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Re: ps. petty correction:)

Postby MissLT » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:40 am

LadyMacbeth wrote:Saint people rather choose poverty than richness cause then they can concentrate much more on spiritual aspect of life.

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Saint people wouldn't have the love that we have, the love for the opposite sex. What they have is the love for humanity and/or God. We have our love for our partner. It's different. That's why Jane and St. John were different. He saw marriage as a way to serve God; she saw it as a way to show you much she loved her future spouse.

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well...

Postby LadyMacbeth » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:59 am

In this place I would like to come back to one earlier Dixie's letter in that thread that contained a point about pronunciation and not only.

2) Jane's name: Eyre. It is pronounced like "air", "heir"... According to my professor, it can have different meanings. I think Jane is the heiress of something in the end, right? I really should read it again...


For me Eyre was more like "EYE" at the first sight but in fact the pronunciation goes more about "HEIR", "AIR".

So once again - at the end of the book she was rich and found Rochester who was blind.

If she was poor she would probably have gone to India and forgot about rich, blind, bigamist -Rochester.
She could be saint nurse of hundreds but she became a Rochester's nurse.

I know very little about St John from my READER level 2. Maybe simply Jane Eyre didn't like the idea of travelling to India when she could live in a nice mansion with Rochester. Maybe Rochester seemed to her to be more sexually attractive?
:roll:
Well... personally I would put the stress on this HEIR-like pronunciation.
However still "Jane Eyre" is a masterpiece of world literature and such books have infinitive possibilities of interpretation.
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Postby MissLT » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:11 am

I see the reason of her coming back in a different way. I think she could hear his voice calling her in the wind (her heart was screaming for his love). She heard about his news, and now it was her turn to show her love for him by taking him as who he was, blind and poor. She wanted to be his eyes guiding him from that moment on.

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hmmm

Postby LadyMacbeth » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:34 am

I think she could hear his voice calling her in the wind (her heart was screaming for his love).


Well.. Lennye - I wish it could be truth. Can it be however? Maybe - she was younger and deaf about the fact he was a common cheater without any idea of what honor is:(.

On the other side Jane Eyre can also sound a bit like Jane "Weird" (Jane "EYE" was my first idea reading "EYRE" about the title of this book). Because she was bit weird. She preferd to go to boarding schools and to other people instead of staying with her distant family. She was very young then. She surely didn't have happy childhood.

PS. But Jane Eyre can also look like Jane "TYRE" nowadays. To what new interpretation can lead us this idea? That Jane Eyre didn't have any carriage and had to walk on foot to look for Rochester or to leave his house? Remember that she took a coach when leaving Rochester but finally was left on the moor cause she didn't have money. So maybe another book about Jane "TYRE"?
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Re: hmmm

Postby MissLT » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:41 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
I think she could hear his voice calling her in the wind (her heart was screaming for his love).


Well.. Lennye - I wish it could be truth. Can it be however? Maybe - she was younger and deaf about the fact he was a common cheater without any idea of what honor is:(.

It's up to how you interpret it. To me it was a figure of speech of the heart wants what it wants, and in this paragraph, she wanted to be with him.

Anyway, the last chapter XXXVIII (38, I believe) of her life were interesting to read. It summed up everything that she was supposed to have during childhood life, but now she gained it through other means in adult life.

LadyMacbeth wrote:On the other side Jane Eyre can also sound a bit like Jane "Weird" (Jane "EYE" was my first idea reading "EYRE" about the title of this book). Because she was bit weird. She preferd to go to boarding schools and to other people instead of staying with her distant family. She was very young then. She surely didn't have happy childhood.

Young, stubborn, and didn't have much love. Her aunt didn't treat her like her own child, which she went against the will. :roll:

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hello again:)

Postby LadyMacbeth » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:27 pm

It's up to how you interpret it.


Exactedly! I will reread with attention the last chapter of this book in original version.
However I have to admit I really like my idea of Jane Tyre. Why? Because she got out of the coach on the moors (without her bag that was left inside) cause she didn't have money to pay for! Thus she met her cousins that she had to pay some money of the will she inherited. Otherwise she didn't have to divide it with anyone and in her life was noone but Rochester who was worthy of thinking about him.

When she found him at last (he went to him by coach again) he was blind and without one hand. Thus he was quite OK to marry Jane and be happy with her.

or I don't know...

Young, stubborn, and didn't have much love.


Well.. actually I found the part with voices calling Jane across the moor. In fact - there is something like in the book. I wonder, however, if it is probably. But yes - it is. Blind, crippled, poor Rochester calling for Jane Eyre across the moor.

