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Postby Admiral » Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:26 pm

yes, just stay, also here

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Postby tikay » Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:47 am

When i took the lsd as an eighteen year old I had very many issues with bad parts of my childhood...and no thearapy yet so the hallucinations took on a sinister and other-worldly nuance, I suppose. It was very dangerous to me. I could not sleep at all or eat at all, nothing for two months and I was caught in a very strange world, between reality and science fiction...as i have indicated...let this be a warning to those who may go to similar places...you will never be the same. I did not know, for example that(i was tracey)...trying to stick all those butcher knives into my stomach. I was just exausted with fighting in the war. I was a spiritual warrior, deciding to go to the other rhelms. Needless to say the knives would not pierce my flesh because I held like 8 of them each one was deflecting the other, and being an athlete ...who had not eaten in 2 months, my belly was rock solid.
I was not in my right mind. :oops: I was very tired, lacking sleep and the visions were overwhelming my at every turn. :?

I have come to accept my crazy past...and I don't mind talking it over because I think i have helped many people in certain conversations...besides one day I plan to write about all of it, my life would make at least three books/movies...there has been so much to talk about and share, in it. I plan to share it when I am better at writing and when i have more perspective...I study these phenomenon...now, to help me.
I am a better person today than i was before losing my mind.... & I got it back again, so I am sort of glad for what i experienced (i am not upset to admit it)
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Postby tikay » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:35 pm

Unknownsu wrote:Wow, this is amazing! A guide to committing suicide correctly! Wonderful! Why isn't this a sticky topic?


Very sticky....topic but something important to discuss. if we dont talk about these topics...then are we supposed to pretend they will just go away?

I think that the first post was just very creative writing. a friend showing his talent at wicked humor...and lots and lots of people appreciate different kinds of humor. Maybe he will be the next Edgar Allen Poe, or Tom Robbins...if he ever decides to write seriously.
(which might be a good idea for Admiral)...who knows?
ever consider writing books?

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Postby Admiral » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:59 pm

Noo my grammatical skills are very bad.
And I have very bad grades in school, yeah, I'm a big looser, but don't listen to this.

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Postby tikay » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:40 pm

It is all about the idea anyway there are editors to correct the grammer...you could write if you want to. practically anyone with a constant flow of stories or ideas could write love.
who care about grades anyway if you are smart it just shows, and sometimes the grades are all about kissing the teachers ...
feet anyway. sometimes.

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Postby Desislava » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:03 pm

suicide...is an incredibly funny subject...for me and I have been there!


Where have you been? You mean that you have died and got alive again? Oh my..you just got drugged..from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head. If you really comitted a suicide..you wouldn't be writing now, which would be pity, 'cause your stuff is good. But I don't agree here with you. And one of the effects of LSD is to cause hallucinations..and they look real. But this doesn't mean they really are. Put your feet on the ground and don't think yourself of a ~ prophet.
As to suicide...it may be looked at it from another point of view. For example...it's been part of Japanese code of honour for centuries [if anyone here's from Japan can really explain it..my knowledge is based on J.Clavell's book 'Shogun']. I mean..it is not seen as an escape, but as a way to prove your dignity if you've failed to fulfill something in your life. It is an act of courage.. and the japanese word for commiting the suicide was "harakiri", i think...and in it people use a special knife, which they stick in their stomach and cut it all. It is hard, and painful, and and only a really brave person can do it, so it proves his value. Everyone can take the pills or jump from the top of his apartment block.

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Postby tikay » Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:03 am

Hey! well I am just telling my very american opinion not that every person should agree.
I tried to do it in my weakness and not thinking of others so i see it as selfish even though I know what you are saying.
This is a good thing to debate.

I understand that suicide is having to do with a dignified death...in Japan but pride is different in each country too.

Mine was a horrible experience at the same time as being ecstatic and beautiful at moments.

I was not really drugged, I took the (two lines of Sandoz) myself...drugging myself, because I had been saying NO for three years already...to people who offered it.

I took it at my mothers "dinner party" and she & all her friends were able to come down. I had a different biological make-up and head-space. I would warn those who have traumatic things in the past....that you may find yourself in the same predicament, and wish you had continued to deny yourself that one.
I read shogun many years ago. It is a good book. I think you are right and I did not mean to say my idea was for everyone. iI have many Japanise friends in hawaii.
I tried to kill myself in my youth in various ways many times.
It is sort of Alice in wonderland story.
oh I don't consider myself a teacher...just telling my story in case it is of benefit.

