happen ? so the must for USA and israel fight themselves then.
zaman: yes you are right?
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Miss Tran wrote:Admiral wrote:

2 The majority of the American folk is based on "support" for Bush.

3 Danyet is American


It would be wise if you start to explain those sentences now.
I think I don't have to explain, Bush has won in his duel with Kerry because Bush insisted to continue his war against terrorism.

For more explanation please ask your cute boyfriend what he meant in his post at Aug 4 3:29 pm.
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I think we shouldn't shout at each other like the presidents in the elections.
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fortminor wrote: Quran is my document ,

So you you have not read Hadith or you don't believe them??


fortminor wrote: I've read Quran ...and I just accept that . Not the nonsenses that Israel or USA inject to your brain!
USA did not inject anything. USA still foolishly believes that Islam is a peaceful religion.


fortminor wrote: but you use this forum for changing people's minds and forcing them to accept your opinions toward Islam and so many other things with your unti-islamic posts
Yes, exactly!
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danyet wrote:
fortminor wrote: Quran is my document ,

So you you have not read Hadith or you don't believe them??


fortminor wrote: I've read Quran ...and I just accept that . Not the nonsenses that Israel or USA inject to your brain!
USA did not inject anything. USA still foolishly believes that Islam is a peaceful religion.


fortminor wrote: but you use this forum for changing people's minds and forcing them to accept your opinions toward Islam and so many other things with your unti-islamic posts
Yes, exactly!
Ive read also Hadith ... But Quran include everything! Its so perfect. some Hadiths are fake .(some of your colleage had make them :lol: )

dosent even matter USA injects that nonsenses or Israel ! the important point is -as you said -you seem like their slave ! :lol: so go on with your unti-islamic posts :lol: Nobody's goin to believe ya ! :lol:
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Oh so some of my colleagues wrote Hadith? I wonder how they did that since Hadith was written centuries ago By Muslims!!!!

It is funny how when Muslims are presented with Hadith that contradicts the supposed "peacefulnes" of Islam they say "well that is not a real Hadith" but then they use the same Hadith for their own purpose in the Mosks!!

What do you say about Hadith written by Aisha, child bride of Mohammed, is that a fake Hadith?
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Fortunately we do not need Hadith to prove that Mohammed was no prophet of God. We can use a relatively Muslim friendly site of Wikipedia to show the faults ot this tyrant.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza#Hadith
The killing of the Banu Qurayza men
Ibn Ishaq describes the killing of the Banu Qurayza men as follows:
Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, 'By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.' Then he went to the men and said, 'God's command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.' Then he sat down and his head was struck off.
The spoils of battle, including the enslaved women and children of the tribe, were divided up among Muhammad's followers, with Muhammad himself receiving a fifth of the value (as khums, to be used for the public good). Some of these were sold soon after to raise funds for jihad.
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Admiral wrote:
Miss Tran wrote:Admiral wrote:

2 The majority of the American folk is based on "support" for Bush.

3 Danyet is American


It would be wise if you start to explain those sentences now.
I think I don't have to explain, Bush has won in his duel with Kerry because Bush insisted to continue his war against terrorism.

For more explanation please ask your cute boyfriend what he meant in his post at Aug 4 3:29 pm.
Either you didn't understand his post or you denied to understand it, whatever. The bottom line is your example has nothing to do with his.

Muslims worship Mohammed with their every breath. It's against their law to question his actions or the Koran. It's not their choice to choose to worship Mohammed or not. It's a must.

Americans, on the other hand, have a choice to choose whether they should believe in or vote for baby Bush. They don't worship him. In fact, they have their rights to question his actions, beliefs, how he leads America, etc.

In Danyet's eyes Mohammed was a terrorist. And since Muslims are born to believe in Mohammed, don't have the right to question whom they worship, or can't choose to leave it, that means they indirect support the terrorist. This is what he meant.

