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Pope Benedict in Germany

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Post by MissLT » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:32 pm

I'm gonna check out what he said in Germany since Islamic leaders are angry and demanding him to apologize.

Pope said to be upset Muslims offended

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Post by Danyet » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:47 pm

Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."
Here we have an example of how even the Ancient people knew that Islam was evil.

I am beginning to like this Pope afterall. :lol: :lol:

Now we have all these stupid Muslims parading in their streets, vandalizing churches etc., again. What a pack of morons!!! I can hardly contain my laughter.
Time for a napalm party, methinks!

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Post by MissLT » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:54 pm

Two churches have been hit by firebombs. I wonder how this whole thing is gonna turn out since these words (still don't know what they are) came from the head of the Church of Christianity. Again, more bloodshedding for humankind because of religion!!!!!

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Post by MissLT » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:00 pm

So this is what he said? :? :shock:

Quoting a 14th-century Byzantine emperor on the Prophet Mohammed, founder of the Muslim faith, the head of the Roman Catholic Church said: "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"

New York Times denounces pope's remarks on Islam

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Post by Admiral » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:32 pm

The pope should apologize, but he doesn't.
You see the pope is racist, too.

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Post by Dixie » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:17 pm

Admiral wrote:The pope should apologize, but he doesn't.
You see the pope is racist, too.
I heard today that he CAN'T admit he was wrong, according to some stupid rules. The Pope can't apologize!!!!!!!! How ridiculous they are, gosh!

But, regardless of whether he was wrong or not, those muslims are just nuts. Look what they're doing, just because of a few words from an old man! My goodness, where's this world going?

I wish all religions would vanish from the Earth and start living in peace!

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Post by Danyet » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:21 pm

Since he has said nothing racist what does he have to apologize for?

Perhaps it is time that you pulled your head out of your donkey and realized that it is Muslims who are bombing churches not the Pope.

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Post by Admiral » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:23 pm

You know what? Your pope is nuts, Muslim terrorist are nuts, Bush is nuts, and everybody submitting to one of them is nuts, too.

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Post by Admiral » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:29 pm

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right
German economist & Communist political philosopher (1818 - 1883)

danyet, you are only blaiming what your nation has created by itself.

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Post by Danyet » Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:53 pm

Oh I see, the pope makes a historically accurate statement. The Muslims go on a rampage and blow things up.

And you blame it on America.


Then to top it off, you quote of all people, Karl Marx.

I am amazed that your pee brain has vocal capabilities.
I would ask you how you made the connection between the Pope and USA but I'm afraid your response would be just as shallow.

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Post by Admiral » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:35 pm

The connection between them is that they all have prejudice because of religion.

The pope has prejudice against Muslims, (as I heard it in the new, maybe the news exaggerate it) the terrorists have prejudice aginst American nation, Bush has prejudice aginst the islamic nations, and these prejudices are based on religion. I think religion is nothing else than an illusion or dream, and they all make decisions based on a dream.

If you eat opium to much, you also dream. That's the connection to Marx.

I have to say sorry, maybe the root of this crisis between religion has been existed already before America.

sorry

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Post by ahmads » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:32 pm

if the pope wants to talk about what is named by the the religious violence he must talk about The Christian Wars against Islam in the middle centuries ..
and israel occupation of palestine
by the name of jewish religion and killing thousands of people,,
and he must talk about what do Bush and a huge part of his supporters in america believe about the war of the end day that between evil""Islam ""and good""jewish"".
this war is the powerful reason that makes Bush supports jews .((crazy))

so 1-he wants to insult islam """ I think no,, because the ex-pope was a good man and I witness the ex-pope did a very good things,,and the current pope must be like the ex-pope because he must reflect Christianity""
2- he is very old man to think ,,so vatican must put a young pope"""
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Post by jeffcox » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:35 pm

I think that the Pope should be better advised about what he says. On the other hand, sometimes we say things that are misinterpreted by those who hear.

It shows how volitile and sensitive the whole situation is.

The Pope was condemned without anyone asking him what his message was, what he meant to say. Muslims demand an apology, not one - as far as Iknow - has asked for clarification about what the Pope meant to say.