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Postby Desislava » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:24 am

I was not really drugged, I took the (two lines of Sandoz) myself...drugging myself, because I had been saying NO for three years already...to people who offered it


I really can't understand this. I mean..you had hallucinations and you've lost orientation, and you say you've taken the lsd..but in the same time you haven't been drugged...or you just say that it was your choice to get drugged?...but i think it makes no difference whether it is voluntary decision or under the influence of others. Because you've made it after all. And I am a little confused because it seems to me that you accept your hallucionations as something real, that has happened and is part of your life. While in my opinion this was just a product of your mind, influenced by the drug.
I see that you've suffered in your life, and I am sorry. But you should know that bad things happen. Quite often in fact. But imminently they're followed by something good. And it's a matter of patience to visit the small islands of happiness spred among the sea of horror. And remember that we're of the same crew, sailing in one ship. :wink:

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Postby tikay » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:40 pm

How can you say that what I experienced was not real. it was a definate reality at the time...besides all the crazy things that happened are things that are always considerations in the world of science and physics. I have studied it quite a bit and the experience of being a channel of spiritual information is always happening to people the town of Sedona Arizona here in the U.S. is a testament to that. It is full of people who channel and they dont think it is a bunch of horse~ they know it to be truth. Thus when I say that what I went through and fighting in a spiritual warfare Oh I WAS it did happen...it really happened...it happened to me. And although there was much that no one will understand unless they have looked deeply into the esoteric sciences and paranormal...I am a person who since has read up to understand what may have really been going on and all arrows point to the truth of what i was a part of while "hallucinating". If one is so high they lose track of the person they were being behind a veil then does the state they are then in which is very different become a lie or "not truth"? dont know if that is a very good argument but i still believe that what i went through was a reality.
Read up anything about parrellel worlds maybe, to better understand.

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Postby Desislava » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:53 pm

I will, be sure of that. But I will start believing in it when you find a different way to reach this parallel world, because as it is said in the dictionary "LSD usually produces illusions and vivid daydream-like fantasies", have you read this?

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Postby Golfygirl » Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:12 am

tikay wrote:How can you say that what I experienced was not real. it was a definate reality at the time...besides all the crazy things that happened are things that are always considerations in the world of science and physics. I have studied it quite a bit and the experience of being a channel of spiritual information is always happening to people the town of Sedona Arizona here in the U.S. is a testament to that. It is full of people who channel and they dont think it is a bunch of horse~ they know it to be truth. Thus when I say that what I went through and fighting in a spiritual warfare Oh I WAS it did happen...it really happened...it happened to me. And although there was much that no one will understand unless they have looked deeply into the esoteric sciences and paranormal...I am a person who since has read up to understand what may have really been going on and all arrows point to the truth of what i was a part of while "hallucinating". If one is so high they lose track of the person they were being behind a veil then does the state they are then in which is very different become a lie or "not truth"? dont know if that is a very good argument but i still believe that what i went through was a reality.
Read up anything about parrellel worlds maybe, to better understand.


I have a question. When we are a sleep and dream--who is doing the dreaming?

While learning to play golf, my husband taught me a lot about my subconscious. Our subconscious plays a big roll in how we respond to things. Most of the time we aren't even aware of just how much our subconscious plays a major roll in our lives.

On another note about dreams. Sometimes I have dreamed and learned how to do something I never knew how to do. Where does that come from? Sometimes I get inlightenments through dreams. I think thats wonderful.

I am a believer in one God almighty and his son Jesus Christ. I believe that God gives us spiritual guidance.

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Postby tikay » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:45 am

A really good point. The subconcious is a big part of what I was trying to get at, it is the veil of illusion/maya...if that veil is stripped away by methods of soul work and enlightenment techniques, healing and meditation work for instance, one gets tuned in to other levels of the consiousness such as a waking dream.
I was living in the waking dream (so that is a good analogy) my illusions of the one reality we usually inhabit became these (stranger than fiction) other systems of how things do actually work underneath the actual life we like to stay comfortable in.
When a holy person has told one take off the blinders that keep you stuck in that dull reality....I have seen the things that they are talking of.
This does not qualify me as a sage or a prophet, but no one can rob me of the knowledge gained and tell me that is was not a reality....it is a different reality thats all.

Ever see a person having a battle with the clouds....they see something that is really there....it is there on another track...they are tapped in to another level... one should be ever so nice to these fellows, for they may be fighting the battle for you and me, having picked up the ball.... esoteric dance of the ages, and they may be exactly where I was and they may be very important people on a whole other level. of reality
(it gave me a deeper understanding of the Christian concept of any man even the lowliest human could be Jesus...so be good to them).
When I was young I did study the scriptures of the Bible...then I began to study other religions. Maybe that is why my alternate reality was so about the spiritual life, and the battle of good and evil. (which is going on at a subtler level at all times) along with cosmic mischef of all sorts.
I know because I was in it.
Calling me a ~ prophet (wanna be) was not right D.

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Postby Desislava » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:43 am

Ok Golfygirl...next time when you dream that you can fly, and you really have learnt to fly in your dream, please jump off the nearest building to try your knowledge and new abilities.

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Postby Desislava » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:06 am

"LSD is considered an entheogen because it often catalyzes intense spiritual experiences where users feel they have come into contact with a greater spiritual or cosmic order. It is common for users to believe that they have achieved insights into the way the mind works and some users experience permanent or long-lasting changes in their life perspective. Some users consider LSD a religious sacrament, or a powerful tool for access to the divine. Many books have been written comparing the LSD trip to the state of enlightenment of eastern philosophy.