Americans have the right to choose whom they should put in office. Not all Americans support baby Bush. However, you said Danyet is American to prove that all Americans support baby Bush. I wonder how yours and his is connected....
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danyet wrote: It is funny how when Muslims are presented with Hadith that contradicts the supposed "peacefulnes" of Islam they say "well that is not a real Hadith" but then they use the same Hadith for their own purpose in the Mosks!!
Example please ???? :roll:
What do you say about Hadith written by Aisha, child bride of Mohammed, is that a fake Hadith?
I dont accept Aisha's Hadith ! Hadith is somethin written by Prophets or Imams! not each person!
there's so many historical douments for some acceptable Hadiths.
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Muslims worship Mohammed with their every breath. It's against their law to question his actions or

the Koran. It's not their choice to choose to worship Mohammed or not. It's a must.

In Danyet's eyes Mohammed was a terrorist. And since Muslims are born to believe in Mohammed,

don't have the right to question whom they worship, or can't choose to leave it, that means they

indirect support the terrorist. This is what he meant.

No Len,It's not true. i'll quote the exct verse from Koran:

2:256

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error.
And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm hand hold
which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.


people has the right too choose.even a person who born in muslim family can change his/her religion
when he/she grow up.
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Because fortminor said what I wanted to say I don't want to repeat the same things again.
Lennye wrote:In Danyet's eyes Mohammed was a terrorist. And since Muslims are born to believe in Mohammed, don't have the right to question whom they worship, or can't choose to leave it, that means they indirect support the terrorist. This is what he meant.
And in my eyes Bush is a terrorist. Since American people have had their "Manifest Destiny" (it's not a literally expression, see [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny[/url) since their Frontier Heritage.

I have an article from my English lesson, it says:
Although American civilization took over and replaced the frontier almost a century ago, the heritage of the frontier is still very much alive in the United States today. The idea of the frontier still stirs the emotions and imaginations of the American people. Americans continue to be fascinated by the frontier because it has been a particularly important force in shaping their national values.
The frontier experience began with the first colonists settled on the wast coast of the continent in the 1600s. It ended about 1890 when the last western lands were settled.


And some information: Spanish settlers (for example Napoleon) moved to America, they invaded the (American) Indians and made their country there. And they moved farther West, fought with American Indians, and as the last western lands were settled, they said: this is America.

The text says: "The idea of the frontier still stirs the emotions and imaginations of the American people." I think it means: They still like the adventure of the Frontier Experience very much. And so I think that's the reason why Americans like to invade other countries. And that's why I said that Americans like danyet are criminals.

So either you didn't understand this background, or you didn't want to understand because this fact is not very much helpful for supporting your handsome boyfriend.
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However, I think the Real Threat of The Free World is America, because they still believe in their Frontier Heritage.
They still invade countries which are less powerful than them, and they don't want other countries to be stronger than them. Who tried to restrict the Chinese economy boom?
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ok you are free in your eyes if you want to see black whight , or whight black , any how and we are free to see anything as we like , we are see that USA and isreal , bush and olmert are drovers of the terrorism in this world , and in my opinion i see all israel people animals and any one talk about my prophet by dirty speech is animal and donkey and very stupid , and i am sure about one thing allah will protect each wronged in this global.
so for that stop talking about rubish
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fortminor wrote:
danyet wrote: It is funny how when Muslims are presented with Hadith that contradicts the supposed "peacefulnes" of Islam they say "well that is not a real Hadith" but then they use the same Hadith for their own purpose in the Mosks!!
Example please ???? :roll:
What do you say about Hadith written by Aisha, child bride of Mohammed, is that a fake Hadith?
I dont accept Aisha's Hadith ! Hadith is somethin written by Prophets or Imams! not each person!
there's so many historical douments for some acceptable Hadiths.
Then tell me which books of Hadith Muslims accept.
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No ! ( There are so many lies in it )

one of the Hadith books that i accept is Nahj-al-Balagha.
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So you reject the writings of Aisha who claims to have been molested by Mohammed when she was 6 or 9 years old and embrace the writings of Imam Ali who was implicated in the murder of Uthman and was with Mohammed as he slaughtered and raped his way across Arabia. Even his own men refused to do battle for him at one pont until he went to arbitration over the accusation of the murder. Aisha herself believed he was guilty.