I think he was refering to the violence and hate that is present in religion, or for which, religion is an excuse; you choose which one.

In this sense, I agree with him. Violence there has been in both religions, throughout our history; violence on both sides - neither religion is clean on this issue.

I loved the words by French President Jacques Chirac
"We must avoid making any link between Islam, which is a great, respected and respectable religion, and radical Islamism, which is a totally different activity and one of a political nature"

Respect for the Indonesians, we could learn a lot from their protest.
"About 100 Indonesian Muslims protested peacefully over the Pope's remarks outside the Vatican embassy in Jakarta on Monday."

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The catholic Pope apologises again?! oh no - boring!:(

Post by LadyMacbeth » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:27 pm

I think that Catholic Church apologised enough hor its sins. We can hear or read here and there - Catholic Church apologises for this... or Catholic Church apologises for that... I hope to hear on the radion on TV that muslim world apologises for all these suiciders who are still killing and hurt many of innocent people who don't want to suicide themselves at all.
Thus personally I will switch off the channel when I will see Catholic Pope apologising anyone for anything again:(
Sad but true.

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Post by MissLT » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:35 pm

Dixie wrote:
I heard today that he CAN'T admit he was wrong, according to some stupid rules. The Pope can't apologize!!!!!!!! How ridiculous they are, gosh!
Yes, they can. Some Popes have apologized for what other Popes did in the past. There is no such rule that a Pope can't apologize.

He just didn't wanna apologize because what he said wasn't wrong. He didn't make it up by himself; he quoted someone's words. What seems wrong to me is that his motive. He said he wanted peace and build a bridge conntected Christianity and Islam. However, is it right to provoke someone's anger by telling them what they don't wanna hear?

If he quoted those words about them, which means he's already had his own image of them. Also, I don't think he didn't hear of the caricature incident. Just some guys drew some pictures, and the world was kinda upside down. They rampaged the streets and wanted to hang the guys who drew them. Now, those words were repeated from a mouth of the head of Roman Catholic Church. I don't think there is no one who wouldn't wanna kill him. What if those fanatics succeeded? And Catholics would do something back for a revenge. Blah blah blah blah... all the worst scenarios. Thus, the gap of hatred between Christianity and Islam will be even deeper and wider.

I wanna know his real motive behind this speech. I wanna know who helped him with this speech. I wanna know who's really behind this whole thing. Too many things I wanna know just from this nonsensical speech. :roll:

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Post by Dixie » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:17 pm

LennyeTran wrote: Yes, they can. Some Popes have apologized for what other Popes did in the past. There is no such rule that a Pope can't apologize.
Well, that's what I heard on the news, that there was a rule according to which the Pope can never admit he has been wrong. :roll:

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Post by Danyet » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:22 pm

I have no great love for the Pope or his religion but in this caae I agee with him.

When was the last time you saw a Catholic suicide bomber? Or catholics vandalizing Muslim churches for saying stupid stuff?

Even the Crusades against Muslims were self defense against Islamic aggression trying to convert Europe with their swords. Fortunately for the World the Crusaders pushed back Muslim powers back into the desert.

Imagine Europe now, if the Crusades did not happen. Dixie would be wearing a Burka!!! And there would be squablig between the Suni French and the Shiite Italians!! :lol: :lol:

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Post by Dixie » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:26 pm

danyet wrote: Imagine Europe now, if the Crusades did not happen. Dixie would be wearing a Burka!!! And there would be squablig between the Suni French and the Shiite Italians!! :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No way!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by MissLT » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:26 pm

Dixie wrote:
LennyeTran wrote: Yes, they can. Some Popes have apologized for what other Popes did in the past. There is no such rule that a Pope can't apologize.
Well, that's what I heard on the news, that there was a rule according to which the Pope can never admit he has been wrong. :roll:
That news is wrong because there is no rule a Pope can't apologize.

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Post by Dixie » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:28 pm

LennyeTran wrote: That news is wrong because there is no rule a Pope can't apologize.
OK lady :twisted: :lol:

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Post by MissLT » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:35 pm

danyet wrote:I have no great love for the Pope or his religion but in this caae I agee with him.