Such experiences under the influence of LSD have been observed and documented by researchers such as Timothy Leary and Stanislav Grof. A brief video documentary of the Good Friday Marsh Chapel Experiment conducted by Walter Pahnke under Leary's supervision (a double blind experiment using volunteers who were students in religious graduate programs, e.g., divinity, theology, etc.) can be viewed here. That study showed that hallucinogens could reliably be used to induce mystical religious states (at least in people with a spiritual predisposition)."
So..this is an extract from Wikipedia. You described such an experience, but please note the last words (that I've boldened). As you have filled your head with all these religious concepts and theories, it's only natural for them to come out in the state you were. Just like in dreams your visions are based on everyday experience, and since yours is reading about religion and other sort of mystics...look at the consequences.
Our discussion is something done for ages, religion vs science, and since even Galileo couldn't prove his rightness against the great followers of God, who am I to argue. :roll:

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Postby Golfygirl » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:19 pm

Desislava wrote:Ok Golfygirl...next time when you dream that you can fly, and you really have learnt to fly in your dream, please jump off the nearest building to try your knowledge and new abilities.


I am drug and alcohol free--thank the good lord for that!
I am not under any allusions about being able to jump safely off a building--thank you very much. :)

Have you ever known a person with skitsophrenia? Or Bipolar mental disorder?

Those individuals are highly intelligent humanbeings. I wonder about people like that. They can retain so much information also. They are very extordinary people if you ask me. They are also kind of like animals in a way that they have a 6th sense. Animals, take dogs for example, know a bad person when they see them. Ever notice how a dog will just bark and bark at some people and will not bark at other people? Well, that is a 6th sense for them.

I believe all humanbeings have "some" of the same abilities as animals. The only difference is, some of us humanbeings stop listening to our inner instincts/sources.

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Postby Desislava » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:45 pm

The thing I said was an example. To show you that dreams are not real, and some things that happen in them are just not possible - they're only a product of our mind.
I could not really get the point about the 6th sense. Perhaps you wanted to say that I am evil? Yet it seems that dogs do not support your opinion, because the only thing they do is shake their tales when I'm near them. :wink:

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Postby Admiral » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:34 pm

Yes you are right. Being realistic is always good.
“Show me the heart unfettered by foolish dreams. And I’ll show you a happy man.” (Tennyson)

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On science vs. religous

Postby tikay » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:04 pm

The very idea of science versus religeon is old thinking...watch the documentary/movie on this titled "What the bleep do we know" for a look into how they are getting into more and more actual agreements on how things work. It is science this religious thinking it is a dynamic flow of information about the laws of this universe. They include not exclude the spiritual honey. It is a spiritual world if you dont like it why dont you at least leave alone people who appreciate that
In other words insted of being mean and cruel to my pal Golfygirl (suggesting she kill herself) come on!
try looking up more than a definition of acid, geez.
you are good at poetry maybe you should write more of that...where we come from we are taught to be respectful but only until someone treats us with that kind of disrespect!
It was another low blow...do you really even believe the things you say are true...about being scientific over the spiritual?
Or do you just want a good battle?

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Postby Golfygirl » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:22 am

Desislava wrote:The thing I said was an example. To show you that dreams are not real, and some things that happen in them are just not possible - they're only a product of our mind.
I could not really get the point about the 6th sense. Perhaps you wanted to say that I am evil? Yet it seems that dogs do not support your opinion, because the only thing they do is shake their tales when I'm near them. :wink:


I am not saying you are evil. I am saying that we all have internal instincts/intuitions. Some of us are able to tap into those internal instincts/intuitions. Some of us are willing to admit that internal instincts/intuitions exsist in all of us.

I'm sorry for not answering sooner but I had to go fill out paper work for a brand new 3rd job.

I have another question for you Desislava. What does it mean when the dogs wag their tail as a result of being in your presence?

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Postby Golfygirl » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:29 am

Admiral wrote:Yes you are right. Being realistic is always good.
“Show me the heart unfettered by foolish dreams. And I’ll show you a happy man.” (Tennyson)


A really good book to read is called "One". Its written by Richard Bach. Have any of ya'll read that book?

Love the pink lipstick Tikay. I am plain and simple. No make up. No hairspray--just plain and simple is me :)

My husband says he's square. He also says he's dull. My husband is contrary in a lot of ways to what he says. :lol:

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Postby Desislava » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:30 am

But Golfygirl...you got me a little confused. We were talking about...ahmm...tikay's adventures...and now you changed it to this intuition and stuff. I do not deny their presence, and you're right that some people feel it more or less, and sometimes listen to it or don't. But I suppose that's something left by the evolution :wink: Being a monkey in the jungle wouldn't be easy..with all those huge animals looking to eat you...not that we don't live in the same jungle today, only called civilisation :P
I personally have a really strong intuition. :lol: For example, today I made some coffee and took my favourite black cup..to pour some in it..and I knew that somehow I will break it this morning and I unconsciously dropped it :!: Oh..or perhaps I was just so busy thinking that I will break it that I forgot that I was holding it :?:
Anyway, it was a great cup :(


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