Whom you would chose Lennye - if I can ask you?
St John or Rochester?
Or ...someone/something else. For example lonely travel to India?

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Re: hello again:)

Postby MissLT » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:02 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
Whom you would chose Lennye - if I can ask you?
St John or Rochester?
Or ...someone/something else. For example lonely travel to India?

Of course, I'd pick Rochester. I would pick him over St. John in any day of the week, that's for sure.

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hmmm

Postby LadyMacbeth » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:28 am

I am not so sure. As deals "Jane Eyre" I would travel to India on my own. In my level 2 is very little about St John. Anyway in my country women rather cannot marry clergymen and the last are rather rich. I mean surely richer than protestant clergymen. But catholics have also better churches. I mean richer churches. Protestants took away all things from churches into their homes. I don't like protestant churches at all.
And this Rochester... bigamist with a child whose real story he tried to hide from his future wife... oh - in my age I would surely go into India on my own.
I would have very few hopes that Rochester will be a good man in future. Specially when he will recover.

You know - he should have divorced the mad woman in the attic when he never loved her. It would be probably more honest than keeping her in cage instaed of trying to treat.

Thus she tried to make him dead so many times. And she was right I think. And at last she ruined his beautiful house.

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Re: hmmm

Postby MissLT » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:45 am

LadyMacbeth wrote:I am not so sure. As deals "Jane Eyre" I would travel to India on my own.

India trip was up in the air only because John wanted to go there, and he wanted her to go with him, not as a sister or cousin but as his wife. She had to travel on the mission with his as his wife or stay home, no other choice.

LadyMacbeth wrote: In my level 2 is very little about St John.

What's the big difference between the original work and the level you're reading? I think your English is well enough to read the original work. You should give it a try. :wink:

LadyMacbeth wrote:oh - in my age I would surely go into India on my own.

You should. My grandma's friend went there and she loved it. She said the country was soooooo beautiful and different. It's nothing like a Third World country, and yet it's nothing like a Westernized country. The people are religious but humble. The food is great. Okay, I think I should stop before I sound like I've been there already :lol: :lol: .

LadyMacbeth wrote:I would have very few hopes that Rochester will be a good man in future. Specially when he will recover.

To me, he was the same man before and after he got blind and handicapped, his love for her stayed the same.

LadyMacbeth wrote:You know - he should have divorced the mad woman in the attic when he never loved her. It would be probably more honest than keeping her in cage instaed of trying to treat.

This story happened in the 18 century, you know. I believe at that time people still didn't really recognize divorce. I mean, up till now the Catholic Church still doesn't really recognize divorce. My boyfriend's mom has been divorced with his dad for years, but she still carries his last name and didn't bother to change back to her maiden last name. I asked him why, and he told me she got used to it. Besides, even though they're are divorced, but under God, they're still one, he said.

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money

Postby LadyMacbeth » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:15 pm

She had to travel on the mission with his as his wife or stay home, no other choice.


But later she inherited some money so she could go there on her own as I think. If she wanted. 20 thousand pounds were enough to pay for that travel.

I think your English is well enough to read full version. You should give it a try.

My English depends on many factors et. hurry, time of day, general mood, level of concentration and attention. If these al elements work well - my English is civil. If now - it is bit...horrible:)
Like...a story about Count Dracula from Transylvania:)

The people are religious but humble. The food is great.


Many English books have Hindu plots. But very few things about religion there. And about Hindu food too!:(

To me, he was the same man before and after he got blind and handicapped, his love for her stayed the same.


Yes - but first he had had to take off the mask/the disguise he liked. All in all it was easy cause everyone could see he was blind and without one hand. Isn't it a symbolic situation somehow?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

My boyfriend's mom has been divorced with his dad for years, but she still carries his last name and didn't bother to change back to her maiden last name.


I would change it back. Though I am not sure. If she had loved him she hadn't chnaged it. Doesn't it look like this?

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Re: money

Postby MissLT » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:58 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:But later she inherited some money so she could go there on her own as I think. If she wanted. 20 thousand pounds were enough to pay for that travel.

Yeah, you can say that, but I don't really bother to go into that much detail. I mean, if that was the case, I might as well think how she intimated with a blind man and crippled hannds because the author said they had a child afterwards. :lol: :lol:

LadyMacbeth wrote:My English depends on many factors et. hurry, time of day, general mood, level of concentration and attention. If these al elements work well - my English is civil. If now - it is bit...horrible:)
Like...a story about Count Dracula from Transylvania:)

If you could beat these distractions, I think you should give it a try. Trust me, your English is well enough to comprehend the original one.