When was the last time you saw a Catholic suicide bomber? Or catholics vandalizing Muslim churches for saying stupid stuff?

Even the Crusades against Muslims were self defense against Islamic aggression trying to convert Europe with their swords. Fortunately for the World the Crusaders pushed back Muslim powers back into the desert.

Imagine Europe now, if the Crusades did not happen. Dixie would be wearing a Burka!!! And there would be squablig between the Suni French and the Shiite Italians!! :lol: :lol:
But is it his job to lecture them, though? And with those words? It's so not Jesus-like. :twisted:

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Dixie wrote:
danyet wrote: Imagine Europe now, if the Crusades did not happen. Dixie would be wearing a Burka!!! And there would be squablig between the Suni French and the Shiite Italians!! :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No way!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
But it doesn't matter if it'd have happened or not since she doesn't believe in religions. 8)

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Re: The catholic Pope apologises again?! oh no - boring!:(

Post by MissLT » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:53 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:I think that Catholic Church apologised enough hor its sins. We can hear or read here and there - Catholic Church apologises for this... or Catholic Church apologises for that... I hope to hear on the radion on TV that muslim world apologises for all these suiciders who are still killing and hurt many of innocent people who don't want to suicide themselves at all. Thus personally I will switch off the channel when I will see Catholic Pope apologising anyone for anything again:(
Sad but true.
I was thinking the same thing, too. Those Islamic leaders keep saying it's not right those Muslims did this and that. Muslims are not supposed to kill others blah blah blah and how wrong it is, but have they apologized? No way!

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Post by Dixie » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:55 pm

LennyeTran wrote: But it doesn't matter if it'd have happened or not since she doesn't believe in religions. 8)
How could I...? Religions are the source of all evil :twisted: I wish they would just disappear. You know that, "no religion, no problem" 8)

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Post by MissLT » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:02 pm

Ok, I'm off reading Buddhist texts, then. :twisted:

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danyet wrote:When was the last time you saw a Catholic suicide bomber? Or catholics vandalizing Muslim churches for saying stupid stuff?
Yes, I agree with you, there are some Muslims with a tremendous anger, and the reasons of that anger are hardly to understand. But there are SOME Muslims who do such things, most of Muslims don't agree with their acting! I actually know a lot of Muslims, and most of them were offended by the words of the pope, but they don't understand either why someone could vandalize a church because of that.
danyet wrote:Imagine Europe now, if the Crusades did not happen. Dixie would be wearing a Burka!!! And there would be squablig between the Suni French and the Shiite Italians!! :lol: :lol:

:lol: Funny image :lol: But you're not quite right, the crusades had nothing to do with Muslims "trying to convert Europe with their swords". The islamic invasions in Europe took place almost 500 years after the crusades, the crusades were happening because the church wanted to recapture "the holy city" of Jerusalem.

Yeah, the entire world would be so much more peaceful if those stubborn religious fanatics (on both sides!) would finally approach. If you do a bad thing to me, I'll do the same to you, and it gets worse and worse, that's what's happening since hundreds of years, and it seems some people didn't learn anything about it.

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Dixie wrote:You know that, "no religion, no problem" 8)
What a great bumper sticker :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by MissLT » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:48 am

Life is already a problem itself. Religion is just one of the ingredients in this bad taste bowl of soup.

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Post by Dixie » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:05 am

LennyeTran wrote:Life is already a problem itself. Religion is just one of the ingredients in this bad taste bowl of soup.
I think nowadays it's a very important ingredient...

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Post by MissLT » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:12 am

Yeah, too many people get caught up with it. But when something is gone, something else would be created and bring us problems. It's like now we're having a lot more new species because a lot of our old ones are extinct. That's how life is. Isn't that sad?

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Post by andes » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:59 am

there so many religions in this world. each of those teach alot of good stuff.. however,it couldn't make this live better.
why? does it means that religions are useless?
does it means that world without religions will be better?
i guess not. the source of the problem is human being itself (as i said in other posting)..
So we couldn't either blame religion or God.
about offends and being offended, i think thats not a big deal if we could practice what we have-or should have-learned from our religion :!:

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Post by Rach » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:25 am

Perhaps the world would be better without religions, but they are here and obviously mean a big deal to a lot of people. Yeah I agree with you, religions can teach also a lot of could stuff, perhaps it's always the misinterpretations that cause so much trouble.