Perhaps when you start looking at the source of these writings in which you put your faith you will realize that the writings of such men are empty and in vain. Actions speak louder than words! Men like Ali and Mohammed are from the same mold as Saddam Hussein. One minute they are talking fatherly to children and the next, they amputating limbs and executing prisoners.
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fortminor wrote:

No Len,It's not true. i'll quote the exct verse from Koran:

2:256

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error.
And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm hand hold
which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.


people has the right too choose.even a person who born in muslim family can change his/her religion
when he/she grow up.
Tell me what happened to a people who decided to leave Islam? :roll:

My aunt married to a Muslim guy, so I quite know the religion myself. And I know what happened to him when he decided to leave Islam.

You can quote any verse in the Koran to prove your point; however, people in your religion practice it otherwise. Or I dare to say you only quote half of it.
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Admiral wrote:Because fortminor said what I wanted to say I don't want to repeat the same things again.
Lennye wrote:In Danyet's eyes Mohammed was a terrorist. And since Muslims are born to believe in Mohammed, don't have the right to question whom they worship, or can't choose to leave it, that means they indirect support the terrorist. This is what he meant.
And in my eyes Bush is a terrorist. Since American people have had their "Manifest Destiny" (it's not a literally expression, see [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny[/url) since their Frontier Heritage.

I have an article from my English lesson, it says:
Although American civilization took over and replaced the frontier almost a century ago, the heritage of the frontier is still very much alive in the United States today. The idea of the frontier still stirs the emotions and imaginations of the American people. Americans continue to be fascinated by the frontier because it has been a particularly important force in shaping their national values.
The frontier experience began with the first colonists settled on the wast coast of the continent in the 1600s. It ended about 1890 when the last western lands were settled.


And some information: Spanish settlers (for example Napoleon) moved to America, they invaded the (American) Indians and made their country there. And they moved farther West, fought with American Indians, and as the last western lands were settled, they said: this is America.

The text says: "The idea of the frontier still stirs the emotions and imaginations of the American people." I think it means: They still like the adventure of the Frontier Experience very much. And so I think that's the reason why Americans like to invade other countries. And that's why I said that Americans like danyet are criminals.

So either you didn't understand this background, or you didn't want to understand because this fact is not very much helpful for supporting your handsome boyfriend.
Again, I said either you didn't understand it or you refused to understand it. This is what I said,

Muslims worship Mohammed with their every breath. It's against their law to question his actions or the Koran. It's not their choice to choose to worship Mohammed or not. It's a must.

Americans, on the other hand, have a choice to choose whether they should believe in or vote for baby Bush. They don't worship him. In fact, they have their rights to question his actions, beliefs, how he leads America, etc.

In Danyet's eyes Mohammed was a terrorist. And since Muslims are born to believe in Mohammed, don't have the right to question whom they worship, or can't choose to leave it, that means they indirect support the terrorist. This is what he meant.

Americans have the right to choose whom they should put in office. Not all Americans support baby Bush. However, you said Danyet is American to prove that all Americans support baby Bush. I wonder how yours and his is connected....


You can tell me the whole history of the United States, but it never will be connected to his examples. Not all Americans voted for Bush. What about people who voted for Kerry? Were they supporting terrorists also? :roll:
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Ok Lennye, sorry but what you quoted from me is not what you talk about. Please read it first before quoting. Otherwise I think it's not polite.

First I bet you to read my last post because there it gives you an answer why America has a desire to conquer other countries since it's birth.

And second: If you only have the two possibilities, either Bush or his baby, the result is clear. Either Bush will tell what to do or he will tell his baby what to do.

