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does it make sense to build walls?

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Postby Danyet » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:39 pm

I don't know. I do not like the wall because it can be used to keep people in USA. Like a jail!

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errr...

Postby LadyMacbeth » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:38 pm

I don't think so. US is big enough to live there without any feeling of claustrophobia (as I imagine).
Besides you have northern border too. Why would you have to leave for the south? You like heat so much there? Who knows...

But what I think is that again illegal immigrants from Mexico will be mostly used to build this wall. That's why me and many other people like me are asking - does it make any sense at all?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

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ps.

Postby LadyMacbeth » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:41 pm

Anyway - you can always turn back into Africa. There is also rather hot continent.

But being serious - it could be too expensive nowadays... though who knows...

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Postby MissLT » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:31 am

Conservative Americans are afraid that American jobs wil be taken by illegal immigrants. More jobs have been sent to Asia and South America, for example, China. They're trying to save Americans's income and saving Americans from the illegal drugs also. There are some private or independent labs buy drugs from those countries in the South because they're way cheaper and non-licensed.

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Great Wall in China.

Postby LadyMacbeth » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:29 pm

Hehehe - are conservative Americans really scared?
Well... I think noone as cheerful and opened as South Americans. Of course Asian people are hot and African even hotter but the hottest are surely South Americans (they say) ;) .
I think US should rather think about US Union than building walls.. Then they could have lots of cheap trips around South America. Kids could go to see what is a jungle etc.
Why not?
All in all I think that there isn't any real jungle in US so far...

I have fancied this idea observing what EU means as deals its educational aspect. Pupils around Europe travel from one country into another and many interesting things happen.

For example pupils from Spain come to Poland and like it very much but when they travelled to Germany they didn't like it half as much even.

For me was almost amusing to hear about all this story.

All in all I think it could be really nice trip to me to see a real jungle...

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Postby Oriani » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:28 pm

For me it doesn't make any sense, after the Berlin ones many years ago, I think walls can't do anything. That's gonna be torn down, soon or later! (I think)

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Re: Great Wall in China.

Postby MissLT » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:04 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:Hehehe - are conservative Americans really scared?

Oh yes, they are. They are scared of everything. Whatever you name it, they'd be scared of it-- abortion, poverty, homeless, gay marriages, welfare, medicare, immigrants, scholarship for poor, etc. Here we call them scaredy cats Republicans. (an American joke here *insert laugh*) :lol: :lol:

LadyMacbeth wrote:Well... I think noone as cheerful and opened as South Americans. Of course Asian people are hot and African even hotter but the hottest are surely South Americans (they say) ;) .

Are you talking about environment or appearance here?

LadyMacbeth wrote:All in all I think that there isn't any real jungle in US so far...

It depends on what you call what is a jungle. Amazon-like? Nah, I don't think so.

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who takes grants in US?

Postby LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:38 pm

scholarship for poor


Wow - it really ... scared me for a while.
Who takes grants in US then?
In my country you can get scholarships for your excellent performance (I type) and because you are poor (II type). Some people take both.
In my opinion scholarships should be for poor but very skilled (I type is enough).
How is it in US if I can ask? Two types too?

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Re: who takes grants in US?

Postby MissLT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:24 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
scholarship for poor


Wow - it really ... scared me for a while.
Who takes grants in US then?
In my country you can get scholarships for your excellent performance (I type) and because you are poor (II type). Some people take both.
In my opinion scholarships should be for poor but very skilled (I type is enough).
How is it in US if I can ask? Two types too?

Yes, the government and the state give out scholarship for low income students. And that's why it bugs the conservative Republicans. Those conservative people don't like anything liberal or free to the poor. They think those poor people don't deserve it. Well, some indeed don't. However, there are many who do. That's why Democrats don't like to eliminate that chance because people who need it wouldn't get helped. Republicans, on the other hand, are not like that. The way they think is more of, screw you! It's your own fault that you did drugs in high school and didn't go to college and now end up with a minimum wage.

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hmmm...

Postby LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:03 pm

Well... I am from this kind of people who care very little about politics:(.
I claim in my country so many people are obsessed with politics that I don't have to care. And I don't care.

Anyway, I read somewhere that poverty in US has lately increased to 20% of society that lives on the verge of it:(.

Nothing specially optimistic...

PS. These Rebublicans sound really bad but I don't think Democrats would start any war on terror.
Though who knows. I have some info that family of Mr Bush was trading oil with family of Mr Bin Laden.
So he was probably jealous when Bush junior came to power. Thus many innocent died because of Big Satan propaganda...

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Re: hmmm...

Postby MissLT » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:10 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
PS. These Rebublicans sound really bad but I don't think Democrats would start any war on terror.
Though who knows. I have some info that family of Mr Bush was trading oil with family of Mr Bin Laden.
So he was probably jealous when Bush junior came to power. Thus many innocent died because of Big Satan propaganda...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Mostly, Democrats are against wars. Why do you think more women are Democrats in the States than men?