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Post by Rach » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:57 am

But I'm still thinking about that bumper sticker anyway, I really like that "no religions, no problems"... hm, but I don't think my boyfriend wants to have that bumper sticker on his new car :roll: Image

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Post by Danyet » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:35 pm

LennyeTran wrote:
That news is wrong because there is no rule a Pope can't apologize.
Actually it is historically accurate that the Pope or Vatican has considered herself "Infallible". They consider themselves the "last word" and supposedely speak for God on Earth.

Just Google "Infallible Pope" and see what you get.

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Post by Danyet » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:27 pm

Yeah that will do!

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Statements by a pope that exercise papal infallibility are referred to as solemn papal definitions or ex cathedra teachings. These should not be confused with teachings that are infallible because of a solemn definition by an ecumenical council, or with teachings that are infallible in virtue of being taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. For details on these other kinds of infallible teachings, see Infallibility of the Church.

According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are as follows:

1. "the Roman Pontiff"
2. "speaks ex cathedra" ("that is, when in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority….")
3. "he defines"
4. "that a doctrine concerning faith or morals"
5. "must be held by the whole Church" (Pastor Aeternus, chap. 4.)
For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must make it clear that it is definitive and binding. There is not any specific phrasing required for this, but it is usually indicated by one or both of the following: (1) a verbal formula indicating that this teaching is definitive (such as "We declare, decree and define..."), or (2) an accompanying anathema stating that anyone who deliberately dissents is outside the Catholic Church.
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I don't see how Benedict couldn't apologize, according to this rule. He quoted the ancient King's opinion (non-related to Christian texts or Christianity) to make his point.

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Post by Shazzam » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:51 am

That was actually really interesting Lenny.

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Post by Tora » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:36 am

similar article in bbc:
...According to the Roman Catholic Church, the Bishop of Rome IS infallible - but only in specific cases. The current furore over remarks made by the pontiff about Islam does not fall into this category.

Papal infallibility only comes into play with issues of faith that concern the whole Church. It doesn't apply when the Pope is expressing a personal opinion or, in this case, quoting from a historical text...
the whole story

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Post by MissLT » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:16 am

Yes, that's the second link I posted up there. :wink:

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Post by Tora » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:57 am

LennyeTran wrote:Yes, that's the second link I posted up there. :wink:
LOL I'm very attentive :P :oops: :oops:

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Post by MissLT » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:05 am

:wink: It's cool. The part you quoted was easier to understand than the part I quoted from wikipedia. I had to re-read it since I was HAH? for the first time :oops: :lol: .

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Post by Tora » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:55 pm

LennyeTran wrote::wink: It's cool. The part you quoted was easier to understand than the part I quoted from wikipedia. I had to re-read it since I was HAH? for the first time :oops: :lol: .
Anyhow we've found the consensus 8)

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Post by LadyMacbeth » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:14 pm

Yes, they can. Some Popes have apologized for what other Popes did in the past. There is no such rule that a Pope can't apologize.

He just didn't wanna apologize because what he said wasn't wrong. He didn't make it up by himself; he quoted someone's words. What seems wrong to me is that his motive. He said he wanted peace and build a bridge conntected Christianity and Islam. However, is it right to provoke someone's anger by telling them what they don't wanna hear?

If he quoted those words about them, which means he's already had his own image of them. Also, I don't think he didn't hear of the caricature incident. Just some guys drew some pictures, and the world was kinda upside down. They rampaged the streets and wanted to hang the guys who drew them. Now, those words were repeated from a mouth of the head of Roman Catholic Church. I don't think there is no one who wouldn't wanna kill him. What if those fanatics succeeded? And Catholics would do something back for a revenge. Blah blah blah blah... all the worst scenarios. Thus, the gap of hatred between Christianity and Islam will be even deeper and wider.