LadyMacbeth wrote:Many English books have Hindu plots. But very few things about religion there. And about Hindu food too!:(

I also haven't read anything that really talks about India except a mention of it. For example, a trip to India like in this novel; that's it, nothing else. Maybe I'll check it with the librarian to see what she would recommend. I'll tell you about it if it turns out nice.

LadyMacbeth wrote:Yes - but first he had had to take off the mask/the disguise he liked. All in all it was easy cause everyone could see he was blind and without one hand. Isn't it a symbolic situation somehow?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes, it is. He was cruel to his own wife if you judge him based on today's standards. However, he did try to save her when she was trying to kill him, which proved he did not love her, yet he cared about her as a human being. Can't you give him some credits for this act?

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well...

Postby LadyMacbeth » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:59 pm

I mean, if that was the case, I might as well think how she intimated with a blind man and crippled hannds because the author said they had a child afterwards.


As you can see Lennye love is really a blind feeling. He had cheated her, had hidden so many things in front of her and she still loved him... I know it so good but... it doesn't make any sense to me any longer I am afraid:(

Trust me, your English is well enough to comprehend the original one.


Of I only had more time...:)

I also haven't read anything that really talks about India except a mention of it.


Well.. it would be necessary to read some guide books to know more about India. In British books we can mostly read that someone comes back from India and that someone...died in India thus another person comes back. Or that someone died in GB thus another person is leaving for India etc. So India sounds like a place of something final. But I don't know of what...:(

However, he did try to save her when she was trying to kill him, which proved he did not love her, yet he cared about her as a human being.


I think he should have placed her into mental asylum so he could have avoided many attempts of murder and other aggresions. However he didn't do it. Why?
Did he care about her really? Or rather he was scared of her family-lawyers?
We should have asked him probably...:(

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Re: well...

Postby MissLT » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:02 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
As you can see Lennye love is really a blind feeling. He had cheated her, had hidden so many things in front of her and she still loved him... I know it so good but... it doesn't make any sense to me any longer I am afraid:(

:cry: It is, indeed. We often want people we can't have, or we are not satisfied with our current love life, always look for more. In addtions, we thnk we should share everything if we love each other, even the deepest secret. Well, this is how I thought. However, now I just don't care if my loved one doesn't tell me about his past. Maybe this sounds stupid because someone's past is a past, but it's still who they were before who they are now or who they've been. For some reason I just don't care about it anymore. If he wants to tell me, it's fine. Otherwise, I don't bother to ask.

LadyMacbeth wrote:I think he should have placed her into mental asylum so he could have avoided many attempts of murder and other aggresions. However he didn't do it. Why?
Did he care about her really? Or rather he was scared of her family-lawyers?
We should have asked him probably...:(

He was in the upper class group. I don't think he would let others know that he had a crazy wife. I think it'd be an embarrassment during that century.

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hmmm

Postby LadyMacbeth » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:36 pm

However, now I just don't care if my loved one doesn't tell me about his past. Maybe this sounds stupid because someone's past is a past, but it's still who they were before who they are now or who they've been. For some reason I just don't care about it anymore. If he wants to tell me, it's fine. Otherwise, I don't bother to ask.


I think it depends on hat he hides and why and on many other things like that. Personally I would feel definitely offended and humiliated by the fact that some wouldnot have bothered to tell me that he had a wife in the attic. It would be something unforgivable to me. Probably you never found yourself in situation when someone who says that he loves you tells you that he has a child with Chilian singer but noone knows about it - neither his kids nor his first wife.
I claim it is very difficult to accept that someone is a bastard but better to cry a bit and have a clear future than plenty of eternal illusions about another person.
But probably you would choose option number 2.
Fortunatelly I wasn't in love and I kicked this guy so strong that even today I am surprised how fast I was in my only right reaction:)
And I hope that one day I will get my prize for all my right choices in my life full of different choices:)

He was in the upper class group. I don't think he would let others know that he had a crazy wife. I think it'd be an embarrassment during that century.


It was enough that lawyers had known. These little beats know everything - specially when it goes around money. In whole books they are the worst characters.
Lawyers, doctors and..nurses.
The lawyer and her brother - it was enough to prevent Mr Bigamist from his next marriage.

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little correction

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Postby MissLT » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:15 pm

There's a novel of Qiongyao (a Chinese writer) in Chinese that's translated in Vietnamese, which I think sounds similar to Jane Eyre. I think you would like this novel more than Jane Eyre. Let me check around to see what's it called.


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