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hmmm

Postby LadyMacbeth » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:12 pm

I have few ideas why more women than men are democrats.

But I have read something new:
Bush signs US-Mexico border fence bill

What does signing of such bill mean? :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Postby jeffcox » Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 am

There are lots of illegal workers in the US. That didn't really worry people a lot way back when. Now, poverty in the US is on the increase and many Americans are unemployed.

The illegal workers do very manual or 'embarrassing' work for little money. Now, those poor Americans are looking to those jobs that they didn't want a decade ago. Now it's not a question of choosing, they need those jobs.

The Berlin wall was built to divide a city. The border wall will be built to separate individual countries. It's seen a s a patriotic stand. The problem is that the US still needs those illegal workers, because generally, most households cannot afford to pay a legal nanny or cleaner.

I remember reading that many would have to give up their jobs to stay at home with the kids because their job would not compensate for the increase cost of a legal worker maid or nanny.

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hi:)

Postby LadyMacbeth » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:25 pm

The Berlin wall was built to divide a city. The border wall will be built to separate individual countries. It's seen a s a patriotic stand. The problem is that the US still needs those illegal workers, because generally, most households cannot afford to pay a legal nanny or cleaner.


I know three walls (from history).
1. Great China Wall
2. Berlin wall
3. Us-Mexico Wall (if ready).

The first was built to protectstate from invasions.
The second was 90% political.
The third is also protective but the same time (as I can read from your letter) US people do need those illegal immigrants.
So in my opinion they simply should employ them to more...difficult or reluctantly done jobs when baby sitting is such an interesting opportunity for US people too.
They could work on assembly lines etc (or maybe again it is also too atractive job for US people ).
(That is what dearest European Union does with my numerous compatriots these days).

But what I am driving at is also that US people should push some technological progress/make another industrial breakthrough rather than nannying kids.
Well... doth they are the highest race
compared to other nations, aren't they? :wink:

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Re: hi:)

Postby wllsp » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:52 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:They could work on assembly lines etc (or maybe again it is also too atractive job for US people ).
(That is what dearest European Union does with my numerous compatriots these days).

Calm down, calm down. In 90's unemployment is Poland
was roughly about 15 per cent. That is likely to be the main reason why so many your compatriots do this sort of work. Unfortunately the leaders of your country have failed to provide their citizens with lots of decent jobs. Consequently a significant number of Polish citizens just was made to agree to work on assembly lines. Do you still blame the EU for that?

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Re: hmmm

Postby wllsp » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:57 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:But I have read something new:
Bush signs US-Mexico border fence bill


OK, good idea. He should've done that long time ago.

fadi

Postby fadi » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:46 pm

danyet wrote:I don't know. I do not like the wall because it can be used to keep people in USA. Like a jail!


and what about the israli wall in west bank(PALISTINE)

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finding guilty...

Postby LadyMacbeth » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:22 pm

Hi:)
Consequently a significant number of Polish citizens just was made to agree to work on assembly lines. Do you still blame the EU for that?


No. I am not looking for a scapegoat. Believe me.
I am just ...stunned why I am living among people who have so little self esteem. Why do they have such problems with self-cofidence? Maybe they have few reasons to have any? I am not sure.

Well... some things are rather sure - no doubt. There is no celebrity cult in my society and I am a very specific person who has a lot of stupid problems here and rather hard life, believe me.
Maybe it's because I am just trying to be honest and I think neither low about myself nor high about other people when I really cannot see any special reaosns to think this way. I mean - I don't like licking boots. I think it is a nonsense so I would like to be among people who want to live the same way. Or least to be left alone in my thinking but no. That's the saddest thing to me - but no... :(

That's why Polish people agree to be treated beadly. Because they have strange idea that things outside are better than ours own and that people outside will help them. Of course it is a nonsense.
They will only use our weak points to make us dead even sooner. It is just life. But problem in my country is that animals here are wiser than Polish MP's who think EU is kind of everlasting charity-lamb or what. Besides they aren't able to take the money they can be given. They have no idea of how the world goes/how EU goes. The only idea they have are taxes they need to be paid ok. Besides they know nothing and don't have any need to know more what worse- they simply thrive without it :(

Well.. that's all I can say cause I don't want to make laugh here of anyone. I think I have written here enough to prove I am right:(.

Here and in life too. I don't want to feel worse. I don't feel. When others do - their right. But for me, I am not worse than many other people. Not so rich, of course, but not worse my God. And though I think Alps are the best mountains all over Europe - I know where I am from too.

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Postby wllsp » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:41 pm

fadi wrote:and what about the israli wall in west bank(PALISTINE)


This wall is a huge problem. But this issue is so controversial and causes such a pain that we'd better talk about other topics. Otherwise this topic is doomed to be locked.


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