I wanna know his real motive behind this speech. I wanna know who helped him with this speech. I wanna know who's really behind this whole thing. Too many things I wanna know just from this nonsensical speech. Rolling Eyes
I think that some people exaggerate. Whatever it means. I mean they have natural tendencies to make little things big or looking for needles inside the hay-heaps. The worse - they find these needles.
I know one man who always says "A devil is hanged on details". And he is right. All in all I think only wider perspective can save this world.

I don't think Christian Pope had bad intention. I think such intention was simply found by people who were looking for it. But it is the hardest thing ever to prove someone his/her bad will/bad intentions.

If you can do it - you can criticise Pope's speech.
If not - better go and take care about your own life - if you have it, of course.


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Post by LadyMacbeth » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:28 pm

What I would like also say is that life can be very awkward thing when each time you are starting to open your mouth to say things about A, B is interrupting you with his fancied ideas that you have just offended C.

Who is wrong and who is right when in such case it is ME!!! who should be scared of B attacking me physically/devasting my places of culture in case of my lack of any interest in B's crazy ideas???

Thus I think it isn't possible to find peace between Muslims and Christians. The first are simply too aggressive.

I also think Polish Pope was wiser that German. He saw the world/Europe from different perspective.
I think his perspective was different and wiser.
Probably also immpossible to implement but it seems to me that after all bit wiser.

Though who can know it... haha?:)

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LadyMacbeth wrote:What I would like also say is that life can be very awkward thing when each time you are starting to open your mouth to say things about A, B is interrupting you with his fancied ideas that you have just offended C.
Yeah. But the thing is that it wasn't his place to lecture them, though. I mean, it would be no biggie if he was nobody and said it. I know I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Majority of Muslims don't like to be lectured by him.

You would think those Muslim religious leaders would take what he said in consideration and, "thank you for your words. We'll see what we can do." blah blah or something like that, you know. Just to be nice so he would get the f*ck off. But they got offended! Well, it's not like it's the first time, so whatever! :roll:

LadyMacbeth wrote:I also think Polish Pope was wiser that German.
I think so, too. At least, he didn't give a da*n about their actions. He was more of don't blow me up, and I won't get in your way attitude. With this outrageous world it was the best solution, methinks. :roll:

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Post by LadyMacbeth » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:52 pm

Yeah. But the thing is that it wasn't his place to lecture them, though. I mean, it would be no biggie if he was nobody and said it. I know I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, he's the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Majority of Muslims don't like to be lectured by him.
Hmmm... after publishing my letter above I thought at once: "what for Muslims hear what catholic Pope preaches at all? Do they intend to convert or what?"

That was my first idea. The second was - "but who is Catholic Pope - doth he has double role nowadays - he is both the head of Catholic church and the head of Vatican state.

So I think he should always pinpoint which role he takes at the particular moment cause some serious misunderstandings can appear at once (no doubt).

I don't remember now what he exactedly said but I think he was talking about religion, he was far from giving political opinions so I think the reaction of Muslim world (very complicated notion) was really exagerated (as usually) :( (MY OPINION)
I think so, too.
Well... the stranger is that he was almost shot dead. Don't forget about it. The man who shaped somehow 25 years of history of European and world's christian world could have been dead only in 1981 (instead of 2005).
He didn't tell much then and could be dead.
Can Benedict expect the same threat after his unfortunate speech?
Noone knows it.

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Well... the stranger is that he was almost shot dead. Don't forget about it. The man who shaped somehow 25 years of history of European and world's christian world could have been dead only in 1981 (instead of 2005).
He didn't tell much then and could be dead.
Can Benedict expect the same threat after his unfortunate speech?
Noone knows it.

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Tell me one leader, religious or political, who hasn't been threatened to be killed? How humble or peaceful or whatever one is, there are always people who want to kill them for their position. It's strange, but this is how it is.