In Danyet's eys Mohammed is a terrorist. And in my eyes Bush is a terrorist, because he uses the tradition of America for his own wishes. He uses the American's tradition: "Frontier Experience" as his advertisement for attaking Iraq and Iran.
(You can read this in the last article I quoted)

I said Danyet is American to prove that all Americans support Bush, yes. Here I used Danyet's logic. I only wanted to show you how obsessed he was. Read his post at Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:29 pm. Here danyet says that Seafarer is a terrorist because he is Muslim.
Not all Americans voted for Bush. What about people who voted for Kerry? Were they supporting terrorists also?
You should tell this sentence to your cute boyfriend. He wrote at Aug 14, 3:29 pm
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Danyet..it is a "wrong" interpretation of my words I am not a terrorist and will never support them

I did not interpret your words. 1 It is a proven fact that Mohammed was a terrorist and murderer to his enemies 2 Islam is based on "support" for Mohammed. 3 You are Muslim = 4 You support at least one terrorist.
You know, I said I used his logic, it's not my logic. [/quote]
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And this is the reason why I said the way you used his logic to link to his is wrong since it has nothing to do with his. Muslims CANNOT choose whom they should worship. They are born with Islam. All of them worship Mohammed. Not all Americans voted for baby Bush. Tell me, what about people who didn't vote for Bush? Were they supporting terrorists?
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Admiral wrote: Ok Lennye, sorry but what you quoted from me is not what you talk about. Please read it first before quoting. Otherwise I think it's not polite.
It is exactly what I've been talking about unless you didn't understand it.
Admiral wrote:First I bet you to read my last post because there it gives you an answer why America has a desire to conquer other countries since it's birth.
China has a long history of invasion and expansion. Does it mean the same thing like you said for American history? :roll:
Admiral wrote:And second: If you only have the two possibilities, either Bush or his baby, the result is clear. Either Bush will tell what to do or he will tell his baby what to do.
No, we have the right to vote. And the majority will win. That's how democratic system is all about.
Admiral wrote:In Danyet's eys Mohammed is a terrorist. And in my eyes Bush is a terrorist, because he uses the tradition of America for his own wishes. He uses the American's tradition: "Frontier Experience" as his advertisement for attaking Iraq and Iran.
(You can read this in the last article I quoted)
And? Does it say anything about ALL Americans? Even the ones who didn't vote for him?
Admiral wrote:I said Danyet is American to prove that all Americans support Bush, yes. Here I used Danyet's logic. I only wanted to show you how obsessed he was. Read his post at Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:29 pm. Here danyet says that Seafarer is a terrorist because he is Muslim.
Muslims worship Mohammed. ALL of them. They can't choose to not to worship him. Therefore, they indirectly worship a terrorist in Danyet's eyes. You said Danyet is American to prove that ALL Americans voted for Bush and supported him. However, NOT ALL Americans voted and supported him. How is yours connected to his?
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Admiral wrote: Ok Lennye, sorry but what you quoted from me is not what you talk about. Please read it first before quoting. Otherwise I think it's not polite.
It is exactly what I've been talking about unless you didn't understand it.
Ok Lennye, to be more precise, sorry but what you quoted from me is NOT THE POINT. Please read it first before quoting. Otherwise I think it's not polite. And maybe it's better to act with facts, not with fiction. As I will show you in the following lines. Please don't quote this sentence to say that I haven't named any facts yet, they will come in the following lines.

I talked about Manifest Destiny. Did you ever mention this expression? If not then please say sorry to me that you said a wrong sentence. You exactly didn't point at this topic.

China has a long history of intern fights, between chinese parties. But China didn't go to conquer other countries far away, like what USA did for Irak. And the most dangerous fact is that USA still stays at it's Manifest Destiny.

He told the United Nations: "Either you support the American aggression or you will be meaningless".
He told: Saddam should be punished because he resisted the idea of the UN, so the United States will invade Irak, whether the UN defies or not. And the warlike content of Bush has been underlined by the Pentagon.

Bush wanted a resolution from the UN to let inspectors look whether there are weapons in Iraq. :lol: To say it other way, Bush wanted to conquer Iraq.

Bush used a lot of lies, adjustments and contradictions. He said that the Iraq is the most dangerous threat of the whole world, and that war is the only option, didn't he say? You must have watched TV.

