LadyMacbeth wrote:Another thing is that Eastern Europe has been totally industrially destroyed since the end of communism.
Switzerland is a country of banks thus they want to be far from all political influences. Many people around the world leave money in their banks - they could be scared of being persecuted in case of any political drifts.
Thus we conclude that being apolitical is also an element of politics :wink:
But noone never knows where some discussions can lead us to... :wink:
Yeah, there must be big problems since the end of communism. But don't you think the outlook to become part of the EU could give to those countries a strong incentive to get ahead in their economics, possibility of education, social matters etc? I don't know a lot about the eastern countries, but as far as I know the baltic countries really made a great development in all of those issues in a very short period of time, and they had communism, too. Or Turkey, they want to become part of the EU very badly and it's incredible like they increased their economics in only a few years. They are really interested in getting their things done. And the EU of course can benefit from those increases, too. I think it's a great thing the EU gives a chance to those countries like they did recently with Romania and Bulgaria.
Specially Europe is great in creating unique, familiar atmoshere whatever they bubble and wherever they bubble their bubbles
Well... noone ever promised Poland would be another Switzerland one day. Though in facts more and more banks have being raised recently. Unlike in Switzerland and other western countries.
If we don't change this thinking we will never change anything here cause people who rule impose many things on society here and they have only one aim in it - their own money.
Dear LadyMacbeth, what are you expecting of the EU and the western countries to do? You're accusing but as far as I can recognize you don't bring up any solutions, either? Perhaps there are no quick solutions? Of course it is all about money, in the economy and the politics everything is about money. Of course the countries of the EU are all looking for their own sake, but "sake" in this discussion means a well working economy. Look, when the eastern countries develop and improve their economy and the people begin to have more money, this is also in the interest of the EU, because they can export and sell their own products in those countries too, as an example. It is simply not true to say the EU is just looking for cheap labour force, this would not help them at all!
The English court is no longer in control of it's own judgements... everybody goes to the European Court for a higher judgement... making everything longer and more beaurocratic.
If Poland is in such a bad state as you say, then people will take advantage of Poland anyway! So Poland will lose out, if they're in the EU or out of it.
Being in has some advantages. There are initiatives to promote education and health.
I'd like Britain to remain British.
LadyMacbeth wrote:Is joing EU its biggest success? So what is its biggest failure and how to solve it? Unemployment? Emigration the only solution? It sounds like...
LadyMacbeth wrote:So if the only solution for me is leaving MY country to have money to live so in fact I don't live in any country at all and thus - consequently - I can refuse going into any national voting when my capital is in Brussel nowadays and it is the biggest success of my country in this decade at least
Well, to me it looks like a big success for your country. Take a look at Turkey. It wants to become a member of EU but EU still is not ready for this. So, anyway, it seems to be good at least for your country. And also it's clear that you have not yet benefited from joining EU.
Of course it's great if one finds a job at home. However it's OK at least to have an opportunity to work in other European countres.
LadyMacbeth wrote:Well... somehow it seem to me that things are more about illusion of success than about any real success.
LadyMacbeth wrote:I think Poland is a kind of easter barrier/safety bufor for EU community that is scared of powerful Russia
LadyMacbeth wrote:I think EU will not be ready for a long time to take them into their God chosen community unless....
LadyMacbeth wrote:But to leave in order to get a job that you could do in your country for better money or (what is the most frequent these days) doing worse job that you could do in your country having your skills for better money that you could earn for doing more sklled job in your country... hmmm.... does it make any sense?
Who is blame for it?
I perfectly understand that their first jobs might be not ones they had dreamed of, but they agreed to do them probably because they think it was just the first step in the right direction. Ten years ago I was ready to do the same because we had rather bad economic situation here in Russia. However I had no right to work in EU and as result I had a lot of difficulties in finding a job abroad. So I still think that becoming a member of EU is good to many Polish people.
LadyMacbeth wrote:Why Polish people cannot unite around daily problems and try to fight THEM together instead of fighting against each other.
It sounds like your country has no national ideas which might unite the nation, doesn't it? Interestingly I can't say here in Russia we have sort of this. But there were lot of them back in the time of the USSR. And I feel that many of them were false. So I feel it's not a bad idea not to care a lot about having or not having things that can unite a nation.
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