Benedict's security system is now even tighter after his speech. His life is now almost up for grab. If they could get a hold of him, oh yes, they'd finish him good. :roll:

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about security

Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:32 pm

Tell me one leader, religious or political, who hasn't been threatened to be killed? How humble or peaceful or whatever one is, there are always people who want to kill them for their position. It's strange, but this is how it is.
Hmmm... that's truth. Some people are jealous, other are professional killers...different reasons.
Ali Agca for example was a professional murderer. Before Polish Pope he never missed (I read somewhere). He targeted at the Pope from the distance of 4-10 metres (they say). And he missed. He was shocked when he got it known that the Pope survived. Ali Agca was from Bulgary (I am not sure).
Benedict's security system is now even tighter after his speech. His life is now almost up for grab. If they could get a hold of him, oh yes, they'd finish him good.
Can you imagine what could happen in Europe/in the world if Turkish professional murderer would shot Benedict XVI?
Sometimes such sparks can start world-wide conflicts. For example historical books teach that murder in Sarajewo was a indirect cause of I World War.


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Post by MissLT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:19 pm

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Hmmm... that's truth. Some people are jealous, other are professional killers...different reasons.
Ali Agca for example was a professional murderer. Before Polish Pope he never missed (I read somewhere). He targeted at the Pope from the distance of 4-10 metres (they say). And he missed. He was shocked when he got it known that the Pope survived. Ali Agca was from Bulgary (I am not sure).
Yeah, it's usually the opposite side that wants to kill them. Like Lincoln, who would wanna kill him? Well, the South did. Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did. :lol: :lol:

LadyMacbeth wrote:Can you imagine what could happen in Europe/in the world if Turkish professional murderer would shot Benedict XVI?
Sometimes such sparks can start world-wide conflicts. For example historical books teach that murder in Sarajewo was a indirect cause of I World War.


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If he got killed and they found out that the killer was from different religion (name calling, a Muslim), it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims. Getting killed for quoting a source from the ancient king is abysmal and outrageous.

People just never get it that you can't kill other in the name of religion, period!!!!!

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Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:52 pm

Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did.
Yes. Charles probably dreamt about this moment and it came:( Though I never understood this all glory for Lady Diana. Only when I visited London I could understand some things better. Their glory for Lady Di including.

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it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims
I think the same. No doubt:( All in all western societies and Muslim people/Muslim world differ very much and one little spark can start mutual aggresion and visible hatred. :( Maybe not today but who knows what future will bring...
I prefer not to think what would happen if German Pope was killed by someone from Muslim world. Maybe nothing big but maybe...
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Post by MissLT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:06 pm

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Like Princess Diana, who would wanna kill her? Well, her husband did.
Yes. Charles probably dreamt about this moment and it came:( Though I never understood this all glory for Lady Diana. Only when I visited London I could understand some things better. Their glory for Lady Di including.

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Tell me about it!!! I don't see the big fuss about her. She agreed to that arranged marriage. She cheated on him when she'd found out he was cheating on her. It was eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. She ain't that innocent or a big victim. She did do volunteer work, but in my opinion, she should have. The money she volunteered wasn't hers. Besides, she was in that position, wasn't it right to give something back to others? :?
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it would definitely holy war between Catholics and Muslims
I think the same. No doubt:( All in all western societies and Muslim people/Muslim world differ very much and one little spark can start mutual aggresion and visible hatred. :( Maybe not today but who knows what future will bring...
I prefer not to think what would happen if German Pope was killed by someone from Muslim world. Maybe nothing big but maybe...
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Neither do I. I'm sick of the Bible isn't right, mine is the truest, it's not peaceful ~, etc. It's getting old. :roll:

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Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:22 pm

Tell me about it!!! I don't see the big fuss about her.


Oki. Soon I will produce more about it here. Tomorrow.
Today - end of writing to me.

PS. I can only remind that she was 18 when she married or something about. She was young and pretty while Charles isn't pretty at all (we have to admit it sincerely). She could have plenty of lovers. He could have plenty of lovers too but somehow it seems to me he was much less charming for crowds than Diana.
You know - people love appearances.
The rest of this story is also historical - cause in Great Britain everything goes about history. I heard there some news that would be never told on world's media like these about Charles great father who was betraying his beautiful and good wife - Dutch princess Alexandra (or something like that). Alexandra was always very sad, cried a lot of and was very unhappy. Diana surely must have known this story. Maybe thus she was so determined to play tough with a grand son?
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ps.

Post by LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:24 pm

it should have been written above:

great grandfather
and
great grandson - Charles - future king (hahaha:( )

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