Bush repeated: "Saddam is a second Hitler, the UN is established to prevent the "world peace" being "destroyed by the will of a small man". The Iraq was exactly such a threat, from Bush's point of view.
It's not difficult to recognize the nonsense of this speech. The Iraq had been a poor colony, destroyed in war and the ten years of sanctions. The USA makes war with Iraq frequently, whether financially, economically or military.

Bush represents the most powerful imperial country of the world, which has the most dangerous mass destruction weapons. He used this inrivaled might to destroy weaker and smaller countries. Vietnam, Libanon, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Jugoslawia and Afghanistan.

USA has a lot of military bases in a lot of countries on the earth, he used them to bombard Afghanistan in the last year, thousands of civilian has been killed. and hundreds of AlQaida and Taliban has been slaughtered.

The mark of the German Nazi regime was an evil militarism and it's despise against the world law. The Bush administrators who use military as the central component of their foreign policy, is most like the Hitler government than any other government.

So who is more dangerous, the US or the Iraq, or Iran, or Libanon, or perhaps Turkey in the future? What can Muslims do with their little knifes or pistols?

What America can do with its A-bombs, we have seen.
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"Actions speak louder than words!"

"You can quote any verse in the Koran to prove your point; however, people in your religion practice it otherwise."

I agree. A photo is worth a thousand words but an action is worth a million words. Evidently, Koran doesn't mean much since they threaten to kill those who no longer believe in Islam, behead people, kill others including their fellow Muslims, and destroy their worshiped places.
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I agree Transgang.


Admiral, I hope that you didn't spend a whole lot of time typing that.
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:mrgreen: No I just translated it from a German site
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You mean there are more people out there as looney as you?.............jeeeze!
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besides, the guy is called trangsang and not Transgang, "trans" could easily let us to the brought hint of transvestism.
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Admiral wrote:besides, the guy is called trangsang and not Transgang, "trans" could easily let us to the brought hint of transvestism.
He should have picked a better name then.
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danyet wrote:Imam Ali who was implicated in the murder of Uthman and was with Mohammed as he slaughtered and raped his way across Arabia. Even his own men refused to do battle for him at one pont until he went to arbitration over the accusation of the murder. Aisha herself believed he was guilty.

Men like Ali and Mohammed are from the same mold as Saddam Hussein. One minute they are talking fatherly to children and the next, they amputating limbs and executing prisoners.
source please ! :roll:
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LennyeTran wrote:Tell me what happened to a people who decided to leave Islam? :roll:

My aunt married to a Muslim guy, so I quite know the religion myself. And I know what happened to him when he decided to leave Islam.

You can quote any verse in the Koran to prove your point; however, people in your religion practice it otherwise. Or I dare to say you only quote half of it.
If your Aunt's husband is a muslim ,I live in an Islamic country! and I have never seen anybody who is killed because of changing his/her religion.

it is a tradition between some petrified and bigoted people who name themselves as Muslims ! and as far as i know between Jews .
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Listen, if you unaware of the battles that Mohammed took part in you can't know much about your own religion. Either you are playing dumb or you are dumb and either way I have no time for you because it means you don't belong in this discussion. Now don't come back until you do some homework. You obviously have not read one link I have already posted here on the various threads and neither have most of your cohorts. But at least some of them have the excuse that their english is not up to scratch. You don't!

If you bothered to explore my links a little you would have found some more links in Arabic.
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danyet wrote:Listen, if you (fortminor) unaware of the battles that Mohammed took part in you can't know much about your own religion. Either you are playing dumb or you are dumb and either way I have no time for you because it means you don't belong in this discussion. Now don't come back until you do some homework. You obviously have not read one link I have already posted here on the various threads and neither have most of your cohorts.
http://www.wahrheitssuche.org/mohammed.html

Not many guys are prepared to read your links if they read something like this
danyet wrote:So you reject the writings of Aisha who claims to have been molested by Mohammed when she was 6 or 9 years old and embrace the writings of Imam Ali who was implicated in the murder of Uthman and was with Mohammed as he slaughtered and raped his way across Arabia. Even his own men refused to do battle for him at one pont until he went to arbitration over the accusation of the murder. Aisha herself believed he was guilty.
in your posts.

After a single google search about Aisha, I found the following sentences:

Aisha is the youngest of the women of Muhammed and the only one who married as virgin... Muhammed knows Aisha from the childhood and her intelligence and joy made him smile after each meeting. She won his heart, so it's not surprising that he thought of the young Aisha when he was ready to marry again after the death of his wife Hadiga. The marriage had been taken place in the family and after it Aisha lived happily in the prophet's house... She had been deeply in love until Muhammed's death, so the women didn't hesitate in letting her to care for him in his last days. He died in Aisha's house.

This is only one of your foolish aggressions.
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Admiral wrote: Not many guys are prepared to read your links if they read something like this
danyet wrote:So you reject the writings of Aisha who claims to have been molested by Mohammed when she was 6 or 9 years old and embrace the writings of Imam Ali who was implicated in the murder of Uthman and was with Mohammed as he slaughtered and raped his way across Arabia. Even his own men refused to do battle for him at one pont until he went to arbitration over the accusation of the murder. Aisha herself believed he was guilty.
in your posts.
And why not?


Admiral wrote: After a single google search about Aisha, I found the following sentences:

Aisha is the youngest of the women of Muhammed and the only one who married as virgin... Muhammed knows Aisha from the childhood and her intelligence and joy made him smile after each meeting. She won his heart, so it's not surprising that he thought of the young Aisha when he was ready to marry again after the death of his wife Hadiga. The marriage had been taken place in the family and after it Aisha lived happily in the prophet's house... She had been deeply in love until Muhammed's death, so the women didn't hesitate in letting her to care for him in his last days. He died in Aisha's house.

This is only one of your foolish aggressions.
So what? What is that supposed to mean? No one denies that Aisha was married to Mohammed. Too bad you left out the part where Aisha was only 8 or 9 years old when he had sex with her :lol:

Perhaps you had better do more than just one google next time. True research takes time, bucko!
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danyet wrote:Listen, if you unaware of the battles that Mohammed took part in you can't know much about your own religion. Either you are playing dumb or you are dumb and either way I have no time for you because it means you don't belong in this discussion. Now don't come back until you do some homework. You obviously have not read one link I have already posted here on the various threads and neither have most of your cohorts. But at least some of them have the excuse that their english is not up to scratch. You don't!

If you bothered to explore my links a little you would have found some more links in Arabic.
I've read some of them, How i am supposed to believe 'em when most of them are Israeli sites-written by your cohorts-?
or from that nonsenses of Al-tabari and bukhari ?
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danyet wrote:And why not?
Because your very direct way of speech, pointing the reader at the message: "Islam is bad" does not seem believable and objective, but beyond believe and subjective.
So what? What is that supposed to mean? No one denies that Aisha was married to Mohammed. Too bad you left out the part where Aisha was only 8 or 9 years old when he had sex with her

Perhaps you had better do more than just one google next
So what? This was a presentation of Mohammed's peaceful love with Aisha, not an analysis of the circumstances about the muslim marriage law. Perhaps it's normal to have a fiancee who is 9 at that time.

Too bad that I'm only saying what is right and I'm not dealing with your argumentation-counterargumentation tactic.

http://www.kleio.org/mittelalter/MaV1a.htm

This is a site about the circumstances in the middle ages. Here they say that the age doesn't matter. For example Mathilde († 1189), a sister of Richard Löwenherz, has become engaged 1165 in the age of 9 yeaars with the 26 years old Heinrich the Lion. After 3 years they married.

The middle ages is 500-1500 after Christ, the Koran has been written about 600 A.C.

You can't use the laws of today to judge about a civilisation thousands of years before. In that time your ancestors lived such a life, too.
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Perhaps it's normal to have a fiancee who is 9 at that time.
exactly !
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